Where would we be right now with McCain?

[MWR]

No, you had another choice. You could have chosen a candidate that actully respects the Constitution, American sovereignty, economic discipline and capitalism. But instead, you all chose two guys that looked better in the suit and who were more palatable.

There were only two real possibilities on the ballot I cast. And I didn't like either of them.

 

[Jewbaccah]

Okay?

Just saying that Al Qaeda and the Afghanistan’s U.S. backed government simply tax the farmers. They don't harvest the fields. And that's the problem, profits going to criminals. Disrupting this would not only cause the current government to turn on us, but would also give Al Qaeda even more support from the Afghanis.

Opium is too embedded in their culture to expect them to just stop growing it and choose a much less profitable crop or industry. It goes back to the idea of whether the U.S. should force their ideals on other countries.

If they keep growing opium they will always be run by warlords. It is not a victory to hand them from a religious radical warlord to a secular one. It is not victory at all. And we were doing it. We should start targeting factories as well. Or maybe we should get out? But if we are to stay there we cannot just beat the Taliban while laying the foundations for some other crooked system. Beating the Taliban will not end terrorism in America or weaken it that severely. Creating viable economic states in Arab countries will atleast slow it down. Opium production only allows them to survive. They need a new system.

 

[The Dude]

If they keep growing opium they will always be run by warlords. It is not a victory to hand them from a religious radical warlord to a secular one. It is not victory at all. And we were doing it. We should start targeting factories as well. Or maybe we should get out? But if we are to stay there we cannot just beat the Taliban while laying the foundations for some other crooked system. Beating the Taliban will not end terrorism in America or weaken it that severely. Creating viable economic states in Arab countries will atleast slow it down. Opium production only allows them to survive. They need a new system.

Seems like you're going somewhere else with this. I was speaking of our current situation and apparent goal of suffocating terrorism. Burning fields doesn't help our cause and is incredibly ineffective. I don't have any answers, but I doubt ruining many of the citizen's current livelihood is going to help our mission.

 

[Voodoomonkey]

Quick question to the conservatives on the board. I've seen some of you say you wouldn't want Palin, Romney and Huckabee running for the republican ticket for 2012. So, who are you all looking to at this point or is there just no one in sight yet?

 

[Jewbaccah]

There livelihood is basically producing a good that is used mostly for evil. Our mission to end terrorism is not won by defeating some bullies in a desert across the world. It is won by ending the policies of appeasement. It is won by creating governments and economies that are built on a better foundation financially and in principle. Right now we are chasing our tail in the desert. We will have to take a hard line stance on issues like the Opium trade and others regarding "muslim" laws. Then requiring real education most also be an emphasis. We can beat the bullies down as much as we want it will not end terrorism, if the "culture" that created them is intact.

 

[VOLARMY]

I don't care what you say about McCain, comparing him to Reagan is borderline retarded.
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YES YES YES McStain is a Moderate at best and Reagan was a conservative . McCain was a war hero and a great American in that regard but his own party hates him BECAUSE he does NOT adhere to conservative principles and values . Reagan showed us that conservatism works . It's not extreme like some on here would like you to beleive . John McCain tilts the pendulum to the left ! We need a true conservative !!!!

 

[VOLARMY]

Quick question to the conservatives on the board. I've seen some of you say you wouldn't want Palin, Romney and Huckabee running for the republican ticket for 2012. So, who are you all looking to at this point or is there just no one in sight yet?

After the disaster that was the Carter administration , The greatest president in American history rose from the ashes (RR) . So when this socialist Obama fails , we will have another great leader emerge . Have no fear monkey man

 

[Jewbaccah]

YES YES YES McStain is a Moderate at best and Reagan was a conservative . McCain was a war hero and a great American in that regard but his own party hates him BECAUSE he does NOT adhere to conservative principles and values . Reagan showed us that conservatism works . It's not extreme like some on here would like you to beleive . John McCain tilts the pendulum to the left ! We need a true conservative !!!!

Everyone pay attention this guy is hurting the party. Reagan was a Democrat for the first half of his life partner.

