What's the magic number?

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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Your idioic attempts to blame Hamilton for the Wyoming loss. Your continued claim that Fulmer would have won 9 games last year even though he was beaten by many of those same teams the year before. Your willingness to claim victory in an argument even though poster after poster has exposed you for the ignorant troll that you are. Your "GSM" and "Hambone experiment" bullcrap.

I'll give you this. It's been entertaining watching you make a complete fool of yourself all summer.
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The bold is the 2nd dumbest argument in the history of VolNation. The most stupid is this thread.

Lost to Miami - Beat Miami
Lost to Florida - Beat Florida
Beat California - Lost to California
Lost to USCe - Beat USCe

I mean, it is plain foolish.

To date no one has exposed any of my posts. That, I'm afraid, is one way traffic the other way. As Tajh, Langley, Clawson, VN polls, 2009 talent, Kiffin on OJT, the Hambone Experiment, the "win-clause" and in fact, just this week, the GoF flamed out on "the Wyoming Question."

It's one way traffic, MBRO. It's time to get on the utgibbs train!
 
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VolDad said:
1st year means squat. Just like Saban’s first year at Bama and Dooley’s first year here means squat. It typically takes a year or more to implement your players and system. With that said, Kiffin’s first year was an improvement over his predecessors 17th year.
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But far from an improvement on what should have been his 18th.
 
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He's not going to get fired after this season. And it doesn't matter how many games he loses.

First off, he's not going to lose 10 games. But even if he did, he'd still be back for year 2. The reasons? Reason #1, Money. We'd still owe him a buyout and a rather large one if it happened after the 1st year, keep in mind, if we fire him before 2013, we owe him. On top of that, if we wanted to bring in a top coach (which we probably wouldn't be able to do given that the program would be in absolute shreds, even compared to now more than likely, So no top coach would want to touch us) then we would owe him and his staff millions of dollars. So we'd still be paying Fulmer, Dooley, and then an entire new coaching staff. Even at UT, that turns into a ridiculous sum of money for a football program to have to fork out just because of it's incompetency over a few year stretch. Reason #2, Even Mike Hamilton realizes the situation we're in isn't warranting much success this year. And I think even he realizes that firing yet another coach would only set this program back yet another 2 years, possibly even longer.

If you want my honest opinion of how this plays out. I think we win 4-6 games this year. Next year I think we win 7-8. After that, It either goes in one of two directions, he turns the program around and gets us back to being contenders. Or he hovers around in mediocrity with 7 or 8 wins a year and gets fired after year 4.

In either scenario, we're much better off than we are now. I hope he turns us back into a contender, but even if he doesn't, by the time year 4 has come and gone, we won't be near as depleted as we are now, and he will have had time to replenish the roster with enough talent for the next coach to come into a much better situation than he did. So it would be much easier for us to lure a good coach to us then.

I'm certainly hoping Dooley turns this program around, but even if he doesn't, I still believe this season is probably worst condition we will see this program in for quite a long time. And that's not even a knock on Dooley, that's just how things have played out. One things for certain any way you look at it, better days are ahead, rather it be with Dooley or some other coach.

But firing Dooley after this season would be one of the dumbest moves that has ever been made in college football. Doesn't matter how good of a coach he is, we just need some stability right now. And if he turns out to be a not-so-good coach, then we'll still be better off than we were if we'd fired him after the first year.
 
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Gator H8R said:
Ill be the first (and many) to say that i wasnt a fan of the hire. But its what we have. If anyone on this forum can outcoach him, im sure the University of Tennessee will gladly accept your resume.
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Only if said person loves sweet tea and grits. I nominate Andy Griffith. He seems to be what Hamilton wants.
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utgibbs said:
Is there a Tennessee coach with a better record against Alabama?

And when you give the answer, I will say, EXACTLY.

Fulmer's worse loss to Bama was 9 - 6, and he wasn't even head coach. Your numbers mean nothing. Miami beat us handily one year in our crib, and we would end their unbeaten run in the Orange Bowl the next.

Had Fulmer had the team (and the gifts) Kiffin received against Bama last year, we would have beaten them.

PS - your post is proof you don't think Dooley is going to beat them either. You Have Failed.
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What?????? Have you forgotten about this game in 2007, Bama beat us 41-17 like a drum under Fulmer's watch. You have failed little Gibbllet Oct. 20 Alabama Tuscaloosa LFN 20/-- 17-41 L
 
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utgibbs said:
The bold is the 2nd dumbest argument in the history of VolNation. The most stupid is this thread.

Lost to Miami - Beat Miami
Lost to Florida - Beat Florida
Beat California - Lost to California
Lost to USCe - Beat USCe

I mean, it is plain foolish.

To date no one has exposed any of my posts. That, I'm afraid, is one way traffic the other way. As Tajh, Langley, Clawson, VN polls, 2009 talent, Kiffin on OJT, the Hambone Experiment, the "win-clause" and in fact, just this week, the GoF flamed out on "the Wyoming Question."

It's one way traffic, MBRO. It's time to get on the utgibbs train!
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The only one who has flamed out repeatedly is you. Your logic has been shown to be flawed time and time again, yet you continue to claim victory.
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
Like i said we could run the ball throw the ball and play defense last yr. We were able to do that because we had the talent and depth to do so. Yet we still had a 7-6 record which ois terrible because we could not consistently do those things. Because of poor coaching
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Dave Clawson has somehow found the "talent and depth" everywhere he's been to have extremely productive offenses. Weird how he wasn't able to even crack the top 100 with a more talented roster than the 2009 edition.
 
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I don't know of any specific number that will get him fired, but if he loses 10 games, it's pretty obvious he's never going to win anything.
 
