Who actually calls the plays?

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When Butch hired DeBord, it felt like he wasn't willing to give up his offensive philosophy. So he hired someone that understands or shares same offensive ideas.

But my question is, does CBJ ever call plays?

If not, maybe we should have Co-Coordinators. A rushing specialist and a passing specialist.

Our rushing attack is our strength. Maybe we need to change our direction in the way we call passing plays.
 
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Didn't Kerbyson (sp?) say that Dobbs made a good portion of the calls on the field? It was on that local sunday morning football show.
 
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Well you cannot rush if you cannot pass the ball..hard to rush against a loaded box..we need more downfield passing to open the rush up...under neath stuff does not cut it..we need passes of 20 plus yards downfield to open up the run game..even if they are incomplete...teams need to know we will go deep if need be...GBO
 
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Dougie_D said:
When Butch hired DeBord, it felt like he wasn't willing to give up his offensive philosophy. So he hired someone that understands or shares same offensive ideas.

But my question is, does CBJ ever call plays?

If not, maybe we should have Co-Coordinators. A rushing specialist and a passing specialist.

Our rushing attack is our strength. Maybe we need to change our direction in the way we call passing plays.
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Butch certainly (like any head coach) has input or veto power over any calls, offensive or defensive. But the coordinators generally call the plays. On time out situations or between series. CBJ is likely to suggest play calling changes, go more run or more pass in next series.

Dobbs has options to check out of plays but play changes also happen when the team looks to sideline after lining up in formation.

If you think play calling is a problem adding another coordinator to help play calls is even more complex and creates more disagreement IMO
 
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jctenn1 said:
Well you cannot rush if you cannot pass the ball..hard to rush against a loaded box..we need more downfield passing to open the rush up...under neath stuff does not cut it..we need passes of 20 plus yards downfield to open up the run game..even if they are incomplete...teams need to know we will go deep if need be...GBO
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Hard to throw 20 yards down the field in 1.3 seconds also. :)
 
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Dougie_D said:
Our rushing attack is our strength. Maybe we need to change our direction in the way we call passing plays.
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FWIW, Azzanni is our passing game coordinator.

By pretty much any metric you look at, our running game this year is lagging behind our passing game. We're currently 93rd nationally and 12th in the SEC in yards per rush at just 3.98.
 
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If Peyton Manning was offensive coordinator we would still be trying to find something wrong and criticize..I think all coaches are the best they can with the talent we have and all the injuries...When we lose we bad mouth coaches..When we WIN we bad mouth coaches...when do we give credit??????? GBO I support you all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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LWSVOL said:
Butch certainly (like any head coach) has input or veto power over any calls, offensive or defensive. But the coordinators generally call the plays. On time out situations or between series. CBJ is likely to suggest play calling changes, go more run or more pass in next series.

Dobbs has options to check out of plays but play changes also happen when the team looks to sideline after lining up in formation.

If you think play calling is a problem adding another coordinator to help play calls is even more complex and creates more disagreement IMO
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Are there any teams our there with current "co-coordinators" that are doing well? I agree it might be more complex, but I really feel like our offense can be WAY better than it is right now.
 
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kamoshika said:
FWIW, Azzanni is our passing game coordinator.

By pretty much any metric you look at, our running game this year is lagging behind our passing game. We're currently 93rd nationally and 12th in the SEC in yards per rush at just 3.98.
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What does a "passing game coordinator" do?
 
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Dougie_D said:
Are there any teams our there with current "co-coordinators" that are doing well? I agree it might be more complex, but I really feel like our offense can be WAY better than it is right now.
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I think TCU and Baylor use co-coordinators. TCU is down a little this year, but both of those teams have performed well offensively over the past 5 years or so. Defensively is another issue with those teams though.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Are there any teams our there with current "co-coordinators" that are doing well? I agree it might be more complex, but I really feel like our offense can be WAY better than it is right now.
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I may be wrong but I thought Clemson had co-coordinator's.
 
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I don't think a whole lot of people understand that most of the game plan (play calling etc) is done during the week in an office setting with the entire offensive staff...of course that can change as the game ebbs and flows (and those are built into the game plan as well). And by the comments on here about our defense (which like the offense and been decimated by key injuries which greatly effect the game plan) many thought when Shoop came in he had a lock down, give no yards, give no points kinda ole style in the 70's type of defense and that WAS NEVER THE CASE. Coach Shoop in his own words has said his defense is designed to hold the opponent so that the offense can score just enough points to win...So the answer to the original question.."Who calls the plays?"...Its a group effort with the OC leading the way. As far as Dobbs calling plays....He has a RPO on most play designs that aren't downfield and depending on where the defense sets up and which gaps or holes are "open" and how penetration goes JD has a RPO....For those here who understand X and O better than me, I know that's extremely simplistic...
 
