Where can we get the crack the experts are smoking?

#76
#76
FightinQuaker said:
in 2005 we both finished 3-5 in the sec and they won the head-to-head. if you want to claim that as a tie in the standings to make yourself feel better, go ahead.
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I think you are smoking some of the crack mentioned by the OP. Are you really going to stick with the comment that UK won the head-to-head in 2005?

If you aren't aware of a 25 year win steak against UK then I seriously question your fanhood.


Edit: My bad, just realized that you were talking about Vandy and not KY.
 
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#77
#77
VolBeef88 said:
So we can't judge him by what he has or has not done in the past? If we don't judge a coach by his past then what the hell do we judge a coach on?
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Pre-hire? Sure... But he's our coach now. What the #*@! good does it do to ***** ad nauseam about it? Now is the time to either hope he proves you wrong and turns out to win big, or wait with bated breath to gloat when he fails and loses. Either way, you, hatvol, SGM, fiji, etc... etc... etc... have made it abundantly clear how you feel about the hire. With the exception of hatvol, and SGM of late, the rest of you only pop up to post this same crap about Dooley's record. Pathetic... you don't have to like the hire, but for God's sake, move on.
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#78
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alwaysvol said:
I think the makeshift OL will be better than last years makeshift OL, and C+ group of LBs? for what reason. alot of them got alot of playing time last year.

this team will struggle at times the first half of the year, but I think they will be playing fairly well by mid season.
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I have to respectfully disagree. Again not being negative - just realistic.

First:
Last year's O-line was a make shift line of sorts, true. But, you also had senior leadership in Scott, McNeil, Sullins' as well as real game experience - a couple seasons for some of them. Add to that Douglas turning from project into Freshman All SEC OL. Don't expect that sort of thing to happen all the time. Not to discount the possibility, and its not far fetched with some of the guys we have coming in (james, stone), however, these honors are more the exception than the rule. Give this line, with nobody graduating this season, and really no chance of early draft entry, this whole season to really learn to work together, learn the system and blocking schemes, get more bodies to push competition in practice, and then NEXT season we can talk about maybe having a good OL.

Second:
Our LB's are a C+ group. How many of our LB's would be starting at Bama, Texas, OK, UF, FSU, USC, Miami, VT, Penn St, Nebraska, etc? or any other top 25 program & especially some of the ones like I have mentioned known for producing good top quality LB with speed and smarts and can cover and hit and go to the NFL?? I'd give us 1-2 MAYBE and, on paper, we didn't have a strong class at LB this past class and only have one commit so far for this class - LB is a problem area...especially considering the few good one we do have leave after this season. Then put those guys up against the SEC schedule + Oregon and compare our talent on Defense to those Offenses they will have to line up against and stop - Character, Heart, and lots and lots of Try may get it done, but its not going to be done on the pure talent and skill alone. For and SEC team we have C+ talent at LB at best


For those of you VOL faithful that have had one too many glasses of our favorite Orange Kool-Aid - take a look at how many seniors we lose this years on defense and see if you still think we aren't about 3 years away from really starting to make a serious turn around. With the SO many player leaving over the past 2 seasons and then graduating some of our better talent we had left, this season may prove the better of the two seasons. It wont be until year 3 that we have a couple full classes of talent to work with and hopefully the same coaches and system and then will see progress.

til then, I'll watch and cheer and take the ridicule I'm sure to get here in the heart of Gator country. But I'll wear my Orange Proud and hope for the best for the VOLS, for CDD, my fellow Alumni and fans! cheers!! V,B
 
#79
#79
Col_Cathcart said:
If you're willing to judge based upon him getting LaTech the best record they'd had in decades his second year and if you're willing to consider the rash of injuries they suffered last year in addition to the margin of victory in their losses I think we can have a discussion. If you're just looking to complain and are only going to look at the record from 1 year I don't think you have any business judging anything.
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This ^
 
#80
#80
My college roommate who also lives in Lexington recently met with a friend who works in the UT athletic office. His friends comment: "I've seen the football team, and this is the year (UK) wins." TIFWIW:cray:
 
#81
#81
Pat Dooley of the Gainesville Sun predicted the Vols would beat Oregon a few weeks back. In the 14 years I've lived here, this will be the first one I'm not cheering for anyone who plays UT. Everyone last year predicted how great UT would be with Lame Kitten, and they were mostly wrong. Give Derrick a chance. I'd enjoy seeing him go 7-5 this year, but I think 6-6 is realistic.
 
#82
#82
Outdors21 said:
I often wonder what some Vol fans are smoking. We have a makeshift OL, two starters gone from the DL and one starter gone from the DB since spring, a C+ group of LBs, and a QB who was not offered by ANY other D-I school out of JUCO.

I think to expect more than 4 wins is ludicrous and if we DO beat Kentucky, Joker should be fired.
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I also noted that on the 3 deep OL and DL that the number 1 right tackles are also the number 2 left tackles both on offense and defense and that's not good-not good at all. That tells me that at most you have only 3 people you are comfortable playing at Offensive or Defensive Tackle - the two starters plus one other person. I also think that there are tackles in the two or three deep on defense that only weigh 260 lbs. Dooley and crew better be planning on a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.
 
#83
#83
I think you're just going to have to get used to people talking trash about Tennessee this year. We're still re-building. Dooley, all the coaches, all the players have my full support.... but you have to know people will always run their mouth. You gotta keep in mind that these people have forgot about Tennessee football. They have forgot that we can be a powerhouse. I think CDD can turn us into something great again.... just him a few years and don't call for firing him if he doesn't go undefeated within his first season or two... I mean come on!

