What's the timetable for success?

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VolArmy74 said:
Ironically, it'll be Cuonzo's most ardent supporters who'll say things like "tourney next year" when Zo wasn't held to that standard at all.

They apparently can't see the difference in expecting year 3 with the players we had this year to be excellent from start to finish, with year 4 looking bright vs what we actually got.
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The amount of rope DT is given will separate the frauds from the rational. He has three years to prove to me that he can cut it, for better or worse.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Nothing wrong with Hart wanting the buy-out lowered with the overall state the program/roster was in and how year 4 and 5 were looking.

We can argue about this til the cows come home and probably won't agree at all.

But the bottom line is, Martin was offered at the bare minimum a year 4 here with a hefty raise, and an extra million on top of that 1.8 million if his year 4 program was so bad he'd have to be fired.

Getting 3 million for failing at your job would be sweet for any body.
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I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb
 
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Took him till the 3rd year to get Morehead to the NC2A. So we should be in the dance on year three.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The amount of rope DT is given will separate the frauds from the rational. He has three years to prove to me that he can cut it, for better or worse.
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To me it will come down to the eye test. Is he building the program? Are players developing? Is recruiting going okay? Does he seem lost on the sidelines?

My expectations will be altered timetable wise if two of our sophomores on the roster are All-SEC contenders and a 5-star PF falls into place in the mid-season next year.
 
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zjcvols said:
I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb
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But Martin wasn't fired. He left.
 
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Kusotate said:
But Zo inherited a better roster than Tyndall is inheriting.
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Perhaps, but as with all situations, hindsight provides greater perspective. We thought Pearl inherited a mess. That turned out to not be true. We thought Zo inherited a mess. That turned out to not be entirely true either.

If Hubbs becomes a solid four-year player like McRae, Davis becomes a solid 3/4 man, Thompson shows improvement, Armani Moore continues to develop his perimeter skills, etc., then we may look back in a couple years and say Tyndall didn't inherit a mess after all.
 
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zjcvols said:
I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb
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This is the one concept that I wish everyone would try to understand. I knew there were going to be a lot of people happy with getting rid of Martin, but not nearly to the extent that it is. Nothing is a given, but stability is a good thing when your coach is keeping his W column larger than his L.

Everything considered, Tyndall seems like he has a legit shot to get us where we want to be. If he ends up doing a good job, he could be a here a while.
 
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We should be back in the NCAA in year two. The upcoming season may be to much to ask got a lot of new players who would have to be better and blend as a team. He plays a nine man rotation and seems the main guys are around 28 to 30 minutes per game. He likes to press and force turnovers.
 
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zjcvols said:
I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb
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I see it exactly opposite, even some of Martin's biggest defenders admitted he wasn't, in their opinion, the long term solution here.

With the roster we had this year, I believe Martin had peaked. The roster next year wasn't going to win many games for him. The 2015 recruiting has been a dead zone for months. There was no upside to tying UT to Martin with both a big raise and a big buy out.

But the bottom line is now and will forever be that Martin apparently didn't like it here, didn't have faith in himself or something. He had a contract with 4 years on it with the half million dollar raise. If he was confident and wanted to be here, he had good incentive to stay.

I think Tyndall or White have a better upside than Martin. To be honest, I think Tyndall has accomplished more than Martin has already. It's much harder to win big somewhere like Morehead than at UT.

People can say Martin inherited a bad roster. But he actually inherited very very good players. 3 All-SEC types and then he did a good job getting Stokes, but that was a once in a lifetime bit of luck that Stokes was even available at that time.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
But Martin wasn't fired. He left.
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Thank you Aggie puke :clapping:

How come a guy that supports a school which begat noted special needs Governor Rick Perry,can grasp this? Whilst self professed mensas on this board faceplant like a lawn jart? :crazy:
 
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zjcvols said:
I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb
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I agree. I was just as mad as you about CCM being run to of town. He was a good coach IMO. But a good amount of vol fans disliked him. No matter how unwarranted this dislike may have been, and no matter how annoyed it made me. Tyndall had nothing to do with that and I don't think we should punish him for what happened to Zo, it's in the past now. This guy is a good coach, and he really wants to be at UT. That alone deserves him all of our support. Forget about Pearl, forget about Zo, forget about Hart's hiring ability (or lack thereof). Donnie Tyndall is our coach now, and he deserves 100% of our support. End of story.
 
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What a stupid thread, initiated by a moron. Donnie Tyndall is a great coach and a great get by Tennessee. To the thread originator, you obviously have no clue who Donnie Tyndall is - or you wouldn't have initiated the post - so why are you spewing clueless comments about Coach Tyndall in typical Volnation fashion?

Get a clue - or get lost!

