Where there's smoke there's fire?

#426
#426
Exiled said:
Canales not getting it done or too much to overcome on a short time?
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Unfortunately, Mike is a below average coach. He got the job due to his past relationships with Jones and Scott. Until someone forces Butch's hand and makes him hire a proven OC/QB developer, more of the same problems will keep occurring i.e. bad QB development and bad use of talent. Even then, the issues may not get resolved due to Butch's inability to not lose us games on the sideline. At some point you have to look at Butch and say, you had 5 years to fix it and you chose to hire your buddies for the most part instead of going outside your comfort zone to resolve our reoccurring issues.

In the end, outside Coach G and Coach Scott (as a position coach), I'd be willing to bet that almost all of our offensive staff would have trouble finding jobs unless it was a low end job, non-power 5 job.
 
#429
#429
Volnut said:
On Basillio's show today, Beano had a couple of damming numbers. He said before SEC split into 2, UT was measured on Bama, Auburn and Vanderbilt. After splitting into 2, it's Bama, Florida and Vanderbilt and Jones is 3-10. If you throw in UGA, it's 5-12!
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Basilio is an azzhat. Every coach you just named didn't take over a depleted roster. They had players. If Butch could have taken over a roster from UTs 2015 to 2020 those numbers would be completely different.
 
#430
#430
Exiled said:
Canales not getting it done or too much to overcome on a short time?
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I don't think it is just the coach. Attitude of the player can be a factor as well. They have to want it. They have to work for it. They have to adjust to the fact that while they were the big fish in high school and may have not had to work hard to succeed, they are now a little fish in college and they must compete.

It is a transition - some make it faster than others.

That is not meant to reflect on JG - it is what is and it applies not only to football but other aspects of college as well.
 
#431
#431
LWSVOL said:
development of players is pretty poor in Knoxville IMO. and that may be the answer because I believe the talent level is way below the ratings they have gotten for the classes signed. 5 stars are supposed to impact year one on campus. Ours haven't done that IMO
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That is exactly why I finally decided this staff needs to go.
 
#432
#432
LWSVOL said:
no other option right now. JG is just not ready... development at the QB position has been really, really bad.....
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That why I said go get me mullen. Dude has done way more with less for a very long time. And when was last time you saw him blow games lime this staff repeatedly does....
 
#433
#433
LWSVOL said:
no other option right now. JG is just not ready... development at the QB position has been really, really bad.....
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I think JG isn't ready because of his maturity and attitude. Instead of thinking he should be starting he needs to work harder.
 
#434
#434
volfan102455 said:
I don't think it is just the coach. Attitude of the player can be a factor as well. They have to want it. They have to work for it. They have to adjust to the fact that while they were the big fish in high school and may have not had to work hard to succeed, they are now a little fish in college and they must compete.

It is a transition - some make it faster than others.

That is not meant to reflect on JG - it is what is and it applies not only to football but other aspects of college as well.
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Ding ding ding
 
#436
#436
KB5252 said:
Why does Jones insist on entertaining qb's that cannot run the read option element of his offense? This has bothered me for a few years now, and the way the offense is set up it's like a boxer going into a title fight not being able to throw the jab that sets everything else up.
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100% agree with this. Butch kept saying QD is more athletic than we think and can run the full offense. Reality is he's about as effective as Peyton running the read option. I think we should be tying our future to JG who has that ability. every teams knows QD is not a running threat and if he does take off he's not going far.

And as far as our defense goes, from what I see, I don't see a huge change from pre Shoop to now. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big X O guy so maybe someone else can chime in on this.
 
#437
#437
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Basilio is an azzhat. Every coach you just named didn't take over a depleted roster. They had players. If Butch could have taken over a roster from UTs 2015 to 2020 those numbers would be completely different.
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I don't see how how after 4 years, Butch is now 3-10 vs our Big 3. I get the Bama losses, but UGA/Florida haven't been gang busters. We've had the better team is 4-5 Florida losses. Should be 3-1 vs UGA instead of 2-2 as well.
 
#438
#438
smokeybeach said:
100% agree with this. Butch kept saying QD is more athletic than we think and can run the full offense. Reality is he's about as effective as Peyton running the read option. I think we should be tying our future to JG who has that ability. every teams knows QD is not a running threat and if he does take off he's not going far.

And as far as our defense goes, from what I see, I don't see a huge change from pre Shoop to now. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big X O guy so maybe someone else can chime in on this.
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It is crazy how explosive QD is when he fakes the keep vs when he does keep it. He really sprints up the field when he doesn't keep it.
 
#440
#440
smokeybeach said:
Is that because we didn't have a true QB coach until this year?
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Now there is an interesting point considering neither QBs are FR in their first year.

Sins of the past..

And that's if you give credit to the idea that Canales is doing a good job he just hasn't had enough time. And that is not evident at this point either.
 
