Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#2,701
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Orangeslice13 said:
My personal bias is well documented in these forums. for those of you who don't know, I'm a Conservative religious nut job. I believe G-d created all things billions of years ago and gave it a push. from there everything evolved after it's own kind. My question is for those who come from an opposing view point.
How did life spontaneously start form non living mater?
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It was certainly not created by a man in the sky in 7 days and nights. That originally came from Greek/Roman mythology, as did a lot of the stories Bible.

The human mind cannot imagine how the universe started, or if the universe started. And we'll probably never know.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You quoted scripture and gave my faulty interpretation of it that wasn’t close to accurate.
The accusations of willfully distorting or twisting the words of Messiah are not what I’d call friendly.


I’m sorry
Your sorry
Everyone is sorry.

Let’s just forget it.
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I am willing to forget it, but would like to clarify one last bit out of respect for our relationship...

I apologize that I allowed that interpretation. I didn't mean that you willingly twist scripture. As I've said many times, I believe you honestly and fervently believe what you believe, as you've said in the past that you consider me to honestly believe as I do.

In our previous discussions, you've made it clear that you believe Paul is taken out of context, that Peter says his writings are hard, so Christians get it wrong. You've said that you believe classical Christian interpretations to put Paul in conflict with Messiah, so you will reject Paul in favor of Christ.

I was speaking to methodological approaches and not motives. Again, I apologize for phrasing it in any way that didn't make that clear.
 
#2,703
#2,703
Slice, you never did address that scripture in Zechariah 12:10 when JEHOVAH said,'Zechariah 12:10 (KJV)
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Was that speaking about the crucified Lord Jesus? If not, please explain.:whistling:
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
It was certainly not created by a man in the sky in 7 days and nights. That originally came from Greek/Roman mythology, as did a lot of the stories Bible.

The human mind cannot imagine how the universe started, or if the universe started. And we'll probably never know.
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Hey
Where have you been?
Did you come here to gloat over Mays because y’all can have him.

Good to see you
 
#2,707
#2,707
Orange_Crush said:
I am willing to forget it, but would like to clarify one last bit out of respect for our relationship...

I apologize that I allowed that interpretation. I didn't mean that you willingly twist scripture. As I've said many times, I believe you honestly and fervently believe what you believe, as you've said in the past that you consider me to honestly believe as I do.

In our previous discussions, you've made it clear that you believe Paul is taken out of context, that Peter says his writings are hard, so Christians get it wrong. You've said that you believe classical Christian interpretations to put Paul in conflict with Messiah, so you will reject Paul in favor of Christ.

I was speaking to methodological approaches and not motives. Again, I apologize for phrasing it in any way that didn't make that clear.
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Paul is very complicated. At one point I outright rejected him for telling 3 different conversion stories. As I researched it future I was able to reconcile those appearances of inconsistencies. Imo it’s very important to take the context of Paul into account when reading him.
The real turning point for me with Paul was the Nazerite vow. You don’t go to the temple fast and shave your head in support of Torah and then teach against it. But I digress.
Being around the COC guys for years it biases my conversations with other Christians. Traditionaly they are clueless on context.
For example they use the vs about coming together at the end of sabbath and talking till midnight then travel the in the morning to justify the end of sabbath or moving it till Sunday
Reality is sabbath ends at sundown and talking till midnight would be Saturday night not Sunday night. They traveled on Sunday not Monday. Context is important with Paul.
But I’m rambling so......



Again
I’m sorry
You’re sorry
it’s best if we just move on.
 
#2,708
#2,708
I could really get people going on the timing of the resurrection. It helps to understand Passover and the high sabbath vs the weekly sabbath. But the net result is Messiah was in the tomb long before Friday and rose Saturday evening. He was dead three complete days not Friday night till Sunday morning.


And with that I have to go for a few hours.

Y’all are welcome.
 
#2,709
#2,709
Orangeslice13 said:
I could really get people going on the timing of the resurrection. It helps to understand Passover and the high sabbath vs the weekly sabbath. But the net result is Messiah was in the tomb long before Friday and rose Saturday evening. He was dead three complete days not Friday night till Sunday morning.


And with that I have to go for a few hours.

