What's worse....Head Coaching or Administration??

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Serious question for discussion. We have had some bad head coaches in recent years and Pruitt is as in over his head as any of them. As bad as the head coaches have been, we have had some absolute head scratching activity at ALL levels of the UT administration. Some examples in no particular order.....The Pruitt extension after losing to GA State and BYU. The hiring of Derek Dooley. The hiring of Currie. The hiring of Beverly Davenport. The fumbling of Currie's coaching hire. The Butch Jones extension. And of course now the lack of ability to make a decision that leaves the head coach in limbo and guarantees no chance of any success next year. There are many other examples, but you get the point. I'm in no way condoning the job that ANYBODY has done at UT in the last decade. I'd like to raise the topic of who is doing more damage? HC or Admin?
 
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Serious question for discussion. We have had some bad head coaches in recent years and Pruitt is as in over his head as any of them. As bad as the head coaches have been, we have had some absolute head scratching activity at ALL levels of the UT administration. Some examples in no particular order.....The Pruitt extension after losing to GA State and BYU. The hiring of Derek Dooley. The hiring of Currie. The hiring of Beverly Davenport. The fumbling of Currie's coaching hire. The Butch Jones extension. And of course now the lack of ability to make a decision that leaves the head coach in limbo and guarantees no chance of any success next year. There are many other examples, but you get the point. I'm in no way condoning the job that ANYBODY has done at UT in the last decade. I'd like to raise the topic of who is doing more damage? HC or Admin?
Which smells worse..... dog poo or cat poo?.... both are disgusting
 
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I think you may have left out another group that I think is just as much to blame as the ones you mentioned. That group is made up of elite boosters who from the outside seem to be in a decades old power struggle for control of the football program. Old money vs. New money.
 
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Serious question for discussion. We have had some bad head coaches in recent years and Pruitt is as in over his head as any of them. As bad as the head coaches have been, we have had some absolute head scratching activity at ALL levels of the UT administration. Some examples in no particular order.....The Pruitt extension after losing to GA State and BYU. The hiring of Derek Dooley. The hiring of Currie. The hiring of Beverly Davenport. The fumbling of Currie's coaching hire. The Butch Jones extension. And of course now the lack of ability to make a decision that leaves the head coach in limbo and guarantees no chance of any success next year. There are many other examples, but you get the point. I'm in no way condoning the job that ANYBODY has done at UT in the last decade. I'd like to raise the topic of who is doing more damage? HC or Admin?

Ultimate responsibility is with the admin
 
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I think you may have left out another group that I think is just as much to blame as the ones you mentioned. That group is made up of elite boosters who from the outside seem to be in a decades old power struggle for control of the football program. Old money vs. New money.
VERY good point!
 
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When you get bad coach after bad coach, the problem is the AD. When it’s AD after AD making bad hires, then the problem is the chancellor. When it’s chancellor after chancellor then the problem is with the President. When it’s President after President, then the problem is with the Board of Trustees. The problems go all the way to the top, and the failings of the football team are just one obvious symptom. There are plenty of others in the university system.
 
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The problem is within the athletic department, from what I can see. Fulmer and Pruitt were brought on before current administration, our administration at least from what I can say about Randy Boyd, are not micromanagers like those in our AD and football programs. People are put in their job to be able to handle the position not so you can watch over them 24/7. I assure you administration will deal with the situation when necessary, and last thing our program needs right now is to blow everything up because it would be a death sentence. Players love Pruitt, and they are SEC type players. That is a large part of the battle. If he and CPF can get their heads on straight and leave people to do their jobs without meddling I think we will see a drastic change in this program's trajectory. Let Chaney do his thing on O and get his guys on the same page without barging in all the time. Get rid of DA and have Pruitt be De Facto DC/HC for the program. Would free up availability to have an extra position coach and Pruitt is focused on the crap that got him here in the first place. Once again the problem is not Randy Boyd.
 
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Just like a good offense it has to execute smoothly and flawlessly as a team together. Bama, OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, are programs from the outside looking in that are smooth running operations. Most everybody else in college football are down stream from those four programs right now. And how far away the joint admin and coaching efforts are from those other programs are reflected in their won/loss records.
 
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Serious question for discussion. We have had some bad head coaches in recent years and Pruitt is as in over his head as any of them. As bad as the head coaches have been, we have had some absolute head scratching activity at ALL levels of the UT administration. Some examples in no particular order.....The Pruitt extension after losing to GA State and BYU. The hiring of Derek Dooley. The hiring of Currie. The hiring of Beverly Davenport. The fumbling of Currie's coaching hire. The Butch Jones extension. And of course now the lack of ability to make a decision that leaves the head coach in limbo and guarantees no chance of any success next year. There are many other examples, but you get the point. I'm in no way condoning the job that ANYBODY has done at UT in the last decade. I'd like to raise the topic of who is doing more damage? HC or Admin?

There are a few ways to look at this. I think ultimately it's the administration, but Tennessee's situation is a bizarre one to unravel.

