Where I believe this is all heading.

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
A friend passes on the notion that schools will eventually pay players and those players will be legally considered school employees, and therefore in many states including TN, STATE employees. I think that's reasonable to assume.

The other shoe?

When the college players file their CTE lawsuit, the state..... meaning the taxpayers..... are on the hook for a multi billion dollar payout. I'm unsure if the state is self insured for these kinds of things or not but I'm uncomfy getting into a business with a massive lawsuit looming outside its door.

I'm growing daily to dislike the idea of schools getting in the pro sports business but I'm not sure how we can avoid the landslide in that direction.
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This idea has been tossed around, but NO ONE wants it apparently. Huge issues come with making them employees. Imo you just keep increasing their stipends, if anything.

Fwiw, a large AD like UT's is pretty self-sufficient. I think any payments/lawsuits would fall back on the AD...which could also claim limited ability to payout, unlike the entire state. Could be wrong, but I imagine it would go like that. But yeah...another reason they don't want them as employees.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
I have never been a fan of a four team play-off. There are several teams that in the past could have been the best team at the end of the season that were left out. expanding to a 16 team format would eliminate any possibility of the Scott Frost UCF National Championship claim.
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Agreed!
 
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kcvols1 said:
This is an idiotic statement, but college sports certainly aren’t as popular there as they are here.
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It was made more in mockery/hyperbole but you get the point. The West Coast is just not interested in college sports no matter what the Pac12 schools do. Oregon might be the exception, Oregon Ducks seem to have energy and support.
 
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Devo182 said:
Lol. Yes we need more great teams all in 1 league. Just wreck the entire sport while Sankey is at it. Shortsighted greed.
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Think about getting Gainesville out of the places we go visit.

That would like rezoning the trailer park outside the city limits.
 
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volbound1700 said:
It was made more in mockery/hyperbole but you get the point. The West Coast is just not interested in college sports no matter what the Pac12 schools do. Oregon might be the exception, Oregon Ducks seem to have energy and support.
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Word. LA is a Dodger/Laker town. The Bay has Giants/Warriors. Rams have almost always been a non entity in general, the Chargers are really still an SD team. I think most of the Niners fans live in Vegas or SLC now, along with the Raiders.

I actually know several Oakland refugees here in Atlanta. Real estate just got out of hand for most locals to stay within two hours of their hometowns.
 
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volbound1700 said:
It was made more in mockery/hyperbole but you get the point. The West Coast is just not interested in college sports no matter what the Pac12 schools do. Oregon might be the exception, Oregon Ducks seem to have energy and support.
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Which is ironic considering UCLA and Stanford play the most sports in the NCAA, at least they did until Covid.
There’s some crazy stat I heard where if UCLA was a country they would have the 5th most medals in Olympic competition.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
More likely to be 4x 20 team conferences. I think that there are 64 P-5 members plus Notre Dame and BYU for a total of 66. Which two get booted out? Adding 14 to the mix ruffles fewer feathers and cuts down on litigation. Could even have rotating provisional spots for some and include others.

Or just kick Vandy and another out of the mix.
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Unless they just go cutthroat and say team x, team y add no value to our bottom line and best of luck, I agree 20 teams in four conferences will be the final resting spot. It makes basketball, etc. easier to maintain as well. If I'm a Kansas St, Texas Tech, TCU, etc. I'm pretty nervous right now. They'll be in the convo of being left in the dark if it's only 16 teams per. Here is where I see it heading 5-7 years from now.

PAC 12
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Fresno St.

Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
San Diego St.

Utah
BYU
Colorado
Boise St
UNLV

Arizona
Arizona St
TX Tech
Baylor
TCU

Big 10
Kansas
Kansas St
Nebraska
Iowa
Iowa St

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois
Buffalo

ND (I know they'll probably be ACC bound, but it makes 0 sense)
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan St

Penn St
Ohio St
Cinci
Rutgers
Maryland

ACC
Boston College
UCONN
PITT
Syracuse
WV

UNC
Duke
Wake
NC ST
ECU

App St
Virginia
VTECH
Charlotte
Clemson

Louisville
FL ST
Miami
Tulane
Georgia Tech

SEC
Ok St
OKLA
Texas
Mizzou
ARK

LSU
Houston
Memphis
Ole Miss
MS ST

Georgia
SCAR
Florida
UCF
USF

TENN
Alabama
Auburn
UK
Vandy
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Reading all these posts makes me sad. College football as well knew it is dead. Players will no longer be playing for the love of the game. It is basically like a minor league now. I just hope the bands/traditions/pageantry/etc are enough to keep my love for the sport alive.
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I honestly don't mind the higher level athletes finally "getting theirs", I just hope that not too many small school programs are squeezed out and end up dying. Lower level college football is a way out of s****y situations for so, so many young men.
 
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It will be a power struggle and it’s unlikely that there will be an orderly set of 4x 20 team conferences ending up neatly in 4x competing and cooperating entities. A very real possibility is that the SEC will attempt to add as many big names as possible while the Big10 and PAC12 merge into a single, competing entity for two “football” organizations.

