What's the timetable for success?

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Boca Vol said:
OP, given Volnation logic, the new HC has already had more than enough time to show us what he has to offer! :D

Let's see, after the shock of Butch Jones being announced as HC it only took a few weeks before the "Butch Gets It" threads started popping up all over the place. After a losing season, many still thinks he gets it based on the recruiting class.

Coach Martin had a winning basketball program but it wasn't good enough for a lot of the fanbase.

So given the different sets of criteria this fanbase uses there is simply no way to answer your question.
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volbeast33 said:
It's not dumb.....man you all sit your goals low....I guarantee you that if you asked Tyndall that if he doesnt make the tourney that he will consider it a failure....Doesnt mean that we should want him fired or that we should try to run him out of town. He deserves support and his chance to build a program. This yr might be a challenge but I think he does better than some expect bc I think the returning talent we have fits his style.
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Making the tournament next year would be a success, but is not a failure if we don't.

Could we, yes. Will we, don't know but I would not call it a failure if we did not next year by any means. This is all I am saying.

I have never "set" goals low. (Not Sit) I was in a business that if you set your goals low it either got you or employees killed.

Tyndell should always set his goals high and yes he will say if he doesn't make the tourney it will be a disappointment but not a failure. Watch Video regarding his game NIT game and the reference to his LA Tech game and the effect of NCAAT selection.

Labeling it a failure by fans is what they do. Not sure if its a sense of power or just entitlement. You have questioned my standards because I strongly disagree with you and others regarding the 1st year NCAAT failure statement.
 
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If he loses more than 4 of his first 10 games, start a BBB petition.
 
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In bb a couple of players can make you good so if he can recruit no reason by year 2 he cant make NCAA tourney but to compete for sec championships.. Check back with me after he has recruited to tn.

No way he needs 4 yrs.. In bb you don't need that much time to become competitive
 
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92volalum said:
In bb a couple of players can make you good so if he can recruit no reason by year 2 he cant make NCAA tourney but to compete for sec championships.. Check back with me after he has recruited to tn.

No way he needs 4 yrs.. In bb you don't need that much time to become competitive
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You are exactly right and I agree. I got so tired of everybody talking about rebuilding next year under Martin.

Which could have been true but only because of the players he recruited to ride the pine.

Because of Depth and a lack of it may take 1 or 2 recruiting cycle depending on what happens in the next month with current player and recruits.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Making the tournament next year would be a success, but is not a failure if we don't.

Could we, yes. Will we, don't know but I would not call it a failure if we did not next year by any means. This is all I am saying.

I have never "set" goals low. (Not Sit) I was in a business that if you set your goals low it either got you or employees killed.

Tyndell should always set his goals high and yes he will say if he doesn't make the tourney it will be a disappointment but not a failure. Watch Video regarding his game NIT game and the reference to his LA Tech game and the effect of NCAAT selection.

Labeling it a failure by fans is what they do. Not sure if its a sense of power or just entitlement. You have questioned my standards because I strongly disagree with you and others regarding the 1st year NCAAT failure statement.
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Thank you bringing the grammar police into the thread.....I have so missed it. LOL I dont know why people are so afraid of the word failure. The minimal goal for every team should be a NCAA tourney bid no matter the circumstances.
 
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He is inheriting more than Martin got so he should make the tourney next year according to those who thought Martin underachieved.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Now that we're definitely not getting Pearl back and the coaching search is over, how long are we supposed to give Tyndall before we start looking for his replacement? I assume that part of the reason for seeking someone who would accept a low buyout is so they are easily replaced but I also doubt the AD expects to need to exercise that option 1 or 2 seasons in. What's reasonable to expect from this guy in the opinion of the people who think it's a good - great hire?
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This is ridiculous, let's see what kind of talent he can bring to UT and coach a few close games before we start the petition to bring back Martin!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Now that we're definitely not getting Pearl back and the coaching search is over, how long are we supposed to give Tyndall before we start looking for his replacement? I assume that part of the reason for seeking someone who would accept a low buyout is so they are easily replaced but I also doubt the AD expects to need to exercise that option 1 or 2 seasons in. What's reasonable to expect from this guy in the opinion of the people who think it's a good - great hire?
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Domestic Silence said:
We just ran off a coach who went to the sweet 16. Why are we now waiting another 3 years to get back to the tournament with the new guy?

Some of you are insane.
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Have you looked at the roster? Martin wasn't making the dance next year, either.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Thank you bringing the grammar police into the thread.....I have so missed it. LOL I dont know why people are so afraid of the word failure. The minimal goal for every team should be a NCAA tourney bid no matter the circumstances.
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no kidding always a realistic goal and the circumstances are reality, but because one does not make the tournament in their first year should not be called a Failure

You called me out on grammar police, for sit vs set. LOL I guess that is a failed post and you should be totally kicked to the street. LOL or does it mean you have no creditability as a poster according to your own standards. Your words not mine. LOL.
 
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To be honest, I'm concerned he hasn't won a game as coach yet. He's had like almost a day to get a W.
 
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What's the timetable for success?


For most of the UT fanbase, 3 years.

For members of Volnation, he should have 10 wins this time tommorrow! :blink:

Unfortunately, this is true for some! :banghead2:



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I think we need to see what we have coming in and how he is going to use Moore, Davis, DT, Jrich and Hubbs, as well as how our pg's handle running an offense with ball picks rather than not handling it much prior. I think DT can excel with picks his way and his ability to see the court from a ball perspective but also height and anticipation. Davis could thrive with being active and that's Moore's game.

This team that was going to be hard to watch next year may turn out to be one of the most fun to watch teams we have seen in quite a few years. There will be growing pains but at least we are going to play ball and try to take it to people. Seems like when Martin did press, we looked ok doing it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If he doesn't make the NCAAT next year it's a failure
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Unfortunately, that is what some of our fans expect. I expect 3 years, but it could be 2, depending on how quickly we can recover from poor attitude of the fans. We have to give Tyndall a lot of support and a little bit of time. If he and his staff works as hard as he says, we could see NIT next Spring and NCAAT the following year.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The roster is not in great shape, especially having nothing at all in the post. We also have no idea who may leave, or what of the current class may ever play here.

That said, I'd hope in year 3 or 4 we're on the right track in recruiting and for an NCAA bid.

I'm encouraged because year 3-4-5 were his three best at Morehead.
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LOL!!! You were very outspoken to get rid of the last coach, but all of a sudden you've softened and are willing to give the current guy 3-4 years to make the NCAAT??? Do any of you negaZo's have any sense? Oh, and all of a sudden the roster is limited, but that wasn't the case when it didn't fit your argument.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Now that we're definitely not getting Pearl back and the coaching search is over, how long are we supposed to give Tyndall before we start looking for his replacement? I assume that part of the reason for seeking someone who would accept a low buyout is so they are easily replaced but I also doubt the AD expects to need to exercise that option 1 or 2 seasons in. What's reasonable to expect from this guy in the opinion of the people who think it's a good - great hire?
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Better be up-tempo in the pre-season or I'm gonna be mad!!!


Seriously, if recruiting can go well, and we can be competitive in the games that we are supposed to, then I think a basketball team can be flirting with the top 20 on a regular basis by the 3rd year, and top 10 by the 4th.
 
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