Where should the real credit go

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orangepeopleeater

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The last couple years the offense has struggled at times and many in the fan base was asking for his head. Now that the offense is doing much better they say all the credit is owed to Dooley. This is the same with the defense. They blame pretty much all the defense's problems on Sunseri and wanting to run him out, but it's not Dooley fault.
 
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It all is 190% the Head Coach's fault. It is under his watch. It is his team to ultimately dictate what is done with all phases of the team.
 
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Dooley was charged with making step changes to improve the team.

He improved the offense with a big step change improvement.

He was told to hire Sunseri by Hart. He did as told. The defense also made a step change but it was in the wrong direction.

That is why Hart is giving him a long leash. If he fires him now after being the Sunseri driving force, it would create chaos within the entire coaching community. UT would have a hard time hiring a mediocre "up and coming" coach, let alone a big name. Hart's only hope now is that Dooley either succeeds or falls on his sword on his own.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Dooley was charged with making step changes to improve the team.

He improved the offense with a big step change improvement.

He was told to hire Sunseri by Hart. He did as told. The defense also made a step change but it was in the wrong direction.

That is why Hart is giving him a long leash. If he fires him now after being the Sunseri driving force, it would create chaos within the entire coaching community. UT would have a hard time hiring a mediocre "up and coming" coach, let alone a big name. Hart's only hope now is that Dooley either succeeds or falls on his sword on his own.
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Then what is the use of having a offense and defensive coordinators when Dooley is doing everything on his own. This is exactly what I am saying. When things go great it's all Dooley, but when they turn bad they throw the coordinators under the bus. No matter what Dooley does he never can do wrong.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Then what is the use of having a offense and defensive coordinators when Dooley is doing everything on his own. This is exactly what I am saying. When things go great it's all Dooley, but when they turn bad they throw the coordinators under the bus. No matter what Dooley does he never can do wrong.
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Why not just say you hate Dooley instead of trolling?
orangepeopleeater said:
What happened to Chaney?
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He is the OC. Dooley retained him. He is an asset. His play calling is sometimes off the wall, but nobody is perfect.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Why not just say you hate Dooley instead of trolling?


One, I do not hate Dooley. I was behind him a 100% when he first became coach of UT. Then he started showing that he is over his head in the SEC. Like I always said, the coach is not the one all be all of any team. I support the team, but when the coach shows weakness it is time for a change. He lost his team in the Kentucky game and I really don't think he got them completely back. I do not get on here and "troll" like many like to label those they do not agree with. Just like any other Vol fan I have an opinion and like so many I just enjoy getting on this great forum and express it.
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after the 3rd qtr vs UF he should have relized that the d play calling was suspect when trey burton burned our entire D
 
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2007 Fulmer, Cutcliffe, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #73
Passing - #35
Total O - #54
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #73
Total D - #70
Scoring D- #61

2008 Fulmer, Clawson, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #88
Passing - #107
Total O - #115
Scoring - #110

Defense
Rushing - #12
Passing - #4
Total D - #3
Scoring D- #110

2009 Kiffin, Chaney, M. Kiffin

Offense
Rushing - #54
Passing - #49
Total O - #60
Scoring - #43

Defense
Rushing - #65
Passing - #12
Total D - #22
Scoring D- #38

2010 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #105
Passing - #30
Total O - #75
Scoring - #58

Defense
Rushing - #60
Passing - #81
Total D - #69
Scoring D- #56

2011 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #116
Passing - #50
Total O - #104
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #12
Total D - #28
Scoring D- #36

2012 Dooley, Chaney, Sunseri

Offense
Rushing - #62
Passing - #12
Total O - #18
Scoring - #24

Defense
Rushing - #90
Passing - #115
Total D - #112
Scoring D- #107

shocking how equally bad the Clawfense and Sunseri's d are.
 
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Dooley for offense
Dooley for defense
Dooley for special team

He gets the credit.....and he gets the blame. He knows that!
 
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That's right...i think...sanders then cut 2006, 07 right? My bad will fix
 
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vol66 said:
2007 Fulmer, Sanders, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #73
Passing - #35
Total O - #54
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #73
Total D - #70
Scoring D- #61

2008 Fulmer, Clawson, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #88
Passing - #107
Total O - #115
Scoring - #110

Defense
Rushing - #12
Passing - #4
Total D - #3
Scoring D- #110

2009 Kiffin, Chaney, M. Kiffin

Offense
Rushing - #54
Passing - #49
Total O - #60
Scoring - #43

Defense
Rushing - #65
Passing - #12
Total D - #22
Scoring D- #38

2010 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #105
Passing - #30
Total O - #75
Scoring - #58

Defense
Rushing - #60
Passing - #81
Total D - #69
Scoring D- #56

2011 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #116
Passing - #50
Total O - #104
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #12
Total D - #28
Scoring D- #36

2012 Dooley, Chaney, Sunseri

Offense
Rushing - #62
Passing - #12
Total O - #18
Scoring - #24

Defense
Rushing - #90
Passing - #115
Total D - #112
Scoring D- #107
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Jay Graham has the runningbacks going right direction, and Sal sank the defense.
 
