When a five TD win feels like a loss

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#26
1SmokinVol said:
All the OP is trying to say is we should have seen SOME improvement against UTC in our offensive line. Couple of these guys like Kyberson are 4th year Jr.s. They should not be getting whipped like that against a sub division team-don't give a damn about the out of position excuse. Looks like their feet are stuck in concrete, to me thats technique and that is on the coaches.
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You move slow when you're thinking instead of just reacting. That happens when you're playing out of position. No technique teaching is going to fix that. It takes experience or just getting better talent
 
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Kyberson would look a lot better inside at guard where he belongs. Man Blair just must be pitiful to not crack this lineup..
 
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tri_vol said:
You move slow when you're thinking instead of just reacting. That happens when you're playing out of position. No technique teaching is going to fix that. It takes experience or just getting better talent
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Better talent.. Maybe jones can encourage both Kyler and Crowder to go to law school and become injury or workers comp lawyers. They have first hand experience in Dealing with Personal injury.. Worley could be their first client and spokesman
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Trying to adjust your offensive scheme in one week is impossible. They are what they are this season. Your don't confuse young players with change that most have spent the entire summer learning.

We won. Smile. Be happy and don't be no cloud on a sunny day.
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The only problem with this is that the same scheme was run last year with seniors who had never ran it, "same results". Last year did not help these freshman at all. Scheme and call plays to the strengths of your team don't force feed an offensive philosophy on a team at the detriment of wins. It cost a bowl game last year and very well looks like it will cost a bowl game this year.
 
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If Dooley would have signed just 3 decent linemen including 2 tackles the year he didn't, Butch (in just his 2nd year) would have beaten #4 OU at their place, Georgia, and Florida. We would without a doubt be undefeated and the talk of the nation along with both Mississippi schools. Now EAD. The VAST majority of us are beyond tired of this crap.
 
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big harry said:
If Dooley would have signed just 3 decent linemen including 2 tackles the year he didn't, Butch (in just his 2nd year) would have beaten #4 OU at their place, Georgia, and Florida. We would without a doubt be undefeated and the talk of the nation along with both Mississippi schools. Now EAD. The VAST majority of us are beyond tired of this crap.
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No

He beat SC with a Dooley recruited team
 
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big harry said:
If Dooley would have signed just 3 decent linemen including 2 tackles the year he didn't, Butch (in just his 2nd year) would have beaten #4 OU at their place, Georgia, and Florida. We would without a doubt be undefeated and the talk of the nation along with both Mississippi schools. Now EAD. The VAST majority of us are beyond tired of this crap.
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It would have been great to have never hired Fooley in the first place, wouldn't have wasted 3 years.. Not only did he fill the roster with Sunbelt level talent he forgot to sign any linemen in 2012.. Not a position of need he said. How in the world can you be that bad at your job and make the kind of money he made. Then had to give him money to go away.. Geez the UTAD shat the bed on that one..
 
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big harry said:
If Dooley would have signed just 3 decent linemen including 2 tackles the year he didn't, Butch (in just his 2nd year) would have beaten #4 OU at their place, Georgia, and Florida. We would without a doubt be undefeated and the talk of the nation along with both Mississippi schools. Now EAD. The VAST majority of us are beyond tired of this crap.
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While I believe Dooley is to blame for our current problems Butch needs to be hald accountable as well. He has 2 highly recruited o-linemen sitting on the sidelines that were either busts or not developed.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
This game against FCS competition should have had a single objective as I wrote earlier in the week: implementing new offensive schemes to overcome the current glaring shortcoming of the offense. It was a chance for Bajakian to demonstrate he is a coach and not a tutor explaining his playbook (canÂ’t wait for the video tutorial from the coaching staff coming soon!).

I, for one, canÂ’t stand the meme on VN about a no-talent offensive line, two freshmen, etc. These are 3* and 4* linemen with SEC offer lists. Derek Barnett is a freshman on defense; heÂ’s playing all SEC ball. And the entire offensive line philosophy needs a heaping spoonful of Derek Barnett. ThatÂ’s all coaching, my friends.