David Pollack btw, is a moron. I hated him and David Greene at uga and I still despise him!!
 
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#86
zidanefan said:
Pre-hire? Sure... But he's our coach now. What the #*@! good does it do to ***** ad nauseam about it? Now is the time to either hope he proves you wrong and turns out to win big, or wait with bated breath to gloat when he fails and loses. Either way, you, hatvol, SGM, fiji, etc... etc... etc... have made it abundantly clear how you feel about the hire. With the exception of hatvol, and SGM of late, the rest of you only pop up to post this same crap about Dooley's record. Pathetic... you don't have to like the hire, but for God's sake, move on.
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I hope I'm wrong and we do win. But just because I see what is before my eyes and disagree with the op and you deosnt make me any less a fan, alum and even donor.
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#87
#87
VolBeef88 said:
Thank you. Please explain the great hires our AD has made outside of Pearl? I'll hang up and listen.
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Time will tell, but I believe DOOLEY will turn out to be a good hire. If you just look at wins and losses, we should rehire Fulmer because of his record. We know what the results of that would be.

The point is that just firing everybody is a knee jerk reaction. Just fire Hamilton, Dooley, Summitt (she didn't win the NC) and the whole gang and everything will be hunkie dorie in Vol land. Right now, we need stability not constant turnover.

What would firing Hamilton do to improve our situation now? I guess you want him to fire Dooley to redeem himself. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#88
#88
5th in the East is a joke.... I actually see us in 3rd and MAYBE 2nd in the East. We will finish ahead of Vandy, Kentucky, and South Carolina... Have to wait and see where the Dawgs and gators end up but I really think we can pull a suprise 2nd out of this season.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I hope I'm wrong and we do win. But just because I see what is before my eyes and disagree with the op and you deosnt make me any less a fan, alum and even donor.
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You keep reminding everyone that you're an alum and a donor. That, in NO way, validates your stance.
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#90
#90
volroadwarrior said:
Time will tell, but I believe DOOLEY will turn out to be a good hire. If you just look at wins and losses, we should rehire Fulmer because of his record. We know what the results of that would be.

The point is that just firing everybody is a knee jerk reaction. Just fire Hamilton, Dooley, Summitt (she didn't win the NC) and the whole gang and everything will be hunkie dorie in Vol land. Right now, we need stability not constant turnover.

What would firing Hamilton do to improve our situation now? I guess you want him to fire Dooley to redeem himself. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Knee jerk reaction is hiring a guy in a hurry in order to save 1 recruiting class and in doing so setting the program back for many years. When this season is over (and it will be a very long one). I hope the BOT fires Hamilton.
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#91
#91
If you look at the schedule there are only 5 games on there that realistically we should expect to win no questions asked, (UTM, UAB, MEM, KY, VANDY.) If we can add a SC win in there that would be great but if Dooley can some how get us to 7 wins, he should be Coach of the Year in the SEC... I still think we beat and finish in front of KY its what we do at Tenn. Not trying to be negative just thought I'd throw this out there...
 
#92
#92
FightinQuaker said:
we have finished below vanderbilt in the sec east twice in the last 5 years. not sure why finishing below kentucky is such a stretch.
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Always prepare for the worse and hope for the best. I have seen a championship and a couple of horrible seasons. Guys the automatic 8 or 9 win Fulmer Era is over. There is no clue how we will do untill we play OU. I hope we pull 8 wins out of this season buuuuttt there could be a real bad season in the waiting... We are no longer automatic 8 or 9 win Fulmer team .... I hope the grass is greener on this side
 
#93
#93
Hobock said:
You keep reminding everyone that you're an alum and a donor. That, in NO way, validates your stance.
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I don't need my stance validated. It's my stance/opinion and that's what this site is for.
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#94
#94
It seems like the only statistic the so called experts can grasp is the 4 starts on the UT offensive line, while UGA has 126 starts.
 
#96
#96
I think they believe they have (O.J. Simpson to Howard Cossell on MNF) a firm grasp of the obvious. But their not that sharp we blew out some teams last year, why? because of the amazzzing coaching of lame kickin, hardesty was awsome but we have great talent at the backs position. berry will be truly missed but we have some speed and hard hitting at this position as well, and it was not because we had the top O line, because we are the Vols and without notice we can kick some ass period.
 
#97
#97
yeah their logic is assinine. They say kentucky will finish ahead of us because of our lack of talent. What? We are down in those areas but we are still more talented and deeper in most places than kentucky by far. Its laughable.
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#98
#98
VolBeef88 said:
I hope I'm wrong and we do win. But just because I see what is before my eyes and disagree with the op and you deosnt make me any less a fan, alum and even donor.
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Not questioning your fandom, alumdom, or donordom. Re-read my post, particularly the ad nauseam portion. I don't disagree with you on his record. Injuries or not, it's a poor record, there's no way around that, and time will tell whether he rises above it and brings UT back.

My question is: why do you all find it necessary to hammer the point over and over and over again? You and the others mentioned (some more than others) routinely pop up in threads praising Dooley with the same material - either pointing to his record, or more often, with some completely inane and unsubstantiated comment, and then wave the, "I'm no less a fan because I can see that his record sucks and speak the truth about it" banner.

If everyone on here knows where you stand, if there's nothing to be done about it now (after all, Dooley is the coach), and if it simply adds to the negativity surrounding the program, why keep beating that drum?
 
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