Who decides how much we can spend on a new coach ?

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volfanhill

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Is Hart given a number and told that's his maximum? Or does he decide how much he wants to spend out of the current AD budget? Curious because I have read a lot of people being critical of Hart not willing to spend what it will take to get a proven winner here. In actuality it may not be his decision. Anyone know for sure?
 
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The budget dictates everything. And sadly, what the football coach makes factors in as well.
 
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volfanhill said:
Is Hart given a number and told that's his maximum? Or does he decide how much he wants to spend out of the current AD budget? Curious because I have read a lot of people being critical of Hart not willing to spend what it will take to get a proven winner here. In actuality it may not be his decision. Anyone know for sure?
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My guess is that you want the basketball program to be self sufficient and earn enough money to pay for itself and not have to borrow from the football program to pay the basketball coach.

Just a guess!!!


If the basketball program generates $13,000,000 per year and after equipment expenses, travel expenses and food, you only have $4,000,000 to pay your full basketball staff, then you would not be wise to over pay the coach.

Also, you don't want to pay your basketball coach more or equal to what the football coach earns.

So, I would guess that those factors come in to play.
 
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Rudy123 said:
My guess is that you want the basketball program to be self sufficient and earn enough money to pay for itself and not have to borrow from the football program to pay the basketball coach.

Just a guess!!!


If the basketball program generates $13,000,000 per year and after equipment expenses, travel expenses and food, you only have $4,000,000 to pay your full basketball staff, then you would not be wise to over pay the coach.

Also, you don't want to pay your basketball coach more or equal to what the football coach earns.

So, I would guess that those factors come in to play.
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I understand but, next year we will be Nike. Don't all the athletics departments get free Nike equipment (Basketball, Football, etc) and I thought Nike will give Tennessee so much money for us moving over to Nike. I know UTs budget is bad with upgrading things such as TBA, the new football complex. But next year it should be in great shape.
 
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rickyyrs said:
I understand but, next year we will be Nike. Don't all the athletics departments get free Nike equipment (Basketball, Football, etc) and I thought Nike will give Tennessee so much money for us moving over to Nike. I know UTs budget is bad with upgrading things such as TBA, the new football complex. But next year it should be in great shape.
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We got plenty of free stuff and money from Adidas. Nike money doesn't make up for the hole UT is in
 
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Just put it this way Tennessee is a bunch of cheap asses and was lucky hiring Bruce and hopefully Butch. It's like Tennessee thinks they can find a diamond in a pile of coal. I wished Tennessee would try to find quality and not quantity. It normally bites us in the butt buying out contracts and lucky we did not buyout Martin's.
 
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The Board of Trustee's has almost assuredly given Hart a budget to work with based on tier of the hire. If the reports are true he contacted "A" listers, it's likely he had approval to spend for them.

As for pay restrictions, we're just lucky the Pat Summitt pay scale is done. At one time the mens coach wasn't allowed to make more than her, and that was just a few years ago.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The Board of Trustee's has almost assuredly given Hart a budget to work with based on tier of the hire. If the reports are true he contacted "A" listers, it's likely he had approval to spend for them.

As for pay restrictions, we're just lucky the Pat Summitt pay scale is done. At one time the mens coach wasn't allowed to make more than her, and that was just a few years ago.
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I agree. If Hart had interest in the job from a top caliber coach and his salary demands were reasonable, IMO Hart hires him. The thing I like about Hart is it seems he will not pay some crazy salary demands, just to get "his guy" or who the fans are screaming for. The man looks to have UT's best interest long term on his mind.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree. If Hart had interest in the job from a top caliber coach and his salary demands were reasonable, IMO Hart hires him. The thing I like about Hart is it seems he will not pay some crazy salary demands, just to get "his guy" or who the fans are screaming for. The man looks to have UT's best interest long term on his mind.
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Read another report this morning from about the 5th person saying Marshall would've listened at $2.7m, and wanted a good chunk of money for his assistants. The talks ended there.

I don't know what Hart thinks the going rate is for a final four level coach, but I will just about guarantee someone's gonna hire that guy and pay his asking price. If Hart is serious about basketball, and wants a proven winner, why not spend that?
 
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In my opinion it would be money spent wisely to maybe over extend the budget a little to get a coach that would create a buzz with the fans and potential recruits rather than hiring a budget friendly coach that every one is like, ok we will see how he does. You would most likely get a quicker return on you investment.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Read another report this morning from about the 5th person saying Marshall would've listened at $2.7m, and wanted a good chunk of money for his assistants. The talks ended there.

