Where is the dishonor?

#28
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UTVOLKeith said:
in losing to the teams we have lost to?

We could have won several games with better defensive preparation and scheme.

Assume next year Sal earns his money with an average defense. Then next year is not gonna be any better no matter who the coach is, so nothing really matters at this point as far as SEC championships.

The team has not quit and if that stays the same what more can anyone with half a brain ask at this point except why did you hire Sal.
Make a change or wait for us to reload on O and hope Sal has his stuff together by 2014.
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Great thread with an all new point of view. (not really)

The problem is we are not any better as a team then in 2010 when the roster was really bad. There has been zero improvement. It's not just that we're losing it's how were losing. Ifs ands and buts isn't going to change it.
 
#29
#29
KoachKletus said:
Thank you Titan&Volfan. On top of what you just stated - if Coach Dooley is let go - I think he deserves a ticker tape parade for the way he approached this job, the maturity level he brought to UT - and to the way he has handled all of the negativity brought towards him and his team. For all you fickle fair weather so-called fans, be very careful what you wish for. You can bet that any coach, if we need a new coach, is going to look long and hard at how the past few coaches were treated. We were once ThugU. That could easily be replaced by "REDNECKU" or "FAIRWEATHERU".
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You have alot of nerve calling people who want Dooley gone "fickle" and "fair weather" fans. You want to keep losing to Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and anyone who remotely matters every year? You want to keep bringing in mediocre recruiting classes? You want the program to keep losing revenue as fan and booster alike gets tired of paying for a lousy product? Then you aren't really a fan. You may be a guy who has a shrine to Dooley in his basement. You may get tingly every time you see his shiny head of hair on the sideline, but you sir are no Vol fan.
 
#30
#30
Titan&Volfan4life said:
Old Koach Kletus doesn't hold back and I respect that and i happen to agree with some of what he said.

Dishonor in losing to the SEC teams we lost to this season...No and HELL NO!!!

THINK realistically without your childish emotions controlling you for once folks.

Not including alaBubba...If we just had 3 to 5 plays in each game go differently we could be just a 1 or maybe a 2 loss team right now but I believe we beat UGA, MSU and probably floriDUHHH too with just 5 plays in that game going differently.

I can easily see where we could be a 1 loss team right now and ranked way up beyond what anyone should have expected for this season.

Our New 3-4 D...I've said since day 1 when CSS was hired that it takes 2 YEARS even in the NFL to get the 3-4 down pat and our D has lost us most of the games and if you think the 3-4 isn't good then look at the number 1 D in the country the last 2 years and it's Bama and Saban...The same Nick Saban that taught CDD and CSS every little thing about the 3-4 D so if you think our coaches don't know about the 3-4 then you're nuts but it DOES take 2 years to get it down perfect.

Now compare the player rosters....All the top SEC teams are STACKED with future NFL players in EVERY recruiting class so they have 40, 50 or more future NFL players on their rosters.

That's how our UT teams used to be stacked too but NOT after Fulmer and laMe destroyed us and UT has had very few guys drafted into the NFL in the last 4 or 5 years and not hardly any 1st round picks except for Berry.

In only his first 2 recruiting classes CDD has now brought us 18 to 20 future NFL players so look closely at our roster and start counting the guys that will probably play in the NFL by the time they graduate.

There's a few JUCO guys that are Juniors and the rest are only Sophs and freshmen with lots to learn still and lots of real game experience to get but by the time they graduate I can easily see 18 to 20 guys playing at UT that will play in the NFL.

Improved roster and real game experience WILL start adding up the Wins and that's how college football works and it doesn't come fast because of the 25 player rtecruiting limit.

CDD promised he would fix our running game and he DID that.

Has Bray and our WR's let us down alot this season and been worse that we expected...yes but that can't all be laid on coaching like most here want to do.

We ARE better and our roster is better and we WERE close to beating every team we lost to except Bama and with 2 more good recruiting classes with more future NFL players in them then Tennessee will be a VERY tough team to beat because we'll then have a D like or close to the D that alaBubba has.

Hate on this coaching staff all you like but in hindsight, which is always 20/20, realistic, mature people will agree with what I just said.

Don't expect many people on here to be realistic or logical because we just don't do that very well around here unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
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You are truly the worst ,most delusional and immature poster on here. Almost nothing you said is true. Your idol DD cannot coach and his recruiting is not that good. Most of these new future NFL players are Kiffin recruits and people he laid the ground work on. DD classes have gotten worse with less "NFL" talent every year.
 
#31
#31
UTVOLKeith said:
in losing to the teams we have lost to?

We could have won several games with better defensive preparation and scheme.

Assume next year Sal earns his money with an average defense. Then next year is not gonna be any better no matter who the coach is, so nothing really matters at this point as far as SEC championships.