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strongtower said:
What?????? Have you forgotten about this game in 2007, Bama beat us 41-17 like a drum under Fulmer's watch. You have failed little Gibbllet Oct. 20 Alabama Tuscaloosa LFN 20/-- 17-41 L
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Hilarious how Saban's worst team destroyed best team in recent memory, yet we should have kept him around because of his Bama record.
 
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utgibbs said:
To date no one has exposed any of my posts. That, I'm afraid, is one way traffic the other way. As Tajh, Langley, Clawson, VN polls, 2009 talent, Kiffin on OJT, the Hambone Experiment, the "win-clause" and in fact, just this week, the GoF flamed out on "the Wyoming Question."
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What's funny is that you are the one that introduced all these topics and were thoroughly destroyed each and every time.

Since you want to bring Langley up, I'll ask again for you to name all the BCS starters Kiffin let get away.
 
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Seems like when Kiffin came in most people were hoping for 7-5 this year, and thinking next year would be when UT was back in contention. I think that is still a valid arguement. 6-6 is doable. I'd say the only games that might not be competitive are Alabama and Florida, but we've all been surprised before.
 
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kptvol said:
What's funny is that the GoF introduced all these topics and were thoroughly destroyed each and every time.
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FYP.

If you can come up with something else as ridiculous as "we lost to them last year, how can we beat them the next?" logic, this thread will be the Epic Trifecta of Stupid (EToS).

We can go one step further: if Dooley does go worse than 4 - 8 (doing worse than Kiffin's record), the FCF crowd should pool resources to pay-out Fulmer's buy-out.
 
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strongtower said:
What?????? Have you forgotten about this game in 2007, Bama beat us 41-17 like a drum under Fulmer's watch. You have failed little Gibbllet Oct. 20 Alabama Tuscaloosa LFN 20/-- 17-41 L
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Fulmer had three blowout losses to Alabama. This guy can't possibly be that stupid.
 
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utgibbs said:
FYP.

If you can come up with something else as ridiculous as "we lost to them last year, how can we beat them the next?" logic, this thread will be the Epic Trifecta of Stupid (EToS).

We can go one step further: if Dooley does go worse than 4 - 8 (doing worse than Kiffin's record), the FCF crowd should pool resources to pay-out Fulmer's buy-out.
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The examples you brought up as to UT losing one year and winning the next were generally instances where UT either got significantly better the next year, the opposition got significantly worse, or both. Miami - both. USC - UT got better due to Cutcliffe. Florida - both. Unfortunately, from 2008 - 2009 the exact opposite happened. UT lost a ton of talent, Auburn and UCLA added a good bit.

So, by your recollection, you didn't try to say that Dabo Swinney said specifically that Tajh Boyd was in a tight race for starter? Wrong. Or that you didn't say that we had multiple transfers go on to BCS schools to start, then introduce that Donald Langley "might" be a starter as proof? Wrong.

I'm sorry you won't accept the reality that you're a fool. If you want to believe that everyone else is wrong and calling you dumb because they're afraid of what you're saying, go right ahead. Ignorance can be bliss for some. "GSM" proves that one.
 
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emainvol said:
Fulmer had three blowout losses to Alabama. This guy can't possibly be that stupid.
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You are talking about the guy who tries to use the fact that we had 6 players drafted as proof depth was Kiffin’s fault. Yes he is that stupid.
 
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kptvol said:
The examples you brought up as to UT losing one year and winning the next were generally instances where UT either got significantly better the next year, the opposition got significantly worse, or both. Miami - both. USC - UT got better due to Cutcliffe. Florida - both. Unfortunately, from 2008 - 2009 the exact opposite happened. UT lost a ton of talent, Auburn and UCLA added a good bit.
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False.

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But, sure why not make more stuff up like Tajh is #3 QB at Clemson, like we have no transfer starters at Div 1A schools (including BCS schools).
 
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VolDad said:
You are talking about the guy who tries to use the fact that we had 6 players drafted as proof depth was Kiffin’s fault. Yes he is that stupid.
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Uh, that puts the GSM on your argument we had no talent last year. As KPT has on this very page tried to pass again.

Gloom, Despair, and Agony on GoF......

Edit: well, the last page. Tried to pass off on page 13.
 
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utgibbs said:
Uh, that puts the GSM on your argument we had no talent last year. As KPT has on this very page tried to pass again.

Gloom, Despair, and Agony on GoF......

Edit: well, the last page. Tried to pass off on page 13.
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Does not. Last I checked the roster is greater than 6 players.
 
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VolDad said:
Does not. Last I checked the roster is greater than 6 players.
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That's over a quarter of the starters. And other NFL'ers are on this team this year.

Geesh.

Give me the ol' "the best scout team wins Championships argument."

You ALMOST pushed this into the Epic Trifecta of Stupid (EToS) thread, DVD. Give it one more try! I know you can do it! :clapping:
 
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utgibbs said:
That's over a quarter of the starters. And other NFL'ers are on this team this year.

Geesh.

Give me the ol' "the best scout team wins Championships argument."

You ALMOST pushed this into the Epic Trifecta of Stupid (EToS) thread, DVD. Give it one more try! I know you can do it! :clapping:
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Their talent means squat for the other 75% and does nothing to address depth.; not to mention Special Teams.
 
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VolDad said:
Their talent means squat for the other 75% and does nothing to address depth.; not to mention Special Teams.
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NFL talent at skill positions; upper-classmen going to the NFL....

All SEC-calibre at other positions. Kiffin ran off starters at other Div 1A schools.

Not looking good for you. Looking good for EToS!
 
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