What's with all these apology threads?

#26
#26
lostsheep said:
When I don't perform on my job and my boss calls me out on it...I either step up or lose my job.

When I step up and start meeting expectations, my boss doesn't apologize to me for being critical. Instead, he tells me that's what he expected all along and to keep it up.

If the criticism bothers me, then I'm at liberty to find another job.
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I'm glad this discussion came about. This is my thoughts to a power T!
 
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#27
Gramps said:
Coaching is a job. When the coach puts a subpar product on the court he is open to criticism. When he puts a good product on the floor he is due praise. That is the nature of the business.

I critized CCM for his teams poor performance on the court, his bad decision making, terrible timing for timeouts, losing games we should have easily won. I for one will not apologize to a coach for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job. I still wanted to Vols to win each and every game but would sit and scratch my head at some of the dumb decisions being made by Cuonzo.

During the last month our coach and this team has woke up and are putting a great product and performance on the court. I will give Coach Martin and his staff credit for that and will say job well done but I will not apologize for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job earlier in the season and last year.

I am a Tennessee Volunteers fan, not a coaches fan. If any coach at UT is not getting his job done, replace the coach. No coach is as big as the program. They are no more than a spoke in the wheel.

Winning cures all in sports. I applaud Coach Martin for the job he is doing now. He has shown he can get the job done.
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Probably because criticism is a lot different than saying fire him and bring in another coach. Fire him should wait until all games are played not with half a season left. I think that is where the apologies are coming in.
 
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The NC ST game was typical of the malaise that we saw at times during the season. McCrae had a hot hand, but Stokes had a couple of early fouls and was a non-factor. Barton was 0-8 from the field. Cuonzo said in the post-game that the team 'appeared to be a step slow for some reason.' State came here as an underdog (having lost prior to NC Central) and pretty much controlled the game wire-to-wire at TBA.

Then we throttled VA. And not long after lost a 14-pt halftime lead and eventually the game to A&M. And the up and down trend continued - we fans were frustrated for sure, but the media and pundits also shared the opinion that UT was seriously underachieving and gave us no shot tourney-wise.

I don't expect any mea culpas from any of the talking heads, but when they make fun of UT fans they at least ought to fess up that they didn't see our turnaround coming either.
 
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#31
Can't it be both ways?

Am I very happy with the team right now? Yes. Was I shaking my head after TAMU? Yeah.

I thought he should be let go at the end of the year. I was wrong. **** happens. He's turned the team around. Hopefully he can do it next year.
 
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Gramps said:
Coaching is a job. When the coach puts a subpar product on the court he is open to criticism. When he puts a good product on the floor he is due praise. That is the nature of the business.

I critized CCM for his teams poor performance on the court, his bad decision making, terrible timing for timeouts, losing games we should have easily won. I for one will not apologize to a coach for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job. I still wanted to Vols to win each and every game but would sit and scratch my head at some of the dumb decisions being made by Cuonzo.

During the last month our coach and this team has woke up and are putting a great product and performance on the court. I will give Coach Martin and his staff credit for that and will say job well done but I will not apologize for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job earlier in the season and last year.

I am a Tennessee Volunteers fan, not a coaches fan. If any coach at UT is not getting his job done, replace the coach. No coach is as big as the program. They are no more than a spoke in the wheel.

Winning cures all in sports. I applaud Coach Martin for the job he is doing now. He has shown he can get the job done.
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I mostly agree. Some folks take up other peoples offenses and defend them. I think that's what we saw with the criticism of the criticism... And I understand that because we all respect CCM so much. It was the product - not the person. AND NOW HE's DOING GREAT AND WE ALL CAN GET ON BOARD!!!
 
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#33
Sports is nothing more than an outlet for each of us. A sense of pride, belonging, venting, escape..... I could go on and on.

To say "why feel the need to apologize" is a comment against the very spirit of sports and the emotions that come with it. Disagree with it but don't shoot the messenger as in the end, your nothing more than a messenger yourself.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I find it comical that so many posters on here have totally changed their tune about Martin based on the Mercer game.