Y’all are welcome.
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I very much agree with this. :clapping: I believe that he was crucified Wed and resurrected Sat night.:hi:
 
#2,710
#2,710
Orangeslice13 said:
Paul is very complicated. At one point I outright rejected him for telling 3 different conversion stories. As I researched it future I was able to reconcile those appearances of inconsistencies. Imo it’s very important to take the context of Paul into account when reading him.
The real turning point for me with Paul was the Nazerite vow. You don’t go to the temple fast and shave your head in support of Torah and then teach against it. But I digress.
Being around the COC guys for years it biases my conversations with other Christians. Traditionaly they are clueless on context.
For example they use the vs about coming together at the end of sabbath and talking till midnight then travel the in the morning to justify the end of sabbath or moving it till Sunday
Reality is sabbath ends at sundown and talking till midnight would be Saturday night not Sunday night. They traveled on Sunday not Monday. Context is important with Paul.
But I’m rambling so......



Again
I’m sorry
You’re sorry
it’s best if we just move on.
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I agree per context. Per his Nazarite vow, just to defend my contextual clues, he was also the guy that said that he would be a Jew to the Jews and a gentile to the Gentiles. He would be all things to all people that he may win some.

He also pointedly said that it was OK to eat meat sacrificed to idols, and wouldn't eat meat sacrificed to idols, so as not to stumble a brother.

In other words, he met people where they were so that he would have platform to minister to them. He asked Timothy to get a circumcision, while also writing the book of Galatians against the party of circumcision. Why? Because he knew that Timothy would be a stumbling block to the observant Jews he'd be trying to minister to.

I agree. Context. :hi:
 
#2,711
#2,711
UGADawg4Life said:
It was certainly not created by a man in the sky in 7 days and nights. That originally came from Greek/Roman mythology, as did a lot of the stories Bible.

The human mind cannot imagine how the universe started, or if the universe started. And we'll probably never know.
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You're right, it wasn't created in seven days and nights by a man, it was created in six days by God! :p
 
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BigO95 said:
He's God, he could do it anyway he wanted to! :yes: Why don't you ask the Lord that? You will stand before him someday, ask him then. :eek:hmy:
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That's the point. If he can do it anyway, why six days? Is he lazy?

Like I said above, the idea of him instantly creating everything makes sense. The idea of him setting into a motion all the events that happened over trillions of years also makes sense.

But 6 days? Gtfo
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's the point. If he can do it anyway, why six days? Is he lazy?

Like I said above, the idea of him instantly creating everything makes sense. The idea of him setting into a motion all the events that happened over trillions of years also makes sense.

But 6 days? Gtfo
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God is the author of the bible, not me! I'm just telling you what it says. :) And you haven't given me one good reason to take your word over Gods! :hi:
 
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Vol8188 said:
Creating everything instantly would've made a lot of sense. Or the theory that merges science and religion (the idea of God setting things into motion) also makes sense.

But 6 days? That just seems silly
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Not to me, and why would your opinion be any better than mine anyhow? :unsure: Show me some proof and you better make it easy for a poor stupid hick like me... :crazy:
Please feel free to educate me, apparently you think that I need some help.:)
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
He apparently did need someone else to write it down for him.
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He just sovereignly chose to do it that way! :hi: There is a vast difference in needing and choosing. of coarse you know that, I'm not trying to be a smarty pants.
 
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#2,722
MercyPercy said:
What do you think, OC? Despite our differences I respect your opinion. Do You think the current evidence for creationism warrants it being part of science class? Knowing what the context of a science classroom is meant to be?

If so, what would you teach specifically?
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Sorry I missed this, MP. I think there's nothing wrong with presenting alternatives to evolution and would be OK with some type of Intelligent Design argument as a scientific alternative to naturalistic evolutionary theory, as long as it wasn't taught from a merely Christian perspective.

Personally, I think there are a lot of weaknesses in the evolutionary theory and I don't see a problem presenting such weaknesses/problems.

However, I don't get worked up about it, as I don't think it's my job to raise other people's kids, nor the state's job to raise mine. I can take the responsibility in helping educate mine, and teaching them within the home.
 
#2,723
#2,723
BigO95 said:
Not to me, and why would your opinion be any better than mine anyhow? :unsure: Show me some proof and you better make it easy for a poor stupid hick like me... :crazy:
Please feel free to educate me, apparently you think that I need some help.:)
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You said he can do anything. Doesn't make sense that it would take a Devine being 6 days.
 
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BigO95 said:
He just sovereignly chose to do it that way! :hi: There is a vast difference in needing and choosing. of coarse you know that, I'm not trying to be a smarty pants.
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So he choose the route that was most likely to lead to the corruption of his word? That seems like a terrible decision
 
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