It is not about are we left or are we right. Reagan was not about being on the right for the sake of it. Nor is McCain. It is sad were this has all gone. I believe it started with Clinton. Clinton was a moderate. He was not a raging left liberal. I would not have voted for him but reality is he was a moderate. Obama I hope has shown you what a true liberal is.

I remember the polarized hate for anything Clinton. I was a young republican myself. So blinding this hate has been that we have sold ourselves to the ideologies exposed by the poor individual who posted this quote.

We do not have time for this. So maybe an individual is for privatizing parts of our government and thus making our government smaller and more efficient but he is pro choice. Can he be a Republican? What if you swtich it around. An individual is a christian who believes in old fashioned family values and is pro-life. However, he is from Michigan and comes from a family dependent on GM and the Union. Can he be a Republican?

LOL, a true conservative? Really? I happened to be in some of those backrooms years ago. McCain was betrayed by his party for not walking the party line on pork and corrupt practices. They turned on him for it because he stood up for something. Everything else is spin. He is not perfect not by a long shot. I would rather there be someone else more inspiring but he is a good man. Something I cannot say for much of the men in Washington whether they be ass or elephant.

If we do not stop this nonsense soon Obama will have elimated term limits and be serving as king. Is that absurd? Are you sure?:hi:

 

[Voodoomonkey]

After the disaster that was the Carter administration , The greatest president in American history rose from the ashes (RR) . So when this socialist Obama fails , we will have another great leader emerge . Have no fear monkey man

I'm not a conservative. I'm just looking for specific names. You can never be too early when studying these types of things. And Reagan was not the greatest president ever. I'm sure even he would admit that.

 

[gsvol]

In reply to Jewbacka:
(something weird here, you got a triple post and I clicked your post that began something like 'say that to his face.', and the quote didn't show up)

You mean the angry Juan McCain??

I don't know that I've ever said anything to insult him, especially on purpose, but if you don't think I will say what I have to say to his face, you don't know me at all.

“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine,” Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.), also a senior member of the Appropriations panel, told the Boston Globe recently. “He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”

“John was very rough in the sandbox,” said former senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who is outspoken in his opposition to McCain’s candidacy. “Everybody has a McCain story. If you work in the Senate for a while, you have a McCain story. . . . He hasn’t built up a lot of goodwill.”

Defending His Amnesty Bill, Sen. McCain Lost His Temper And “Screamed, ‘f*** You!’ At Texas Sen. John Cornyn” (R-TX).

Sen. McCain Repeatedly Called Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) An “A**hole”, Causing A Fellow GOP Senator To Say, “I Didn’t Want This Guy Anywhere Near A Trigger.”

Sen. McCain Had A Heated Exchange With Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) And Called Him A “******* Jerk.”

In 1995, Sen. McCain Had A “Scuffle” With 92-Year-Old Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) On The Senate Floor.

People who disagree with him get the f*** you,” said former Rep. John LeBoutillier, a New York Republican who had an encounter with McCain when he was on a POW task force in the House. “I think he is mentally unstable and not fit to be president.”

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, saw McCain’s temper up close. “His volatility borders in the area of being unstable,” Johnson has said. “Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause.”

A recent statement put out in January of 2008 by Mrs. Hrdlicka’s attorney reads;

According to Mrs.Carol Hrdlicka, when POW/MIA family members confronted Sen. John McCain in the halls of Congress after the conclusion of the Committee’s Report, he shoved the wheelchair of handicapped POW mother Jane Gaylord out of his way knocking it into her niece who was behind the chair attending to her aunt and she was pushed up against a wall.

Subsequently Mrs. Gaylord filed a complaint for assault against the Senator but the matter was squelched by the powers that be.

As Senator McCain attempted to jump on an elevator to make a quick escape from the POW/MIA family members gathered, he shouted at Mrs. Hrdlicka, “You don’t know what I’ve been through”(indicating he was a former POW and inferring Mrs. Hrdlicka had no comparable experience or appreciation of his great suffering and sacrifice).

