When we were so succesful in the 90's...

#26
#26
buckeyevol23 said:
Alex Brown wasn't that great. He admitted after the game he figured out the snap because of something Tee and Spencer Riley were doing since it was so loud.
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exactly. he was no reggie white. he figured something out, and made an adjustment. we should have done the same.
 
#27
#27
Kiffin leaving and Dooley not being able to fill empty spots for coaches until signing day really hurt this class on the D-Line and O-Line. The failure of this class to shore up the line on both sides will make our return to SECCG a few more years out, but we will get a better read on how long it will take after next years class. If we do not fill the positions of need with SEC calibur players, it could take us alot longer to compete than expected. Maybe we can steal a few cames next year and grab the attention of some big ugglies....Go Vols!!
 
#28
#28
I'm really surprised, given Tennessee's rich history of producing great defensive linemen, that we have struggled to recruit to this position 2 years in a row now.
 
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#29
Brave Volunteer said:
I'm really surprised, given Tennessee's rich history of producing great defensive linemen, that we have struggled to recruit to this position 2 years in a row now.
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We've had three different coaching staffs in about the same amount of time
 
#31
#31
I would submit that during a stretch of the 90's, we were able to recruit better because the schools competing in our areas of recruiting were going through hard times.

Georgia was bad.
South Carolina was bad.
North Carolina was bad.
Virginia was bad.
Bama was on probation.
LSU was down.

Seriously, it was either the Gators or us.

That changed in the new millennium.

I'll wait to be bashed.

:popcorn:
 
#32
#32
SEC wasn't anything like it is today.

There are better coaches and better recruiting in the SEC.

UGA, Bama, LSU were nothing like they are today.

It was Tennessee and Florida with Florida dominating Tennessee...somethings haven't changed
 
#33
#33
Brave Volunteer said:
I realize that but why THAT position?? It hasn't seemed to be an issue for recruiting any other position.
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very good question and i'd like to see an answer.

springbokvol posted that in the last 3 years, we have landed 1 DT each year. that is with 3 different coaching staffs recruiting. the top ranked programs have averaged about 3 DT per class over the last 3 years.

????
 
#34
#34
MDBJJC said:
SEC wasn't anything like it is today.

There are better coaches and better recruiting in the SEC.

UGA, Bama, LSU were nothing like they are today.

It was Tennessee and Florida with Florida dominating Tennessee...somethings haven't changed
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Exactly.

Bring back Ray Goff, Brad Scott, Curley Hallman, & Mike Dubose!
 
#35
#35
DT recruits are some of the most difficult to land.

It ain't easy getting them. That's why I think that UF's team is amazing this year. They have some incredible DT recruits...God I hate UF
 
#36
#36
tm3 said:
very good question and i'd like to see an answer.

springbokvol posted that in the last 3 years, we have landed 1 DT each year. that is with 3 different coaching staffs recruiting. the top ranked programs have averaged about 3 DT per class over the last 3 years.

????
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If Chuck Smith can't convince some D-Linemen to come, then we're in trouble.

I believe he will.
 
#37
#37
Volunteeer said:
It was! I think tucker was young that year and he was the guy with one eye I was thinking of!

They just refused to put a te or a back over there to help and it was pitiful.
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yea,thats the way Fulmer done in game adjustments. .NONE:good!:
 
#39
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buckeyevol23 said:
Yeah it still makes me mad to this day that the coaches couldn't figure it out or at least make some adjustments. Alex Brown's performance decided the game that year and it's not even close.
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If I recall correctly, the Vols still had a chance to win the game in the last minute and the final offensive play was a toss sweep to Jamal Lewis going to the weak side against Alex Brown on fourth down. Needless to say, it failed miserably.
 
#41
#41
Volunteeer said:
I think our tackle was the guy with one eye, can't remember his name. Several times it was all he could do to get a hand on the guy
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Whats messed up is he said he knew the snap count. he said every play he knew went to fire out of his stance. Just another case of being able to predict what ole Fulmer was going to do.
 
