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#51
#51
I think the SEC basically comes down to UF, UT, and UGA for the next two years. USC and UK are fading. LSU is going to drop off some. Bama is rising but Aub looks like they're treading water. MSU could be another team on the rise next year.

All in all, I like next year's schedule better than I did before. UT has won the last two in Athens. UF and Bama at home will be good. USC doesn't really lose that much... they just haven't looked as good as expected this year. Smelley has hardly looked the part and Mitchell will be gone.

UT, UF, and UGA are all young. None lose alot but UGA probably loses just a little more than UT or UF.

After all the talk of UK and USC... the East still ends up between the big 3. UF thumped UT. UT thumped UGA. UGA convincingly beat UF. Even though from our perspective it might seem the balances is tipped against UT... it really isn't. Those three games indicate balance between 3 young teams that can be very good when on a roll but not so great when on a slide.

Next year, all three should be significantly better.
 
#52
#52
UF will have some defensive losses to deal with in addition to a couple of OL's and Caldwell.

As someone mentioned, UT is probably in the best shape with their returning lines.
 
#54
#54
this comment bears some more discussion.......as it relates to "the grass being greener" so to speak.....

we've, self included, all had our issues with the current staff at ut, and rightfully so.

but as i watch teams play this year, there's not one coach out there that hasn't had a game or series of games, that made you think "huh?".

take some of the guys that we hold in such esteem:
Jim Tressel......OSU loses to Illinois, at home, on sr. day, and it turns out the TO he called was the catalyst for Illinois running the clock out with 8+ minutes to go. and they didn't have to put the ball in the air. Juice williams up the middle, to the right, to the left......5, 6, 7, 10 yards a clip and they couldn't stop him. and it wasn't like they were doing a lot of fancy stuff.....it reminded me of Tebow last year against us in Neyland....we simply couldn't stop it. and they couldn't stop it time after time after time for 8 solid minutes.....

Urban Meyer....loses 2 games they probably shouldn't have against GA and Auburn. and you can look at the play calling with running Tebow in both games as part of the problem, moreso Auburn than GA. where was the down the feild stuff? where were all the playmakers they have? even the crowd at one point during the Auburn game was booing.......then you look at the defense, and by all rights it hasn't developed over the course of the year to make the kind of difference needed esp against the pass.

Steve Spurrier....4 game losing streak including a loss to Vandy cause the OFFENSE simply can't get going and they aren't stopping anyone from running the ball. many will say losing Jasper Brinkley is a big part of that.

Bob Stoops--inexplicably loses to a bad Col team cause their D can't get one stop late in the 4th qtr, and he's supposed to be a def. guru.

Jeff Tefford--upon beating TN and ORe, takes the vaunted bears on the road and can't out score Or St or UCLA and gets beat by USC........again. and he's the offensive genius behind the spread and master qb coach? USC has beaten them 5 or 6 years straight or something.....and this wasn't exactly your older brother's USC either.....

Charlie Weiss.....1-9. offense can't do poo, and he's got multiple SB rings as an off. coord in the NFL. and he's got the golden boy qb, and he still can't settle on 1 of 4 guys, one of which has now transferred.

Pete Carroll--everybody's all american, apparently even he can't overcome the injury bug, despite landing top class after top class.........the cupboard being so full, people are leaving USC just so they can actually play somewhere else.......

Bobby Bowden....FSU is just another team. they are as average as average can be. back to back losses to Wake, lost several to Clemson..the offense can't get going, they can't run the ball, they can't throw the ball......the def is better than average, but it's not winning them any games.


so, i look at all that, and i'm not necessarily trying to justify or defend anything CPF has done, not done, said or not said........and i know most of these coaches have won something, in most cases, whether it be conf. titles, BCS bowls, National titles more recently than we have......but if these are the cream of the crop, and we're always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence.......it bears mentioning, no one is immune to this type of stuff. and does the fact that all these things have happend to each of these coaches make them less of a coach today? no. what they do have going for them is recent success, CPF does not.

take that for whatever it's worth......but maybe just maybe we're not all as smart as we think we are. Which is why i'd just assume we win these next two games, go to Atlanta and take our chances.

CPF won't be here forever, of that i'm certain, and i'm still not convinced that it shouldn't come sooner than later, but until that time comes, at least for this year, i see a lot of coaches going thru many of the same things that seem to have happened to us over the past few years. just not in the volume or regularity that it seems to have happened to us.
Raw talent, size and expectations make this feel like a "let down". Hopefully, Ainge has his finger REALLY hurt. Just because of Urban, or any others record....don't equate the two. Seperate topics IMO.
 
#55
#55
I'll tell you where there is room to worry, look at the top couple of hundred who remain uncommitted. Not many of them have the Vols listed as a high interest school. Saban is poaching from the south, the Mississippi schools will get their usual haul from amongst the better players in Memphis, and Spurlock looks to be headed to Columbia. Also, for once, I'd like to see the Vols recruit at need positions instead of packing in a few more highly rated nonqualifiers to pad the recruiting rankings. Let's see an elite QB (Pryor?) and more elite O-linemen (McClain, Tuioti-Mariner, K.Page, Freeman?).
First of all, return your avatar...this is decieving:thumbsup:. Secondly, all that will change if we can sweep. Do I think we can???/ No, because I've been conditioned that way. Do I hope the Vols "deprogram" me....Hell Yeah....(I KNOW THERE IS A BIGGER PIC, BUT i JUST WANT TO HAVE OUR BOYS DO IT!!)
 