If we had won 24 – 10 but had addressed what we absolutely needed to address, yes, most of VN would have been in Chicken Little mode. But the astute here would have seen important progress; would have understood the game was never in danger, and executing a tweaked offense against UTC is sometimes the best practice before implementing it against Ole Miss and Bama. If the O-line just fired off and started hitting someone, ANYONE in front of them, I would have seen progress. If we had seen a little Derek Barnett from the O-line, I would have been smiling ear to ear with a 24 – 10 win. That would have been real progress.

Instead, we addressed none of our problems during a game in which that should have been the only objective. Is Bajakian a coach or is he a playbook author? IsnÂ’t it time for the O-line to worry about nothing except hitting the guy in front of him and pushing him back five yards? IsnÂ’t it time to start addressing the clear and obvious problem? WasnÂ’t that better done against UTC vice UoM?
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It's hard to take this serious at all. Bordering the ridiculous.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
While I don't necessarily disagree, it just points to the fact that Bajakian and co should be excoriated for not understanding and working around the one.glaring.problem back in Spring ball and Camp.

This was identified by every VN coaching hero as a possible concern long, long ago.

In other words, Bajakian is just a playbook author and not a coach.
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I'm sure they weren't working on it and are so stupid that they just moved on to other things. It was probably hard to see the O line was bad.
 
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volfan411 said:
While I believe Dooley is to blame for our current problems Butch needs to be hald accountable as well. He has 2 highly recruited o-linemen sitting on the sidelines that were either busts or not developed.
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He's only halfway through his second season!? You and the OP are so freaking ignorant (not dumb) about how an offensive line develops. It takes more time to develop a solid oline than any other place on the field. It is not surprising that this may be our Achilles heel for this season.
 
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big harry said:
Exactly. Because he's a good coach. Now that whole line is gone and he's gotta make up for a recruiting fopa no coach can instantly overcome...yet they're a few plays from that impossible feat.
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2013 and 2014 recruiting classes are on Butch

Who in those classes are playing on the line?
 
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Dragon18 said:
He's only halfway through his second season!? You and the OP are so freaking ignorant (not dumb) about how an offensive line develops. It takes more time to develop a solid oline than any other place on the field. It is not surprising that this may be our Achilles heel for this season.
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Okay first thing is I have been the biggest defender of Jones there is on here but facts are facts.
 
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volfan411 said:
Okay first thing is I have been the biggest defender of Jones there is on here but facts are facts. If you think it takes that long to develop a o-line see the Arkansas o-line who I believe start 2 freshman.
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2 soph....2 juniors......and a senior
 
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This Tennessee team is clearly staying competitive with teams who have much more talent than them. that should be a positive sign, that coach jones can actually coach. as far as the oc is concerned, he can only do as much as the talent of the team will allow him. we clearly are not very good on the line right now. That presents huge play calling problems I'm sure. I'm convinced jones will pull out a couple surprising victories this season. Maybe not bama or ole miss, but Missouri and sc are real possiblities.
 
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I am not blaming Jones for the current state of the program but to me it is unacceptable for him as a coach to watch the RT continue to whiff on blocks game after game. Either correct his technique and make him better in practice or put his butt on the bench.

Teams have now seen him week after week get beat and they are going to contunue to pick on him until something is done about it.
 
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volfan411 said:
Okay first thing is I have been the biggest defender of Jones there is on here but facts are facts. If you think it takes that long to develop a o-line see the Arkansas o-line who I believe start 2 freshman.
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I don't think. .. I know it takes time to develop an oline. I don't know much about Ark oline but assuming your statement to be true I would bet the other 3 have significant experience. It's not about year, is about experience together and the way the unit meshes. Don't get me wrong, I didn't anticipate us being quite this bad on oline but I'm not ready to bail on coaches over it. Anyone that doesn't see a much better team this year is blind.

BTW.. Thanks for supporting the coach I wasn't trying to be a d***. Is just really hard to read the ignorant shiz that gets posted on these pages. We are getting better and there are so many that are already bailing.
 
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