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Kiffen was a dumbazz for dumping Chavis.

On a side note, did you know that trojans will deflate your balls?
 
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tnjonm79 said:
Jay Graham has the runningbacks going right direction, and Sal sank the defense.
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I think that is absolutely fair to say and you have to give Pittman credit too, because it's the same guys. I think Chaney benefits from having been here with Bray and gang from the beginning...they are all healthy, know the system and it has been custom tailored for Bray to have success. However, i'm not sure the coaches are great at developing the talent and they have a ton on the offensive side of the ball. I think the offense should be even better than it is, especially against the top SEC teams.

I think the stats show we would have been better off trying to keep Wilcox on. Dooley's comments about being more aggressive (scoring Defense) don't seem to hold water based on the stats.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath...In Fulmer's final season Chavis' defense was ranked #3 in the country, 1 spot ahead of Bama.

We haven't been able to run the ball in a long time.
 
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You guys crack me up. There is no correlation between any of these teams with their different schedules of opponents that you would have to factor in along with their records. Get real.

Dools knows very little about coordinating an O or a D. He attempted to hire coaches that did. Chaney was already there when he walked in. The O improved because of him, Pittman and Graham, not because Dools had anything to do with it. Two new competent coaches walked in to go with Hinshaw and they all figured it out. Add in CP and you end up with a very good O.

But Dools failed horribly on the D coaches the second time around. Hart didn't force him to take Sal. Dools thought he was better than Lance and he wanted to go with Saban's 3-4. It's not like he could go get anyone he wanted, the whole world saw the UK loss and bad season. Hot seat city after two losing seasons in a row. Hart approved the hire, so he's partially responsible. But he is a basketball guy. Two unproven assistants and one has been coach later and this is what you have. Goodbye, Dools.
 
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Vols4us said:
You guys crack me up. There is no correlation between any of these teams with their different schedules of opponents that you would have to factor in along with their records. Get real.

Dools knows very little about coordinating an O or a D. He attempted to hire coaches that did. Chaney was already there when he walked in. The O improved because of him, Pittman and Graham, not because Dools had anything to do with it. Two new competent coaches walked in to go with Hinshaw and they all figured it out. Add in CP and you end up with a very good O.

But Dools failed horribly on the D coaches the second time around. Hart didn't force him to take Sal. Dools thought he was better than Lance and he wanted to go with Saban's 3-4. It's not like he could go get anyone he wanted, the whole world saw the UK loss and bad season. Hot seat city after two losing seasons in a row. Hart approved the hire, so he's partially responsible. But he is a basketball guy. Two unproven assistants and one has been coach later and this is what you have. Goodbye, Dools.
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I put up the stats to show the correlation between stability and instability. What happens when Clawson comes in and with a completely different offense?

Did you know that not even the hole numbers were the same. Right is even, left is odd, nope the numbers changed every play based on the strength of the formation and so did the lineman. The players didn't know where to go. Crompton said all of that a week ago on the radio. Bad hire at a time when you can't afford it. Dooley has done the same thing.

The offense this year has benefited from stability and the defense is suffering from a lack of it. Lane Kiffin is the only coach to come in and not have some kind of learning curve, Monte on the otherhand...

You can't really compare Sanders and Cutcliffe because Sanders came up in Cut's system, so they are really doing the same thing...one is just better than the other.
 
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vol66 said:
2007 Fulmer, Cutcliffe, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #73
Passing - #35
Total O - #54
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #73
Total D - #70
Scoring D- #61

2008 Fulmer, Clawson, Chavis

Offense
Rushing - #88
Passing - #107
Total O - #115
Scoring - #110

Defense
Rushing - #12
Passing - #4
Total D - #3
Scoring D- #110

2009 Kiffin, Chaney, M. Kiffin

Offense
Rushing - #54
Passing - #49
Total O - #60
Scoring - #43

Defense
Rushing - #65
Passing - #12
Total D - #22
Scoring D- #38

2010 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #105
Passing - #30
Total O - #75
Scoring - #58

Defense
Rushing - #60
Passing - #81
Total D - #69
Scoring D- #56

2011 Dooley, Chaney, Wilcox

Offense
Rushing - #116
Passing - #50
Total O - #104
Scoring - #36

Defense
Rushing - #69
Passing - #12
Total D - #28
Scoring D- #36

2012 Dooley, Chaney, Sunseri

Offense
Rushing - #62
Passing - #12
Total O - #18
Scoring - #24

Defense
Rushing - #90
Passing - #115
Total D - #112
Scoring D- #107

shocking how equally bad the Clawfense and Sunseri's d are.
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Yes - but at least through this process we managed to greatly improve the defense at both LSU and Washington. :) In addition to bringing us Sal's d - is it true that Hart wouldn't renew the assistants contracts which may have contributed to some of them leaving?
 
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