As the door to the elevator began to close around the cowering Senator who was making good his get-a-way, Mrs. Hrdlicka raised a large photo of her POW husband Col. David Hrdlicka and thrust it at the elevator doors to show the Senator that she did indeed share in the suffering of POWs and family members and shouted that she had clear proof her husband David was still alive in captivity.

Unfortunately, Mrs. Hrdlicka’s cries and pleas for help from government officials bent on closing the chapter on POWs fell on deaf ears and blackened hearts!“

Victor J. Apodaca, Jr., USAF

Another incident and most likely the most disturbing occurred in 1992 while McCain was an outspoken member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.

The senator from Arizona continually interrupted, argued with and ridiculed testimony given by various governmental employees involved in the POW/MIA Issue as well as family members.

In fact, he brought the sister of a missing Air Force pilot to tears during one of his confrontational rants, Dolores Apodaca Alfond.

Her testimony (p.379) at a hearing of the POW/MIA committee Nov. 11, 1992, was revealing. She pleaded with the committee not to shut down in two months, as scheduled, because so much of its work was unfinished. Also, she was critical of the committee, and in particular Kerry and McCain, for having “discredited the overhead satellite symbol pictures, arguing there is no way to be sure that the [distress] symbols were made by U.S. POWs.”

She also criticized them for similarly discounting data from special sensors, shaped like a large spike with an electronic pod and an antenna, that were airdropped to stick in the ground along the Ho Chi Minh trail. These devices served as motion detectors, picking up passing convoys and other military movements, but they also had rescue capabilities. Specifically, someone on the ground — a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor detail — could manually enter data into the sensor pods.

Alfond said the data from the sensor spikes, which was regularly gathered by Air Force jets flying overhead, had showed that a person or persons on the ground had manually entered into the sensors — as U.S. pilots had been trained to do — “no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who were lost in Laos.”

Other than the panel’s second co-chairman, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., not a single committee member attended this public hearing. But McCain, having been advised of Alfond’s testimony, suddenly rushed into the room to confront her.

His face angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making “allegations … that are patently and totally false and deceptive.” Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: “And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people’s [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours.”

By this time, tears were running down Alfond’s cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: “The family members have been waiting for years — years! And now you’re shutting down.” He kept interrupting her.

She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults.

I tell you what JB, not only will I say what I have to say to his face, whether he considers the truth an insult or not, I will bust the sorry sob squarely in his mf nose if he goes off like that to me. (even though I generally respect my elders which seems to be a dying art considering some of the asinine replies I get to some of my posts)

Three black marks against McCain's legacy;

ONE

Juan's work on the select committee on POWs, he collaborated with commie Kerry as any fellow traveler would.

I live for the day I will pee on John Kerry's grave, if insult is added to injury and he should be buried at Arlington then I will offer up a prayer of thanks to all those who have served, especially those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, but then as the deed is done, I'm sure I will receive a resounding round of silent of applause from the vast majority of those buried there.

TWO:

McCain support for the Clinton Balkan policy and his paid support of the KLA that was listed as a terrorist organization one week and an ally considered a freedom fighter the next. (Actually Joe Biden was the first to sell out to this Al-Qaeda affiliated group.)

"John McCain did everything we asked of him." Albanian frontman DioGuardi KLA.

That Balkan policy saw the breakup of hodgepodge of countries put together after WWI by the powers that be, that was called 'Yugoslavia."

In Coratia we saw neo-nazis with strong connections to the WWII era nazi party empowered.

In Bosnia we saw iranian backed islamo/fascists with like ties to WWII nazis empowered.

We saw a power grab in central Yugolavia by radical muslims with backing from Al-Qaeda and mujhadeen from all over the mideast which ripped the heart out of the traditional Serbian Christian homeland, Kosovo and now we have a Bill Clinton street and an Osama bin-Laden mosque to replace 200 destroyed Christian churches and monestaries, not to mention hundreds of Christian cemetaries vandalized and thousandes of Christian graves desecrated.


THREE:

McCain's immigration policy is only a slightly watered down version of the Soros 'open border' agenda.

