where in the constitution that says...

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we cannot ban foreigners temporarily from coming into America. if they are not citizen, then how are we abusing rights they don't have as American citizen?

we have a visa process, is it illegal to to stop handing out visas whenever we want?
 
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We don't necessarily need to block them all, just the muslims. Amirite?!

Who cares about the mexicans, they're just looking for some hard labor they're not the ones trying to kill Americans.
 
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The founding fathers actually said we can't accept immigration from places that hate us.
 
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It's a reasonable request and safeguard to in sure who's coming to this country is not someone who has bad intentions
 
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I don't post much, but anyone that rolls in here to talk crap about this action is delusional and damn near an enemy of the USA.

This needed to happen and should have been done 8yrs ago. With the actual proven threats we face, open borders and no vetting process is insane.

Be Safe,

CH_V
 
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CopperHead_Vol said:
I don't post much, but anyone that rolls in here to talk crap about this action is delusional and damn near an enemy of the USA.

This needed to happen and should have been done 8yrs ago. With the actual proven threats we face, open borders and no vetting process is insane.

Be Safe,

CH_V
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I think most people are in favor of a vetting process for people coming from SPECIFIC PLACES that we know yield a lot of terrorism. Someone coming from certain parts of Libya or Syria, for example.

I, for one, think that the vetting process should place the burden of proof on the person who wants to come to the US to demonstrate lack of ties to terrorist organizations, or a tendency to radicalization.

On the other hand, what do you do about a 25 year old man, of Muslim faith, that came to, let's say France, 3 years ago, from one of those places, and who now wants to come to the US?

I think most people have a problem with making assumptions about him, based just on that.

The line between rationally wanting to be sure that a person from a particular area is not an obvious threat, versus acting on assumptions about an entire religion that are just too broad and cannot be justified, is a thin one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think most people are in favor of a vetting process for people coming from SPECIFIC PLACES that we know yield a lot of terrorism. Someone coming from certain parts of Libya or Syria, for example.

I, for one, think that the vetting process should place the burden of proof on the person who wants to come to the US to demonstrate lack of ties to terrorist organizations, or a tendency to radicalization.

On the other hand, what do you do about a 25 year old man, of Muslim faith, that came to, let's say France, 3 years ago, from one of those places, and who now wants to come to the US?

I think most people have a problem with making assumptions about him, based just on that.

The line between rationally wanting to be sure that a person from a particular area is not an obvious threat, versus acting on assumptions about an entire religion that are just too broad and cannot be justified, is a thin one.
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Unless that 25 year old muslim from France intends to fly to Mexico and cross our border illegally, the wall shouldn't be an issue for him.
 
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hog88 said:
Unless that 25 year old muslim from France intends to fly to Mexico and cross our border illegally, the wall shouldn't be an issue for him.
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And, unless the wall exists, all of LG's talk about proper vetting is useless blowhard.
 
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joevol320 said:
we cannot ban foreigners temporarily from coming into America. if they are not citizen, then how are we abusing rights they don't have as American citizen?

we have a visa process, is it illegal to to stop handing out visas whenever we want?
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I think this is a good start at controlling terrorist from entering the country.

I would like to see (if possible) trump try to speed up the process of families adopting children from overseas as well as make it easier for foster children in this country to be adopted. It amazes me that a professional sports team can expedite the work visa process to get a superstar play but a family waits 12-18 months to be able to get a child here
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I think this is a good start at controlling terrorist from entering the country.

I would like to see (if possible) trump try to speed up the process of families adopting children from overseas as well as make it easier for foster children in this country to be adopted. It amazes me that a professional sports team can expedite the work visa process to get a superstar play but a family waits 12-18 months to be able to get a child here
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I'd like to see the adoption process here simplified and made cheaper then once the inventory is low on American children work on foreign adoption.
 
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hog88 said:
Unless that 25 year old muslim from France intends to fly to Mexico and cross our border illegally, the wall shouldn't be an issue for him.
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i was speaking to just the Muslim immigration issue, not the wall.
 
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joevol320 said:
we cannot ban foreigners temporarily from coming into America. if they are not citizen, then how are we abusing rights they don't have as American citizen?

we have a visa process, is it illegal to to stop handing out visas whenever we want?
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So, check joevol now completely okay with same sex marriage, since nowhere in the Constitution does it ban it.
 
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hog88 said:
I'd like to see the adoption process here simplified and made cheaper then once the inventory is low on American children work on foreign adoption.
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I understand the fear of adopting a US born child but I agree. Way to many kids in foster care here and the hoops you have to jump through to adopt them are ridiculous
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think most people are in favor of a vetting process for people coming from SPECIFIC PLACES that we know yield a lot of terrorism. Someone coming from certain parts of Libya or Syria, for example.

I, for one, think that the vetting process should place the burden of proof on the person who wants to come to the US to demonstrate lack of ties to terrorist organizations, or a tendency to radicalization.

On the other hand, what do you do about a 25 year old man, of Muslim faith, that came to, let's say France, 3 years ago, from one of those places, and who now wants to come to the US?

I think most people have a problem with making assumptions about him, based just on that.

The line between rationally wanting to be sure that a person from a particular area is not an obvious threat, versus acting on assumptions about an entire religion that are just too broad and cannot be justified, is a thin one.
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Agreed...
 
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the issue is the bad guys already have fake IDs. if we are only slowing down the guys from specific places, they can easily get an ID from a more acceptable country. then they get to the border and their ID is checked and they are cleared faster, without a deep enough process to catch the forgery, because the forgery is for a "better" country.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I understand the fear of adopting a US born child but I agree. Way to many kids in foster care here and the hoops you have to jump through to adopt them are ridiculous
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We tried to adopt once (US kid) but when the reality of the costs and the PITA factor hit us we had to give up. We didn't have the money at the time to go through the process and then actually raise another kid.

We have friends that have adopted from Russia, eastern Europe and China because it was cheaper and easier, that's wrong.
 
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LouderVol said:
the issue is the bad guys already have fake IDs. if we are only slowing down the guys from specific places, they can easily get an ID from a more acceptable country. then they get to the border and their ID is checked and they are cleared faster, without a deep enough process to catch the forgery, because the forgery is for a "better" country.
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So you are saying this whole exercise is like the criminals/guns thing?

That is, if ISIS is going to the trouble to train, finance, and try to plant someone here, they will go to the trouble to find a way to fake credentials for entry? To bypass the system envisioned by Trump and his people?

So the only people who will be caught up in this are non-terrorists who just want to immigrate.

Interesting .....
 
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lawgator1 said:
So you are saying this whole exercise is like the criminals/guns thing?

That is, if ISIS is going to the trouble to train, finance, and try to plant someone here, they will go to the trouble to find a way to fake credentials for entry? To bypass the system envisioned by Trump and his people?

So the only people who will be caught up in this are non-terrorists who just want to immigrate.

Interesting .....
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No, the ability to immigrate isn't a constitutionally protected right spelled out precisely in the bill of rights.
 
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volprof said:
So, check joevol now completely okay with same sex marriage, since nowhere in the Constitution does it ban it.
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And what does the U.S. Constitution say about issues not addressed? Where does it mention the issue of marriage? So who should address and make law on these issues?
 
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