#42
#42
BigOrangePredsFan said:
If I recall correctly, the Vols still had a chance to win the game in the last minute and the final offensive play was a toss sweep to Jamal Lewis going to the weak side against Alex Brown on fourth down. Needless to say, it failed miserably.
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Yeah ran the same play on 3rd and 4th down.:disappointed:
 
#43
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MDBJJC said:
SEC wasn't anything like it is today.

There are better coaches and better recruiting in the SEC.

UGA, Bama, LSU were nothing like they are today.
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I think the SEC is a little better, but I'd argue with you about whether Bama is really that much better now than they were in the 90s. They were really, REALLY good the first half of the 90s and then had another SEC title in '99.
 
#44
#44
BigOrangePredsFan said:
If I recall correctly, the Vols still had a chance to win the game in the last minute and the final offensive play was a toss sweep to Jamal Lewis going to the weak side against Alex Brown on fourth down. Needless to say, it failed miserably.
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It failed . . . but if I remember correctly, a lot of the problem was that Jamal turned the sweep inside for some reason when he had room to take it outside and get the corner.
 
#45
#45
GAVol said:
I think the SEC is a little better, but I'd argue with you about whether Bama is really that much better now than they were in the 90s. They were really, REALLY good the first half of the 90s and then had another SEC title in '99.
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They were awesome in the early 1990s, but they are even better now under Saban. They had success for sure, but they are building on a dynasty of sorts today. Probation really hurt them and they could not find a coach they liked until Saban.

We smoked em in the 1990s, we are going to be in some nasty dog fights to do well against them from here on out.
 
#46
#46
MDBJJC said:
They were awesome in the early 1990s, but they are even better now under Saban.
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If they win 11+ the next 2-3 years (which I'm afraid they're going to do), I'll agree with you.
 
#47
#47
As far as recruiting in the 90's went, I think Peyton had as much to do with the defensive guys who played here as any coach on that staff. From 1994 thru 1997 here are a few of the defensive stars who played here and signed Peyton's freshmen year thru his junior year.

Jonathon Brown
Shane Burton 8 yrs in NFL
Terry Fair 13 yrs in NFL
Leonard Little 12 yrs in NFL
Al Wilson 8 yrs in NFL
Dwayne Goodrich
Billy Ratliff
Eric Westmoreland 4 yrs in NFL
Fred White
Shawn Ellis 9 yrs in NFL
Deon Grant 9 yrs in NFL
Darwin Walker 9 yrs in NFL
Raynoch Thompson 4 yrs in NFL
Scott Galyon 7 yrs in NFL
 
#48
#48
not sure why peyton gets credit for that. We were winning. We had a much better recruiting staff than anyone in the sec. Coaching outside of spurrier made fulmer look at least average and we had as good if not better facilities than anyone else.

GmanTN said:
As far as recruiting in the 90's went, I think Peyton had as much to do with the defensive guys who played here as any coach on that staff. From 1994 thru 1997 here are a few of the defensive stars who played here and signed Peyton's freshmen year thru his junior year.

Jonathon Brown
Shane Burton 8 yrs in NFL
Terry Fair 13 yrs in NFL
Leonard Little 12 yrs in NFL
Al Wilson 8 yrs in NFL
Dwayne Goodrich
Billy Ratliff
Eric Westmoreland 4 yrs in NFL
Fred White
Shawn Ellis 9 yrs in NFL
Deon Grant 9 yrs in NFL
Darwin Walker 9 yrs in NFL
Raynoch Thompson 4 yrs in NFL
Scott Galyon 7 yrs in NFL
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#49
#49
The question is how much did we miss Rodney Garner. .... a lot.
 
#50
#50
Crew said:
The question is how much did we miss Rodney Garner. .... a lot.
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Cosey Coleman, Deon grant and Jamal Lewis, if polled, would say we missed him a lot, and georgia was glad to get him
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