John McCain not only had key (open borders, amnesty) campaign staff direct from the Mexican Government, his campaign had been litterally kept alive by Socialist billionaire George Soros and John Kerry’s wife. (through her privately run tax exempt money laundering foundation that shifts billions of dollars from one annonymous entity to other political organisations in a process that is kept from public view)

Just ask yourself this: what interest did they have in his political success?

Thre are numersou other factors such as his involvement with the Keating five that do not speak well of the man.

I don't care what you say about McCain, comparing him to Reagan is borderline retarded.
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:lolabove: :good!:

Does anyone think it wise to elect as head of this nation someone who has been a POW subjected to severe mental reflex action indoctrination for a period of six years???

I don't and as a matter of fact from discussions I've had with other former POWs who say restrictions for them are more stringent than for a civilian convicted of a felony. It is my understanding they aren't allowed, among other things to hold public office, this must have been waived in the McCain case.

Since his return from Hanoi, McCain has …

~Ignored pleas of POW/MIA Family Members for his political influence in the overall POW/MIA Issue as well as with their individual cases

~Verbally abused POW/MIA Family Members in public and private

~Attempted to negatively influence those who testified before the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs

~Diminished legislation that gave oversight and protection to the families

~Dismantled protection to any future servicemen that go missing.

 

[Jewbaccah]

I will get back to this it is late and you have said so much and so little at the same time. I did not see anything backing up what you said in red. So if you could copy and paste some more pics and sources and then take up a page with them I would appreciate it.

You seem to have misspelled my name. The to his face thing had nothing to do with you as I do not remember you being involves with this at all. Not to say you are not welcome.

Thank you for proving my point. In the midst of all your spin and propaganda you crucified McCain for working for our then president Clinton. So no republican should work with the president to better handle any situations abroad or domestic? LOL--it is exactly what I am saying. This has to stop. Clinton was a moderate guys. Big time moderate. You cannot run the country if you are unwilling to work with the people in it. And you cannot crucify every person in your party if they associate with members of the other.

More to come later...

 

[KingNick865]

The greatest president in American history rose from the ashes (RR) .

More like in your lifetime, perhaps.

 

[gsvol]

No, you had another choice. You could have chosen a candidate that actully respects the Constitution, American sovereignty, economic discipline and capitalism. But instead, you all chose two guys that looked better in the suit and who were more palatable.

Well they could have voted with me for the 'party' party ticket of Ray Stevens and Larry the Cable Guy.

They definately had better campaign posters than any of their opponents.

I will get back to this it is late and you have said so much and so little at the same time. I did not see anything backing up what you said in red. So if you could copy and paste some more pics and sources and then take up a page with them I would appreciate it.

You seem to have misspelled my name. The to his face thing had nothing to do with you as I do not remember you being involves with this at all. Not to say you are not welcome.

Thank you for proving my point. In the midst of all your spin and propaganda you crucified McCain for working for our then president Clinton. So no republican should work with the president to better handle any situations abroad or domestic? LOL--it is exactly what I am saying. This has to stop. Clinton was a moderate guys. Big time moderate. You cannot run the country if you are unwilling to work with the people in it. And you cannot crucify every person in your party if they associate with members of the other.

More to come later...

Catch you on the flip side.

I can work with ignorance in the hopes of introducing knowledge, with supidity, I can only pray it doesn't get any worse.

If you consider Clinton moderate, who do you consider to be to his left??? (and you call my factual evaluation propaganda?? get real!!)

I didn't write anything that wasn't factual about McCain, that written in red is what all the POW organizations think of him, do you know of anyone who disagrees? That is exactly what he has done since being repatriated.

 

[Jewbaccah]

Well they could have voted with me for the 'party' party ticket of Ray Stevens and Larry the Cable Guy.

They definately had better campaign posters than any of their opponents.

Catch you on the flip side.

I can work with ignorance in the hopes of introducing knowledge, with supidity, I can only pray it doesn't get any worse.

If you consider Clinton moderate, who do you consider to be to his left??? (and you call my factual evaluation propaganda?? get real!!)