If the Big10 and PAC12 merge then they can retain their regional identities as the Big10 and PACxx “divisions” and have the Rose Bowl as their “Super Bowl”. A huge unknown would be can the ACC survive as a separate entity or will the SEC and a merged Big10/PAC12 entity fight over the pieces. Everything is divided into two groups and they eventually collude or have a truce and reorganize as a single football league not too unlike the NFL-AFL merger.

The NCAA is the odd man out and becomes basketball only. Then of course, where do the minor sports fall in line? It’s already kind of silly for the WVU/Baylor and Missouri/FL volleyball, softball, and baseball teams to crisscross the country while losing money for home and away matchups.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Which is ironic considering UCLA and Stanford play the most sports in the NCAA, at least they did until Covid.
There’s some crazy stat I heard where if UCLA was a country they would have the 5th most medals in Olympic competition.
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They definitely play the most Olympic sports and overall the Pac12 is a great Athletic Conference. The issue is that only 2-3 sports make money: Football, Men's Basketball, and for some programs, Women's Basketball. Once you get past those three sports, the fan interest collapses and some does the revenue.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It will be a power struggle and it’s unlikely that there will be an orderly set of 4x 20 team conferences ending up neatly in 4x competing and cooperating entities. A very real possibility is that the SEC will attempt to add as many big names as possible while the Big10 and PAC12 merge into a single, competing entity for two “football” organizations.

If the Big10 and PAC12 merge then they can retain their regional identities as the Big10 and PACxx “divisions” and have the Rose Bowl as their “Super Bowl”. A huge unknown would be can the ACC survive as a separate entity or will the SEC and a merged Big10/PAC12 entity fight over the pieces. Everything is divided into two groups and they eventually collude or have a truce and reorganize as a single football league not too unlike the NFL-AFL merger.

The NCAA is the odd man out and becomes basketball only. Then of course, where do the minor sports fall in line? It’s already kind of silly for the WVU/Baylor and Missouri/FL volleyball, softball, and baseball teams to crisscross the country while losing money for home and away matchups.
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The current state has evolved to this point over a very long period of time. It's going to be a messy unwinding process.
 
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There are academic reasons that a lot of large midwestern schools will never be invited into the Big10, which includes Kansas State and Iowa State. The Pac12 will never invite BYU. Nobody wants to play games in Boise in November, which means they will not get invited anywhere. Buffalo to a super conference is laughable.
 
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golfballs said:
The current state has evolved to this point over a very long period of time. It's going to be a messy unwinding process.
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Question is, how big are the gaps between the current financials of each existing league? The SEC and Big10 you would think are extremely wealthy (or generating the most revenue that they don’t save). Is the PAC12 in the ball park? Does basketball generate enough revenue to keep the ACC in the mix. Apparently the Big12 has been relegated to the kiddie table and might best be the big dog of the next group and will only be able to bully the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MW, and Sunbelt. Notre Dame and BYU have seats at the big table. Army, Liberty, UConn, UMass, and New Mexico State are waiting to be told where they can sit.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
There are academic reasons that a lot of large midwestern schools will never be invited into the Big10, which includes Kansas State and Iowa State. The Pac12 will never invite BYU. Nobody wants to play games in Boise in November, which means they will not get invited anywhere. Buffalo to a super conference is laughable.
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Academic integrity has been a slow burn for a while now. Are Rutgers, Nebraska, and Maryland that much better than ISU and KSU?

Provo, UT for BYU. Not Idaho.
 
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volbound1700 said:
They definitely play the most Olympic sports and overall the Pac12 is a great Athletic Conference. The issue is that only 2-3 sports make money: Football, Men's Basketball, and for some programs, Women's Basketball. Once you get past those three sports, the fan interest collapses and some does the revenue.
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Agreed. They really need to pick it up. I blame the PAC12 for a lot of the issues we’ve been having with the regionalization of the college football. I would love to see USC make a comeback, I think it would make the game better . If they can’t get better now that NIL is full go they never will.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Academic integrity has been a slow burn for a while now. Are Rutgers, Nebraska, and Maryland that much better than ISU and KSU?

Provo, UT for BYU. Not Idaho.
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It's about money. All Big10 schools except Nebraska are members of an academic association that steers massive amounts of research dollars their way. the only SEC schools that qualify are A&M, UF, Mizzou and Vandy. The only Big12 schools that qualify are Texas and Kansas. for them to admit another non member it would take a program with the history and fanbase of Nebraska that can give them grounds to renegotiate their TV deal for more money.

Also, I was looking at an earlier post that put Boise and BYU in the PAC12 and opining as to why neither will ever happen. BYU's only real shot at a conference will be with whatever is left of the Big12, but BYU may be better off financially staying an independent.
 
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99gator said:
I believe there will be 4, 16 school superconferences.

Those schools will break away from the NCAA. They will have new contracts for various things that include a negotiated cut for athletes.

Don't know how long it will take to reach this end game, but that's what I think is the kind of thing that ultimately happens.
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I see it eventually going even further.

The Big10 and The Pac12 have long had a tight relationship and the SEC and ACC too. You have many in-state "rivalries" between the ACC and SEC.

I see eventually there being two 32 team leagues. The Big10/Pac12 melding into one and the SEC/ACC melding into the other.

Your "playoffs" will become much like pro sports where one league has a six team post season and the other league does the same, eventually leading to an "us vs them" championship, just like the four main pro sports do.
 
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