Which streak comes to an end first in 2015?

#76
#76
The Florida streak ends this year. This has been the longest 10 years and this season, it ends.
 
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sjt18 said:
A .500 record vs UF would be good. He's two games in the hole already though and that against two terrible UF teams.

UF is a benchmark precisely because UT has struggled so badly against them.
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I agree.
While beating Florida at this point and time would not carry the same weight as beating bama, it would be huge for our program. It would be a step in the right direction towards bigger and better things. Gotta make that first step on the journey to greatness.
 
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KBVol said:
I honestly, sincerely (and perhaps irrationally) believe we have a better chance to beat Bammer in Tuscaloosa than we do Florida in Gainesville. Ain't even lying.
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It may just be my orange colored glasses, but I see 2 HUGE upsets this year....both of em on the road!!
 
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sjt18 said:
UF would have put Fulmer on notice when Sanders didn't perform up to Cut's standard. He wouldn't have gotten away with allowing personal loyalties to get in the way of team success. From 93-98 with Cut, UT failed to score over 400 pts in a season only once averaging 34.8 ppg. From 99 to 05, Sanders' high water mark was 400 pts in 2001 with a team loaded with future NFL players. He averaged 27.5 ppg.

UT first accepted Fulmer's tolerance of mediocrity in Sanders. It was partly that decline and laziness that had many ready to toss him along with Sanders in 05.

We will see what the AD does but my argument is mostly with those here who argue that Jones should get 4+ years before being expected to show real improvement.

But you also seem to have ignored another point I made. It was pretty widely reported that UTAD was going to give Dooley another year after the '12 debacle if he could just get to a bowl game. That goes well beyond embracing mediocrity.

You don't "understand" as you view this through your particular condescending lens. You think as UT fans we should just "accept our place" and be OK with things that you as a UF fan would NEVER tolerate.... and didn't.
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From 1999-2004, Tennessee won 56 football games, just shy of 10 wins a year.

If someone had a Phil Fulmer level of performance from 1993-2004 at Florida, he would not have been fired, pressured, you name it. He would have been given a mulligan in 2005.

I am not viewing things with a condescending lens and am frankly tired of you pulling the "condescending" stuff out of your hat.

Fans may complain because that's what fans do. You win 8. Fans want 9. Win 9. Fans want 10. Win 15. Fans complain that you almost lost a couple that you won. It does not mean Florida puts up with something for longer or shorter time periods than Tennessee. Florida held onto a coach after a year 3 performance of 4-8.

I am not in disagreement with you about how long it should take Jones or anyone else to show improvement.

What I would remind you and plenty of other people is that every situation is different and not all rebuilding jobs are made the same.

The Tennessee baseball program is a great example. It's not a condescending attitude that would have me argue that Serrano should be given more time than normal to rebuild the program.....because it's not the normal rebuilding job.

I do not think Tennessee has a longer tolerance for poor performance than Florida.

I disagree with you, sir.
 
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sjt18 said:
A .500 record vs UF would be good. He's two games in the hole already though and that against two terrible UF teams.

UF is a benchmark precisely because UT has struggled so badly against them.
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It really has been worse than we all want to imagine....but in that case...a .500 record would make him better than any coach not named Neyland, Robinson (1/1) or Battle (2/1)....who coached UT against UF more than once.

...and, I wouldn't necessarily call the past 2 UF teams terrible; they still had pretty good defenses - our guys should have won last year but the entire offense was flat that day....especially after Hurd was knocked out of the game....JMHO.
 
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Hopefully the streak of profanity that exits my mouth after the Florida game ever year ends..
 
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99gator said:
From 1999-2004, Tennessee won 56 football games, just shy of 10 wins a year.

If someone had a Phil Fulmer level of performance from 1993-2004 at Florida, he would not have been fired, pressured, you name it. He would have been given a mulligan in 2005.
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But we aren't talking about 93 to 1998. We are talking about what he became after the NC and without Cutcliffe. He failed in the most basic task of a HC... surrounding himself with highly talented and effective assistants.

Also during the period you cite, he was owned by UF for the most part. But you seem to think that 2nd best should be satisfactory to UT fans, right? Do you seriously believe that if the roles were reversed with UF playing second to UT for that period... that UF wouldn't have acted on that coach?

I am not viewing things with a condescending lens and am frankly tired of you pulling the "condescending" stuff out of your hat.
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Yes you are and "frankly" I don't care what you are tired of. IF you don't want to be called condescending... then stop acting like UT should be happy being 2nd tier.

Fans may complain because that's what fans do. You win 8. Fans want 9. Win 9. Fans want 10. Win 15. Fans complain that you almost lost a couple that you won. It does not mean Florida puts up with something for longer or shorter time periods than Tennessee. Florida held onto a coach after a year 3 performance of 4-8.
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And fired one that never had a losing record at UF in some part because he had a 3-3 record vs UT and UGA combined. Fulmer's record vs UF and UGA between 99 and 05 was 5-9... iow's clearly 2nd tier.

I am not in disagreement with you about how long it should take Jones or anyone else to show improvement.

What I would remind you and plenty of other people is that every situation is different and not all rebuilding jobs are made the same.
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Correct. There is a "range" however of what is reasonable. People here started making excuses almost immediately. Each time they make a new excuse, they seem to also extend the "reasonable" expected time to see improvement. I have never said that he should have them competing for the SEC this fall. But expecting 8 wins is well short of that.

The Tennessee baseball program is a great example. It's not a condescending attitude that would have me argue that Serrano should be given more time than normal to rebuild the program.....because it's not the normal rebuilding job.
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I love baseball but you really can't compare sports like that. A basketball program can be turned around in a year. Baseball because of some of the scholarship limits and added competition from pro baseball has its own problems.

The best comparisons though not perfect will continue to be other football programs with similar situations. Mullen took over a mess and won 9 games within 3 years. Freeze took over an even worse situation than Jones and won 9 games in year 3. Bielema took over a bad program that needed a roster re-build and won 6 in his second year including a couple of impressive SEC wins.

I do not think Tennessee has a longer tolerance for poor performance than Florida.

I disagree with you, sir.
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You read more posts here than to think that. Did anyone argue that Muschamp should get 4 or 5 years regardless of record? Some here have done that. How long did UF fans continue to excuse Muschamp by blaming Meyer who did leave problems in his wake?

I hope that our argument never has to be put to the test with Jones. Hopefully the Vols turn the corner this year and go on a run.... and I have every bit as much right to "expect" that as UF fans do.

You "expect" to win. Too many UT fans "hope" to win. There's a big difference.
 
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#97
At least Tennessee ended the streak of losses to Georgia. Hopefully Tennessee will beat Georgia in Athens in 2016 and start a losing streak for them.
 
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KBVol said:
We currently have 4 losing streaks going...

10 in a row to Florida
8 in a row to Bama
5 in a row to Georgia
3 in a row to Missouri

We're 0-26 vs those 4 teams. Damn.

I say we lose to Florida, beat Georgia, and, here comes a stretch.....beat either Bama or Mizzou. We end 2 of the 4 streaks in 2015 imo.
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so far....KB 2 for 2 so far...nicely done sir!:hi:
 
#100
#100
Our streak against Georgia was only one of the streaks broken Saturday.

We also had lost 14-straight in the CBS 3:30 slot, as well as 16-straight as the CBS game of the week (Verne and Gary)

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