I didn't write anything that wasn't factual about McCain, that written in red is what all the POW organizations think of him, do you know of anyone who disagrees? That is exactly what he has done since being repatriated.

Ahhh thanks you copy and pasted some more pics that was sweet. I think your problem is you have gone so far right you can no longer see the center. I understand wanting to back down and not look silly. Hmm McCain got elected through the primary. Who voted for him? I bet it was those silly Dems they came over and voted McCain in because they were so afraid of....(crickets noises). And since when is "I said so" factual you have to show the reader or called proving your point. Copy and pasting pics is not proving a point either. I miss the days too when we could just look at the pretty pictures and not read the story but those days have past. You must find sources. Primary sources are better. And I said spin lol.

So about my supidity. Should I be worried? I mean is it a serious thing to have? Anyone who is half way aware of the facts on the ground knows Clinton was a moderate. He got the independent vote and he got moderate republicans. Hmmm guess he was a moderate. So again you go and prove my point. I would not vote for Clinton and he is not my guy but you like a good little soldier will crucify anyone who states anything that disagrees with the world as you see it. I hope you enjoy insignificance because the right wing extremist is going to be there for awhile unless they learn to play well with others.

And oh yes I was not done with your previous post and its inaccuracies I will get back to that later as I said...:birgits_giggle:

 

[MG1968]

Quick question to the conservatives on the board. I've seen some of you say you wouldn't want Palin, Romney and Huckabee running for the republican ticket for 2012. So, who are you all looking to at this point or is there just no one in sight yet?

I was one of the first people on this board to mention Palin as a possible VP pick for McCain and I was overjoyed when she was picked for the job.

I still think she has potential, she's great on economics and domestic issues, but needs work on foreign policy. She also needs to learn how to better handle obviously hostile interviewers.

Ron Paul is terrific on fiscal policy, but is a little too much of a Pat Buchanan-style isolationist for my liking. I didn't appreciate his willingness to blame 9-11 on America's "interventionist foreign policy". It also didn't help that he received some very vocal support from the David Duke types and didn't repudiate them in any way nor did he bother to return their campaign contributions.

Huckabee and Romney both say the right things and I like them both. Huck gets the nod because he supports the Fair Tax.

In the end, I don't think any of them are on the 2012 ticket.

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

More like in your lifetime, perhaps.

Let us hope that we at least get another Reagan in your lifetime.

I was one of the first people on this board to mention Palin as a possible VP pick for McCain and I was overjoyed when she was picked for the job.

I still think she has potential, she's great on economics and domestic issues, but needs work on foreign policy. She also needs to learn how to better handle obviously hostile interviewers.

Ron Paul is terrific on fiscal policy, but is a little too much of a Pat Buchanan-style isolationist for my liking. I didn't appreciate his willingness to blame 9-11 on America's "interventionist foreign policy". It also didn't help that he received some very vocal support from the David Duke types and didn't repudiate them in any way nor did he bother to return their campaign contributions.

Huckabee and Romney both say the right things and I like them both. Huck gets the nod because he supports the Fair Tax.

In the end, I don't think any of them are on the 2012 ticket.

That type of support from virulent racists didn't seem to hurt that socialist idiot currently occupying the White House.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Clinton only bacame a moderate after our electorate hammered his ass for his liberalism through his first two years. His record is moderate because we were lucky enough to have gridlock over his final six.

Unfortunately, gridlock ended with the election of Bush 2 and it again proved disastrous.

I'm convinced that our best governance happens under gridlock.
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[gsvol]

Ahhh thanks you copy and pasted some more pics that was sweet. I think your problem is you have gone so far right you can no longer see the center. I understand wanting to back down and not look silly. Hmm McCain got elected through the primary. Who voted for him? I bet it was those silly Dems they came over and voted McCain in because they were so afraid of....(crickets noises). And since when is "I said so" factual you have to show the reader or called proving your point. Copy and pasting pics is not proving a point either. I miss the days too when we could just look at the pretty pictures and not read the story but those days have past. You must find sources. Primary sources are better. And I said spin lol.