#441
#441
Exiled said:
Canales not getting it done or too much to overcome on a short time?
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i think there is something to the "short time" angle.

i know i said it a lot during the off season....but it's a lot to ask for the entire staff to basically turnover, start a new s&c program, lose the type, and quality, of players we lost from last year to this, and it all just come together in a single off season.

w/out ever knowing what some of these guys will do when the lights come on, some of it will be a learn as you go thing. which is a tough pill to swallow because many of us have said it's been "learn as you go" for going on 5 years....but with a new qb coach and new qbs, it's not a complete surprise to see some struggles communication and chemistry wise. how long that continues...that's going to be key as we go thru the season.

i think this team will get better as the year goes on, but there are a couple obvious, significant deficiencies, that may not simply because the players just aren't there.

LB is the one that sticks out. DB is another. WR might be another if someone besides Callaway doesn't emerge.

3 games in, i'd say early returns on Wells are good. early returns on Beard are fair. and while i'm not ready to say the DB's are there, i do think we've seen SOME improvement, limited, really, just by the skill level of the guys that are currently seeing the field, so i'm willing to see what Warren can continue to do as the season goes on. Gillespie is as solid a position coach we have.

Hoke...again, the first two games were a wash for various reasons, i thought against FL they DL played....better.

i think i'm done with Thig.

but what i thought might happen, looks to be happening, and that's there's just things that have to be worked out, worked on, and corrected as you get film on guys in game reps.

and if we lose games going forward like we did Saturday (to the wrong opponents) this staff may not get the chance to finally gel and see what they could be capable of long term. at the end of the day, when you find yourself losing winnable games like that....well, let's just say, that's not WHY they were hired......
 
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#442
#442
BeecherVol said:
Now there is an interesting point considering neither QBs are FR in their first year.

Sins of the past..

And that's if you give credit to the idea that Canales is doing a good job he just hasn't had enough time. And that is not evident at this point either.
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yep. won't know it til later on in the year, one way or the other.
 
#443
#443
smokeybeach said:
Is that because we didn't have a true QB coach until this year?
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The QB coach from last 2 years is now at Indiana and received props on the OSU game telecast about being a bright QB coach.

Frankly, QD is much further along and ready to play at this level than Crompton was in 2008 after Cutcliffe left. JC was horrible that yr and much of the blame was that Cut didn't focus on him near as much the yr before.
 
#445
#445
landscapingvol said:
He could survive a loss to UK imho
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If he finished 8-4.

7-5 with a L to Vandy or UK (and I would add SC) and he's opened the door.

You haven't beaten any teams you are on Par with (UF, UGA, LSU) and you lose a game you shouldn't again.

The only bright side is you didn't lose 2 like last year. Maybe thats the progress UT is after.
 
#446
#446
jakez4ut said:
yep. won't know it til later on in the year, one way or the other.
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Given neither played last year, you have no gauge until games are played.

It puts the spotlight on not having a QB coach for the problem given Dormady has been on campus 2 full years and JG for 1.
 
#447
#447
volfan102455 said:
I don't think it is just the coach. Attitude of the player can be a factor as well. They have to want it. They have to work for it. They have to adjust to the fact that while they were the big fish in high school and may have not had to work hard to succeed, they are now a little fish in college and they must compete.

It is a transition - some make it faster than others.

That is not meant to reflect on JG - it is what is and it applies not only to football but other aspects of college as well.
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I don't think Butch has much accountability, if any at all, within this program anymore.

Players skip workouts, they still play.

Players make the same stupid mistakes over and over again, they still play.

The safeties repeatedly get beat over the top at the end of games to blow leads or ties, and nothing changes.

Coaches continue to pit out a shoddy product, the still coach at UT.
 
#448
#448
wmcovol said:
The QB coach from last 2 years is now at Indiana and received props on the OSU game telecast about being a bright QB coach.

Frankly, QD is much further along and ready to play at this level than Crompton was in 2008 after Cutcliffe left. JC was horrible that yr and much of the blame was that Cut didn't focus on him near as much the yr before.
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The OC isn't doing Dormady any favors. We should be running more than passing.
 
#449
#449
smokeybeach said:
100% agree with this. Butch kept saying QD is more athletic than we think and can run the full offense. Reality is he's about as effective as Peyton running the read option. I think we should be tying our future to JG who has that ability. every teams knows QD is not a running threat and if he does take off he's not going far.

And as far as our defense goes, from what I see, I don't see a huge change from pre Shoop to now. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big X O guy so maybe someone else can chime in on this.
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Sounds like the same thing that was said about Worley.
 
#450
#450
BeecherVol said:
Given neither played last year, you have no gauge until games are played.

It puts the spotlight on not having a QB coach for the problem given Dormady has been on campus 2 full years and JG for 1.
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yep. and as you start looking at the injury list...the top is being cut off the depth chart. so you're asking all these new guys (player and coach) to do more with less....again.

not an excuse. it just is what it is. it shouldn't be so detrimental to your season's success that you can't sustain injuries. but it doesn't help that every single injury we seem to have is as season freaking ender....to the best players at the position they play....at some of the thinnest position groups we have to begin with.

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