Most of these same posters still wanted Martin fired after going toe to toe with UF in the SEC tourney but a win over Mercer merits a raise and extension?! :crazy:

If you go back to the loss at aTm and look at how this team is playing you'll see they're playing at a high level. They are crushing teams. They are playing well when it matters...in March. It's fine that many of you were wanting to see this all year long, but wouldn't you rather have the team playing well now vs peaking in Dec or Jan?

I wonder how these new Martin Bandwagoners would have responded had UT lost to Mercer. Would they be anti-Martin or use the excuse that Mercer beat Duke so they must be good?

Just enjoy that UT is still playing and playing well!
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Uhhhhh....yeah...,I think that's what most people are saying....except you're saying it with anger....it's going to be ok....and this too will pass!!!!
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
Sports is nothing more than an outlet for each of us. A sense of pride, belonging, venting, escape..... I could go on and on.

To say "why feel the need to apologize" is a comment against the very spirit of sports and the emotions that come with it. Disagree with it but don't shoot the messenger as in the end, your nothing more than a messenger yourself.
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That kind of depth has no place on these boards
 
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Both the criticism and the praise were appropriate at the respective time.
When he was coaching poorly, he was getting criticized for incompetence.
Now that he's coaching well, he's getting praised for his competence.
That's the way the cookie bounces.
 
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lostsheep said:
When I don't perform on my job and my boss calls me out on it...I either step up or lose my job.

When I step up and start meeting expectations, my boss doesn't apologize to me for being critical. Instead, he tells me that's what he expected all along and to keep it up.

If the criticism bothers me, then I'm at liberty to find another job.
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but do your bosses go and sign petititons to hire someone else instead of you? Criticism is fine. but we took it to another level when we started signing that petition.
 
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#40
Hey guys, put your petitions and opinions, and even apologies on here, it alright. many, many people have paid a great price to make it ok.
 
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#42
When is enough enough and how much is to much. The petition was discussed during the broadcast of our tourney games and the commentators gave many reasons why CCM should be retained. Personally, I liked it when the commentators called the game and kept their personal opinions to themselves. Express your opinion but in a way that doesn't harm or give people negative vibes about Tennessee. Now we need to focus on beating Michigan ! :pepper:
 
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Gramps said:
Coaching is a job. When the coach puts a subpar product on the court he is open to criticism. When he puts a good product on the floor he is due praise. That is the nature of the business.

I critized CCM for his teams poor performance on the court, his bad decision making, terrible timing for timeouts, losing games we should have easily won. I for one will not apologize to a coach for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job. I still wanted to Vols to win each and every game but would sit and scratch my head at some of the dumb decisions being made by Cuonzo.

During the last month our coach and this team has woke up and are putting a great product and performance on the court. I will give Coach Martin and his staff credit for that and will say job well done but I will not apologize for saying he was doing a bad job when he was doing a bad job earlier in the season and last year.

I am a Tennessee Volunteers fan, not a coaches fan. If any coach at UT is not getting his job done, replace the coach. No coach is as big as the program. They are no more than a spoke in the wheel.

Winning cures all in sports. I applaud Coach Martin for the job he is doing now. He has shown he can get the job done.
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No problem with most of your post. The rub comes with your one paragraph stating that if any coach is not getting the job done, replace the coach. Of course, if you under perform, you may lose your job. But, many fans tend to act in 'packs' and trend towards the extreme. For as long as it makes sense, we need to support our coaches and help make Tennessee a place where coaches would be crazy not to want to go. If UT is largely hyper critical, quick to criticize and fire, how does that help us become a 'destination location' for most top coaches or players?
 
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CMvol said:
but do your bosses go and sign petititons to hire someone else instead of you? Criticism is fine. but we took it to another level when we started signing that petition.
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Bosses GET petitions to fire. Petitions come from those under the influence of the Petitionee. Customers and/or underlings of said petitionee.
If the bosses are paying attention they take such petitions into consideration and it may influence the actual response. I own a business yand have employees. I have been "petitioned" for the transgressions of staff and have acted to dismiss taking this into consideration.
It's not a crazy concept. It's just more formal in "petition" form, and that upped the ante for our family's dirty laundry being aired.
 
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