1. I could care less what you think of my politics.

2. I don't have to prove a dmaned thing to you or anyone else.

3. You've read so much media hype that you have been spun so long you don't know up from down.

"The man who reads nothing is better informed than the one who reads only newspapers." Thomas Jefferson

So about my supidity. Should I be worried? I mean is it a serious thing to have? Anyone who is half way aware of the facts on the ground knows Clinton was a moderate. He got the independent vote and he got moderate republicans. Hmmm guess he was a moderate. So again you go and prove my point. I would not vote for Clinton and he is not my guy but you like a good little soldier will crucify anyone who states anything that disagrees with the world as you see it. I hope you enjoy insignificance because the right wing extremist is going to be there for awhile unless they learn to play well with others.

I didn't say you were stupid, I mentioned stupidity, if the shoe fits, wear it, obviously you identified with the statement or you wouldn't have you pants all in a wad.

Calling Clinton a moderate is over the borderline retarded, he may have been perceived by the American public as a moderate but the American public is so dumbed down they believe a lot of things that aren't true.

Everything I said about McCain is true.

Who is trying to crucify whom here?? You want to label me??? You are so indocrinated with political correctness that you are incapable of making an objective statement about anything.

And oh yes I was not done with your previous post and its inaccuracies I will get back to that later as I said...:birgits_giggle:

You do that, if you step off the pages of Gannet (USA Today and a few hundred other nespapers) Associated press (every newpaper in America) The NY and LA Times, away from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN etc, and there might just be hope you can walk out of that fantasy world.

Then we will go over any innaccuracies point by point.

Tickety tock! :dance2:

 

[615 Vol]

Clinton only bacame a moderate after our electorate hammered his ass for his liberalism through his first two years. His record is moderate because we were lucky enough to have gridlock over his final six.

Unfortunately, gridlock ended with the election of Bush 2 and it again proved disastrous.

I'm convinced that our best governance happens under gridlock.
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Is there any chance of this with Obama?

 

[KB5252]

The biggest difference if McCain had been elected would be that ideas from both sides of the isle would be welcomed, debated and implemented, the nation would have benefited and been much better off in this regard IMHO.

 

[utvolpj]

Is there any chance of this with Obama?

I believe the Repubs will have neither the votes nor the people running to get it done

 

[gsvol]

Clinton only bacame a moderate after our electorate hammered his ass for his liberalism through his first two years. His record is moderate because we were lucky enough to have gridlock over his final six.

Unfortunately, gridlock ended with the election of Bush 2 and it again proved disastrous.

I'm convinced that our best governance happens under gridlock.
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I didn't see the gridlock, we passsed the Iraq regime change act of 1998 and we dropped more bomb tonnage in Slick Willy's second term than in all of Vietnam and we bombed the wrong side.

"We Bombed the wrong side," Canadian General Lewis McKenzie, former UN commander in the Balkans during the civil war in 1992.

The first real war crimes was the cover-up of the 200,000 Serbians displaced and 20,000 Serbians slaughtered by the Croations who wanted within their borders an area where Serbians had been living for 500 years.

serbians fleeing the new croatia

McCain and the Albanians. While McCain and leading democrats were backing the muslim terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army and calling for the release of mujhadeen terrorists, the KLA was selling the organs of kidnapped young Serbians.

The allegations are aired in Carla Del Ponte's just published memoirs of her eight years as chief prosecutor for the international war crimes tribunal for former Yugoslavia, based in The Hague.

The Hunt: Me and War Criminals,

 

[Chemvol]

I don't care what you say about McCain, comparing him to Reagan is borderline retarded.
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fyp

Let us hope that we at least get another Reagan in your lifetime.

After Obama's done, we may need two or three.

 

[MG1968]

That type of support from virulent racists didn't seem to hurt that socialist idiot currently occupying the White House.

none of those racists are white.

understand that distinction.

 

[1Vols#1Fan]

we would be in the same $h!t hole as we are now. But with McCain we would not be as likely to blow each other up. Eric Berry for HEISMAN