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Dougie_D said:
Are there any teams our there with current "co-coordinators" that are doing well? I agree it might be more complex, but I really feel like our offense can be WAY better than it is right now.
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Don't know. generally you find that with two young coordinators. where both are maybe first time.

Azzanni is passing game coordinator in name only. prepares him for escalation to full time coordinator
 
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tennrich1 said:
I don't think a whole lot of people understand that most of the game plan (play calling etc) is done during the week in an office setting with the entire offensive staff...of course that can change as the game ebbs and flows (and those are built into the game plan as well). And by the comments on here about our defense (which like the offense and been decimated by key injuries which greatly effect the game plan) many thought when Shoop came in he had a lock down, give no yards, give no points kinda ole style in the 70's type of defense and that WAS NEVER THE CASE. Coach Shoop in his own words has said his defense is designed to hold the opponent so that the offense can score just enough points to win...So the answer to the original question.."Who calls the plays?"...Its a group effort with the OC leading the way. As far as Dobbs calling plays....He has a RPO on most play designs that aren't downfield and depending on where the defense sets up and which gaps or holes are "open" and how penetration goes JD has a RPO....For those here who understand X and O better than me, I know that's extremely simplistic...
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So basically what your saying is that the entire offensive staff is responsible for the game planning ( calling plays) that where so predictable and repetitive that even a good high school team can understand and defend. On 1st downs Hurd ran the same play for 2 & 1/2 quarters. Only once did it gain more than 2 yards. Middle ways in the first quarter he went for 12 yards. The other 12 times they ran that play they only ran from just over 14 yards. They put alot of thought into that game plan.
 
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So it's really more that our staff always has a bad game plan and then they have to adjust on the fly?

But if the OC is leading the way at these meetings, why can't we just pick a new leader. Please!?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Hard to throw 20 yards down the field in 1.3 seconds also. :)
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I see this thought a LOT on here. Go watch the Bowling Green game from last year. Three step drop and the BG quarterback dropped dimes on us the entire game. When press coverage is being played with limited safety help over the top, and large/fast receivers I will take my chances all day long. We should have thrown 7-10 downfield passes against Bama. My guess is we'd have completed a few........
 
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kamoshika said:
FWIW, Azzanni is our passing game coordinator.

By pretty much any metric you look at, our running game this year is lagging behind our passing game. We're currently 93rd nationally and 12th in the SEC in yards per rush at just 3.98.
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But he does not call the plays.
 
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Dougie_D said:
So it's really more that our staff always has a bad game plan and then they have to adjust on the fly?

But if the OC is leading the way at these meetings, why can't we just pick a new leader. Please!?
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I would bet Butch has a lot to say in those meetings
 
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Dougie_D said:
When Butch hired DeBord, it felt like he wasn't willing to give up his offensive philosophy. So he hired someone that understands or shares same offensive ideas.

But my question is, does CBJ ever call plays?

If not, maybe we should have Co-Coordinators. A rushing specialist and a passing specialist.

Our rushing attack is our strength. Maybe we need to change our direction in the way we call passing plays.
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I call the plays. Got a problem with it?
 
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OSVolFan said:
I see this thought a LOT on here. Go watch the Bowling Green game from last year. Three step drop and the BG quarterback dropped dimes on us the entire game. When press coverage is being played with limited safety help over the top, and large/fast receivers I will take my chances all day long. We should have thrown 7-10 downfield passes against Bama. My guess is we'd have completed a few........
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That is exactly what Peyton said when the interviewed him in the booth. Run more 3 step drops and get the ball out quick!
 
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Dobbs has a RPO read on almost every play, so the o line doesn't know if a called run will be a pass or a called pass will be a run that's the reason for the zone blocking that is in place. This an offense that can be unstoppable because there is always an open option to gain yardage, but and it is a big but, it all functions off of the ability of Dobbs to make pre-snap and at the snap reads, Which I believe is his most lacking ability.
 
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Do you honestly think play calling really made a difference when 5 of your 6 top offensive lineman are out of the game against arguably the best college defense possibly of all time? Folks I want to beat Alabama. So do Every College Football team in the country. Should all 8 of the SEC coaches who have lost over the last 2 years need to be fired?! Really?
 
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