The team has not quit and if that stays the same what more can anyone with half a brain ask at this point except why did you hire Sal.
Make a change or wait for us to reload on O and hope Sal has his stuff together by 2014.
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I am glad you weren't in charge in 1941, or we would all be speaking German today
 
#32
#32
KoachKletus said:
Thank you Titan&Volfan. On top of what you just stated - if Coach Dooley is let go - I think he deserves a ticker tape parade for the way he approached this job, the maturity level he brought to UT - and to the way he has handled all of the negativity brought towards him and his team. For all you fickle fair weather so-called fans, be very careful what you wish for. You can bet that any coach, if we need a new coach, is going to look long and hard at how the past few coaches were treated. We were once ThugU. That could easily be replaced by "REDNECKU" or "FAIRWEATHERU".
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Spoken like a true Vandy fan. Dooley isn't a 2 y/o he understands you don't keep your job anywhere in the SEC with a record like his. The "past few" coaches have not been mistreated by anyone. Go change your panties
 
#33
#33
KoachKletus said:
What was your expectation at the beginning of the season? 8-4, 9-3? Just wondering.
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It isn't necessarily how many losses we have it is how the team has looked on the field all season.

Our defense can't even line up in the correct positions.

Our secondary makes even poor passing teams look stellar.

Our kickers can't make a decent punt, kick an extra point, or a field goal with any reliability.

We make really dumb calls on offense like throwing the bomb on 3rd down and 1 - not just once but repeatedly even though our running game is working and the bomb hasn't worked on that type of play previously.

Most of these things are not problems for decently coached high school teams. Derek Dooley was a below average WAC coach who is now in way over his head in the SEC. The faster everyone realizes reality, the less pain for everyone involved.
 
#34
#34
Titan&Volfan4life said:
Old Koach Kletus doesn't hold back and I respect that and i happen to agree with some of what he said.

Dishonor in losing to the SEC teams we lost to this season...No and HELL NO!!!

THINK realistically without your childish emotions controlling you for once folks.

Not including alaBubba...If we just had 3 to 5 plays in each game go differently we could be just a 1 or maybe a 2 loss team right now but I believe we beat UGA, MSU and probably floriDUHHH too with just 5 plays in that game going differently.

I can easily see where we could be a 1 loss team right now and ranked way up beyond what anyone should have expected for this season.

Our New 3-4 D...I've said since day 1 when CSS was hired that it takes 2 YEARS even in the NFL to get the 3-4 down pat and our D has lost us most of the games and if you think the 3-4 isn't good then look at the number 1 D in the country the last 2 years and it's Bama and Saban...The same Nick Saban that taught CDD and CSS every little thing about the 3-4 D so if you think our coaches don't know about the 3-4 then you're nuts but it DOES take 2 years to get it down perfect.

Now compare the player rosters....All the top SEC teams are STACKED with future NFL players in EVERY recruiting class so they have 40, 50 or more future NFL players on their rosters.

That's how our UT teams used to be stacked too but NOT after Fulmer and laMe destroyed us and UT has had very few guys drafted into the NFL in the last 4 or 5 years and not hardly any 1st round picks except for Berry.

In only his first 2 recruiting classes CDD has now brought us 18 to 20 future NFL players so look closely at our roster and start counting the guys that will probably play in the NFL by the time they graduate.

There's a few JUCO guys that are Juniors and the rest are only Sophs and freshmen with lots to learn still and lots of real game experience to get but by the time they graduate I can easily see 18 to 20 guys playing at UT that will play in the NFL.

Improved roster and real game experience WILL start adding up the Wins and that's how college football works and it doesn't come fast because of the 25 player rtecruiting limit.

CDD promised he would fix our running game and he DID that.

Has Bray and our WR's let us down alot this season and been worse that we expected...yes but that can't all be laid on coaching like most here want to do.

We ARE better and our roster is better and we WERE close to beating every team we lost to except Bama and with 2 more good recruiting classes with more future NFL players in them then Tennessee will be a VERY tough team to beat because we'll then have a D like or close to the D that alaBubba has.

Hate on this coaching staff all you like but in hindsight, which is always 20/20, realistic, mature people will agree with what I just said.

Don't expect many people on here to be realistic or logical because we just don't do that very well around here unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Wait your saying Dooley had two classes right? So you don't give him credit for the 2010 class which was mainly Kiffin anyway. If thats true please name the 18-20 can't miss NFL players from the 2011 and 2012 class. Truth is a large majority of NFL talent on this team was from the 2010 class which most people don't even give Dooley credit for. The 2011 and 2012 classes are very average and the 2013 class looks to be more of the same even a little more average then the previous two.

Look da plane da plane....ahhhh welcome to fantasy island
 
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#35
#35
Jackson_Harris said:
I am glad you weren't in charge in 1941, or we would all be speaking German today
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WWII was the greatest of the USA

but we could have been a little more trusting of what we knew in the fog of D day 1942 imfho

I am i being critical?