We have not had a really great AD since Dickey. That is obvious. While Fulmer was coach, Mike Hamilton was a bean counter and a fundraising man. He and Fulmer seemed to be able to get on the same page in that regard, but when Hamilton pulled the trigger on Fulmer his only problem was that he did not make Kiffin's contract more restrictive to dissuade USC from coming and poaching him more. By the time they got down to him on their list they were desperate, so it may not have mattered, but his contract was weak on protections for UT. They just didn't think he was going anywhere when he was hired, and they didn't have a plan for replacing him. Hamilton messed up by not just naming Kippy Brown as an interim coach for a year and taking time to find a competent replacement. We got rejected by several candidates, and he just scrambled and hired Dooley. Hamilton also bungled the end of Bruce Pearl's tenure, so that was another major flop.

Following Hamilton, we hired Bama Dave Hart with his "level of information and level of expertise that no one else has." He didn't fire Dooley after year 2, and then seemed to still not have a plan once he was fired. This gave us Jones. Oh, and when Counzo left, he seemingly didn't vet Donny Tindall at all, which continued the spiral of Tennessee basketball. Now, he did luck into Rick Barnes, but at the time no one could have predicted the success we are having right now in that regard.

Up until this point we also had upper administrators that undervalued athletics. Both DiPietro and Jimmy Cheek wanted to turn UT into a research university, and they saw athletics as a hindrance to that goal. Alabama has demonstrated that the two HAVE to work in consort with one another for real success to be achieved at a large public Southern university.

After Bama Dave left, we hired John Currie, and that was the result of the closed-door power struggle amongst our big money boosters. There were other AD candidates out there that the administration just didn't choose. At the time President DiPietro was on his last legs, and his replacement of Jimmy Cheek with Chancellor Davenport was a poor choice. Currie and Davenport gave us the worst coaching search of all time, leading to both of their terminations and we have ended up with Randy Boyd, Donde Plowman, and Phillip Fulmer.

Unfortunately, I think that Boyd, Plowman and Fulmer all have a unified goal of making football great, but they picked the wrong coach. If you look at the investment in athletics at UT, it is at an extremely solid level. Pruitt has been given everything he has asked for. They have built a new weight room, a third full length practice field for him when asked, given him enormous pools to choose from for staff and assistant coaches, and supplied the third largest recruiting budget in the country. They just have the wrong trigger man at the helm.

Still, the dysfunction of the administration over the past 15+ years has been a comedy of errors.

All that said, if they picked a winning coach at any of these prior junctures we could have had results.
 
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Serious question for discussion. We have had some bad head coaches in recent years and Pruitt is as in over his head as any of them. As bad as the head coaches have been, we have had some absolute head scratching activity at ALL levels of the UT administration. Some examples in no particular order.....The Pruitt extension after losing to GA State and BYU. The hiring of Derek Dooley. The hiring of Currie. The hiring of Beverly Davenport. The fumbling of Currie's coaching hire. The Butch Jones extension. And of course now the lack of ability to make a decision that leaves the head coach in limbo and guarantees no chance of any success next year. There are many other examples, but you get the point. I'm in no way condoning the job that ANYBODY has done at UT in the last decade. I'd like to raise the topic of who is doing more damage? HC or Admin?
You left out what started the downfall of UT athletes: the hiring of Mike Hamilton as AD when Doug Dickey retired. Joan Cronin, the women's AD at the time, would have been a MUCH better choice. She did an excellent job for women's athletics and was well respected in sports administration. I truly doubt she would have made some of the boneheaded moves that Hamilton did. He was the perfect example of the Peter Principle in action.
 
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I look at Pruitt as more of a failure of former AD John Curry and the powers that be. They are the ones who started this **** show when they were going to hire Schiano, who should've never been considered in the first place. Fulmer stepped in as AD and made the Pruitt hire but honestly, given the timing and the circumstances surrounding the program, he was about the best candidate available at the time. Now, the extension certainly can be blamed on Fulmer. However if Fulmer had been in charge of the coaching search to begin with, I sort of doubt Pruitt would've been hired.
 
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I look at Pruitt as more of a failure of former AD John Curry and the powers that be. They are the ones who started this **** show when they were going to hire Schiano, who should've never been considered in the first place. Fulmer stepped in as AD and made the Pruitt hire but honestly, given the timing and the circumstances surrounding the program, he was about the best candidate available at the time. Now, the extension certainly can be blamed on Fulmer. However if Fulmer had been in charge of the coaching search to begin with, I sort of doubt Pruitt would've been hired.
Fulmer has no business being the AD. We don’t need another Haslam puppet either though. Fulmer could not get that job at any other program in the country. I don’t care how much he loves the program, he isn’t qualified to run an athletic program as big as Tennessee.

Tennessee will be an elite program again when they start acting like one. Any elite program would laugh at the thought of Fulmer running their athletic program. It starts at the top, get the best people in place. It won’t happen and the dumpster fire will continue to burn.
 
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I hate to just type this but it’s really as simple as this. It’s a long line of incompetent or spineless ADs beholden to the Haslam’s.

Yep. I realize that the HCs have sucked but this falls SOLELY on the idiots that have run this program into the ground.
 
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Fulmer has no business being the AD. We don’t need another Haslam puppet either though. Fulmer could not get that job at any other program in the country. I don’t care how much he loves the program, he isn’t qualified to run an athletic program as big as Tennessee.

Tennessee will be an elite program again when they start acting like one. Any elite program would laugh at the thought of Fulmer running their athletic program. It starts at the top, get the best people in place. It won’t happen and the dumpster fire will continue to burn.

I won't disagree with you there. I was just pointing out that I don't blame Fulmer on this situation. I blame the previous AD.
 
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