I don't know what Hart thinks the going rate is for a final four level coach, but I will just about guarantee someone's gonna hire that guy and pay his asking price. If Hart is serious about basketball, and wants a proven winner, why not spend that?
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I guess I don't see Marshall as a sure thing like some do. I'm also not sure 2.7 would do it. I get that ALOT of people claim it would, but it's talk and speculation. UT offers 2.7 then WS comes back and says they can pay him 2.2-2.3 and then he is not listening to UT again. IF Hart actually spoke to Marshall about the job and $$, it would seem Hart is not sold on him being worth the $$ he is asking for. It's his job to make those decisions.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I guess I don't see Marshall as a sure thing like some do. I'm also not sure 2.7 would do it. I get that ALOT of people claim it would, but it's talk and speculation. UT offers 2.7 then WS comes back and says they can pay him 2.2-2.3 and then he is not listening to UT again. IF Hart actually spoke to Marshall about the job and $$, it would seem Hart is not sold on him being worth the $$ he is asking for. It's his job to make those decisions.
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Like I've said, I'll see how this plays out and will make my judgment on Hart. If we miss on White because he wants to save $1m on a POSSIBLE buyout in year 4, and then goes out and hires Tyndall at $1.5m I'll be Smh
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I've said, I'll see how this plays out and will make my judgment on Hart. If we miss on White because he wants to save $1m on a POSSIBLE buyout in year 4, and then goes out and hires Tyndall at $1.5m I'll be Smh
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I have said I see White and Tyndall as very similar options. If Hart likes the terms of the deal with one over the other, I don't see an issue. Small details in a contract over 4-6 years can mean lots and lots of money.
 
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Wilson27 said:
A secret committee of really old white guys.
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I have said I see White and Tyndall as very similar options. If Hart likes the terms of the deal with one over the other, I don't see an issue. Small details in a contract over 4-6 years can mean lots and lots of money.
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Exactly why I said what I did. White is rumored to be around $1.3, if he has to pay Tyndall $1.5m....over 5 years that's $1m that he didn't wanna give to White ON THE CHANCE that he was fired. Shouldn't Hart trust his abilities to evaluate coaches a bit more and not worry so much about a buyout if he has to fire him?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Exactly why I said what I did. White is rumored to be around $1.3, if he has to pay Tyndall $1.5m....over 5 years that's $1m that he didn't wanna give to White ON THE CHANCE that he was fired. Shouldn't Hart trust his abilities to evaluate coaches a bit more and not worry so much about a buyout if he has to fire him?
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IMO when your hiring an "up and comer" type coach, the AD is taking just about all the risk. Also if Tyndall were hired at 1.5 and still here in year 4, he would be winning at a pretty good clip IMO.

Who knows, Tyndall may be asking the same type of money White is. Maybe Tyndall wants the job and would not be looking for as big of a buyout. If I'm Hart and I see them as similar or White as option a and Tyndall option b, I'm not going to give in to every demand when I know my backup guy is ready to sign and it's much more attractive to the bottom line.

Lots of speculation as with any search. We'll see what happens.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO when your hiring an "up and comer" type coach, the AD is taking just about all the risk. Also if Tyndall were hired at 1.5 and still here in year 4, he would be winning at a pretty good clip IMO.

Who knows, Tyndall may be asking the same type of money White is. Maybe Tyndall wants the job and would not be looking for as big of a buyout. If I'm Hart and I see them as similar or White as option a and Tyndall option b, I'm not going to give in to every demand when I know my backup guy is ready to sign and it's much more attractive to the bottom line.

Lots of speculation as with any search. We'll see what happens.
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If that's the case that he views both as about equal, and Tyndall's willing to come for less money and less buyout....then Hart is an idiot if it's true he's been trying to get this to work for the last going on 5 days.

After he made his initial pitch to White and White declined he should've moved on. Staying stuck on the same guy for 96+ hours, assuming that's true, tells me Hart doesn't view the 2 as equal.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If that's the case that he views both as about equal, and Tyndall's willing to come for less money and less buyout....then Hart is an idiot if it's true he's been trying to get this to work for the last going on 5 days.

After he made his initial pitch to White and White declined he should've moved on. Staying stuck on the same guy for 96+ hours, assuming that's true, tells me Hart doesn't view the 2 as equal.
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How do we know Hart has not been negotiating with both the whole time? If I'm an AD, more options mean I have a better chance to get the best bang for my buck.
 
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