Go VOLS!!
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I see it exactly opposite, even some of Martin's biggest defenders admitted he wasn't, in their opinion, the long term solution here.

With the roster we had this year, I believe Martin had peaked. The roster next year wasn't going to win many games for him. The 2015 recruiting has been a dead zone for months. There was no upside to tying UT to Martin with both a big raise and a big buy out.

But the bottom line is now and will forever be that Martin apparently didn't like it here, didn't have faith in himself or something. He had a contract with 4 years on it with the half million dollar raise. If he was confident and wanted to be here, he had good incentive to stay.

I think Tyndall or White have a better upside than Martin. To be honest, I think Tyndall has accomplished more than Martin has already. It's much harder to win big somewhere like Morehead than at UT.

People can say Martin inherited a bad roster. But he actually inherited very very good players. 3 All-SEC types and then he did a good job getting Stokes, but that was a once in a lifetime bit of luck that Stokes was even available at that time.
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Martin would have had a winning record in 2014-2015. 2015-2016 looked really good actuallty.

I don't think Martin was the long term answer. But I don't know that he wasn't.

Basically letting Martin go for a guy with Tyndall and/or White's resume is dumb. You, on resume, have the same guy. Tyndall is most likely a slight upgrade, but you add the fact he has baggage and I don't understand why you let an average coach go who had won over 21 games a year for basically the same thing.
 
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utvolpj said:
why? The precedent has been set. Read the threads
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It's not that the precedent has been set, but it more about the unrealistic idiots that are setting them.

Look at it this way, we have played post season basketball 9 years in a row Under 2 different Coaches. It's a good run.

Making the NCAAT next year would be an overachieving, but the NIT might not be out of the question. Who knows.

But at this point, calling it a failure is dumb and I can only believe it is sarcasm.
 
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zjcvols said:
Martin would have had a winning record. 2015 looked really good actuallty.

I don't think Martin was the long term answer. But I don't know that he wasn't.

Basically letting Martin go for a guy with Tyndall and/or White's resume is dumb. You, on resume, have the same guy. Tyndall is most likely a slight upgrade, but you add the fact he has baggage and I don't understand why you let an average coach go who had won over 21 games a year for basically the same thing.
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I don't think they're the same thing. I honestly expected 15-15 once Stokes left and Rhett didn't come. And I don't expect much more in 2015 because we'd be losing our best player in Josh again. The biggest disaster of Zo's recruiting is that he recruited 0 viable posts after Stokes until maybe this year. You can't be going into your 4th year counting on Pops or a freshman to be your starting center.
 
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We just ran off a coach who went to the sweet 16. Why are we now waiting another 3 years to get back to the tournament with the new guy?

Some of you are insane.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
It's not that the precedent has been set, but it more about the unrealistic idiots that are setting them.

Look at it this way, we have played post season basketball 9 years in a row Under 2 different Coaches. It's a good run.

Making the NCAAT next year would be an overachieving, but the NIT might not be out of the question. Who knows.

But at this point, calling it a failure is dumb and I can only believe it is sarcasm.
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It's not dumb.....man you all sit your goals low....I guarantee you that if you asked Tyndall that if he doesnt make the tourney that he will consider it a failure....Doesnt mean that we should want him fired or that we should try to run him out of town. He deserves support and his chance to build a program. This yr might be a challenge but I think he does better than some expect bc I think the returning talent we have fits his style.
 
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TeazyT said:
I agree. I was just as mad as you about CCM being run to of town. He was a good coach IMO. But a good amount of vol fans disliked him. No matter how unwarranted this dislike may have been, and no matter how annoyed it made me. Tyndall had nothing to do with that and I don't think we should punish him for what happened to Zo, it's in the past now. This guy is a good coach, and he really wants to be at UT. That alone deserves him all of our support. Forget about Pearl, forget about Zo, forget about Hart's hiring ability (or lack thereof). Donnie Tyndall is our coach now, and he deserves 100% of our support. End of story.
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I think you nailed it in your last few sentences. Tyndall wants to be here. Zo, by many accounts, did not, for whatever reason.
 
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Domestic Silence said:
We just ran off a coach who went to the sweet 16. Why are we now waiting another 3 years to get back to the tournament with the new guy?

Some of you are insane.
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Because, you know, we lost 4 of the starters off that team and really have no replacements at all.

Last time we did that it took three years to get back to the tournament too and you apparently love the guy who did that.
 
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Guys i just looked it up and nobody has registered http://firedonnietyndell.com

so it's your chance to go ahead, you are ALL going to end up going thru the cycle, and that's the destination you will all get to eventually, so go ahead and register that domain today and make a few bucks.



/joking, but pointing out the more serious point that UT fans as too harsh on coaches.
 
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