We could have lost some of the fleet...
 
#36
#36
KoachKletus said:
Admirable post 1967vol. Up until the 'bammer debacle, this team was basically 6-7 plays away from being undefeated. I really think this is the reason so many fans are upset. We were so close and couldn't pull it through. Hell, I'm upset. But the last thing I'm going to do is call the season quits, or blame it on Dooley, or blame it on the players. It's a combination of many things. To go one step further, as whiney and *****y as this fan base is, let's just call it kismet.
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How quickly we forget the Florida game.
 
#37
#37
SlyStone said:
How quickly we forget the Florida game.
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yes we do

muschump went for it on a fake pnut cause he knew he was fooked

then well helll...

i still blame Sal

and i still know muschump is a fool
lol

hope ur not buying into the chump
 
#38
#38
UTVOLKeith said:
WWII was the greatest of the USA

but we could have been a little more trusting of what we knew in the fog of D day 1942 imfho

I am i being critical?

We could have lost some of the fleet...
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Uh, d day was in 1944 me thinks......sorry to be THAT guy
 
#42
#42
GmanTN said:
The team this year looks like the teams the past 2 years and that is not well coached nor fundamentally sound. There have been 2 improvements this season over the previous 2 and that is the Oline is blocking better (thanks Coach Pittman) and the RB's are running much better (thanks Coach Graham). Everything else looks the same or worse and extending another year to DD is not going to correct all that is wrong with this team. DD has come in and put out a lot of fires and restored stability but has failed to get his teams any better prepared and that is coaching. These kids that come here to play deserve to be better coached if we are to continue our tradition of winning.

Saban, Spurrier, Miles and Dooley all stop in on a 5 star recruit for a home visit.

Saban, Spurrier, Miles and Gruden all stop in on the same 5 star recruit.

Which option gives us the best chance at landing the 5 star recruit?
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hire spurrier!!!
 
#44
#44
KoachKletus said:
We got stomped by 'bammer. The other losses this team was in it. Much better than the 2011 season. Call me an enabler, sunshine pumper, doolaid drinker, whatever, but this is a better team than last year. The record may not reflect it, but the team is better. One simply cannot discount the improvement. One must also keep in mind that Coach Dooley is working with 7 new assistant coaches.
Our fan base, to put it mildly, wants to take out basically ten years of frustration on Coach Dooley. Granted, he may not be the man for the job, but he is here and done a fine job of stabilizing a ****fire. In my opinion, it's a damn low down and classless bunch of fickle fans that want Dooley fired.
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Kletus, I am right there with you except for one point. We have had a couple of penalties for lining up incorrectly on punts, we had a senior let a pooch kick drop in front of him and State recover it, we've thrown deep too many times on 3rd and short/reasonable (with the ability to run - big improvement btw), we can't get lined up right on D (not that we can tell until we give up huge play), CP is getting about 6-8 too few touches on O, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better 7 games into the season.

Mississippi State had one penalty for ten yards and zero turnovers. We had six penalties for 64 yards and three turnovers. We lost to a very disciplined team...I guess that means well coached. I am afraid we are not.

I played HS football at McCallie for Pete Potter. We were pretty much undersized, outnumbered and out-athleted (how's that for a word?) every week but were very fundamentally sound and well conditioned. We won way more than our share of games.

I hope it isn't that I have been brainwashed by the 50 Fire Dooley - He's an Idiot threads on here every day, but I am starting to think we are not a really well coached team. Agreed we don't have 2 deep talent like Bama, LSU, and FL, but shouldn't we have made some improvement on the above at this point?
 
#46
#46
KoachKletus said:
Admirable post 1967vol. Up until the 'bammer debacle, this team was basically 6-7 plays away from being undefeated. I really think this is the reason so many fans are upset. We were so close and couldn't pull it through. Hell, I'm upset. But the last thing I'm going to do is call the season quits, or blame it on Dooley, or blame it on the players. It's a combination of many things. To go one step further, as whiney and *****y as this fan base is, let's just call it kismet.
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There's plenty of mediocre teams that are 6-7 plays away from being undefeated. The difference is great coaches (and players that believe in the system) get those 6-7 plays to go their way. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We get out coached (not just outplayed) every freaking game.
 
#47
#47
DemocratVol said:
There's plenty of mediocre teams that are 6-7 plays away from being undefeated. The difference is great coaches (and players that believe in the system) get those 6-7 plays to go their way. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We get out coached (not just outplayed) every freaking game.
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and you're a democrat?

shame man shame
 
#50
#50
the same people are gonna be raping the new coach next year

my question is why do you that?

next year is gonna suck!!!!!

big hairy big foot things...

nothing is gonna stop it
this year is gone guys
we lost it
we had a chance but defense was ah well well hell i dont know

how can someone put that on the field??
 
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