#56
#56
I'll tell you where there is room to worry, look at the top couple of hundred who remain uncommitted. Not many of them have the Vols listed as a high interest school. Saban is poaching from the south, the Mississippi schools will get their usual haul from amongst the better players in Memphis, and Spurlock looks to be headed to Columbia. Also, for once, I'd like to see the Vols recruit at need positions instead of packing in a few more highly rated nonqualifiers to pad the recruiting rankings. Let's see an elite QB (Pryor?) and more elite O-linemen (McClain, Tuioti-Mariner, K.Page, Freeman?).


First of all, retuen your avatar...this is decieving:thumbsup:. Secondly, all that will change if we can sweep. Do I think we can???/ No, because I've been conditioned that way. Do I hope the Vols "deprogram" me....Hell Yeah....(I KNOW THERE IS A BIGGER PIC, BUT i JUST WANT TO HAVE OUR BOYS DO IT!!)

There. Now you can read it
 
#57
#57
I think Florida will be very, very good next year. Their offense will be better and their defense will come around making them very dangerous. They are one of my early favorites in the national title chase. Urban Meyer also seems to have a lot of success every 2 years.
....and Tebow is a one man highlight film....hate it 'cuz he's not a Vol, but man . I love a homeschool boy coming out and "rocking" the FB world. BTW, LG, still kiss my fat white _______:salute:. I respect TEBOW not the reptile nation.
 
#60
#60
First of all, retuen your avatar...this is decieving:thumbsup:. Secondly, all that will change if we can sweep. Do I think we can???/ No, because I've been conditioned that way. Do I hope the Vols "deprogram" me....Hell Yeah....(I KNOW THERE IS A BIGGER PIC, BUT i JUST WANT TO HAVE OUR BOYS DO IT!!)
I hear you but my dejection over the likelihood of Fulmer's return when I thought we were so close to finally slipping the noose has just soured the entire season for me, even if it includes a Sugar Bowl appearance.
 
#61
#61
I hear you but my dejection over the likelihood of Fulmer's return when I thought we were so close to finally slipping the noose has just soured the entire season for me, even if it includes a Sugar Bowl appearance.
I'm hoping we will sweep.....have a great wrap-up in the bowl, and CPF will retire....that way everybody wins......I know, wishful thinking, but that would be what I would script if I was sittin' over the crystal ball.....I know how theoligically incorrect that is so spare the ink correcting me:)
 
#62
#62
....and Tebow is a one man highlight film....hate it 'cuz he's not a Vol, but man . I love a homeschool boy coming out and "rocking" the FB world. BTW, LG, still kiss my fat white _______:salute:. I respect TEBOW not the reptile nation.


LOL, now there's a man who can admit the competition is fierce but stay competitive, all at the same time.
 
#63
#63
Raw talent, size and expectations make this feel like a "let down". Hopefully, Ainge has his finger REALLY hurt. Just because of Urban, or any others record....don't equate the two. Seperate topics IMO.
please elaborate on this.........?
 
#64
#64
I've noticed that Rivals has our 08 class rated 29th what's up with that? seven SEC teams rated above us!!

We have guys coming from jc and then like they are not including and some of which are not for sure like morley, williams, warren....other than secondary or dt if they are not a complete stud they will not be playing for awhile also
 
#65
#65
I think that UT is going to have to play catch up behind UF and UGA. Florida has a player who has a great chance to win the heisman as a sophomore. UGA is going to have stafford back, and while he may not make huge strides he will probably make the type of game decisions that a veteran qb makes. We on the other hand should have a stout defense and a freshman QB. We would all like to hope that whoever is behind center next year will be able to lead this team but the fact is that generally there are some growing pains. I'm praying that the defense makes the season for us next year.

You never know what is going to happen this is a game of centimeters in the SEC but our D should be the best of the big three next year Chavis or not. Those Linebackers and DEs with Berry, Vinson and Morley should be formidable. I would not bet on any game in the SEC for awhile but we are in it as much as any one. Crompton (As good as Stafford and Tebow in a pro style offense) has all the abilities in a QB more so than any the other guys we have now, how his head develops is anyone's guess. He has not had his shot yet, but Cut usually gets all the juice out of his QBs.
 
#66
#66
most fans on here thinking that Florida is going to dominate the SEC for the next two years and basically saying that UT doesn't have a chance.

In fairness the only person I really see saying that happens to be a Gator fan. I would argue a number of us, myself included, eschew that point of view on a regular enough basis. The only thing UF has for sure that we don't next seasons is a proven QB, but we won a National Title with the QB who came after our best ever. There were certainly big differences between that team and this one, but I point it out because even though we are losing our senior QB we should presumably have someone ready to step in and take his place be it Crompton, Stephens, or Coleman. If our defense continues to play like it has against Georgia and Arkansas I have every reason to believe we'll be in good shape next year considering we are returning most of the O-line and all our of RBs/WRs too.
 
#67
#67
Earl Campbell stayed healthy for full seasons and he took far worse beatings. He was no bigger than Tebow.

Tebow's injuries won't do him in. Defenses catching up with his running will.

Did Campbell have to throw it down the field accurately? I mean a sore body on a RB take a pill keep going on a QB well here comes your loss.
 
#68
#68
Gaines got a 6th year of eligibility, Parrish has done next to nothing. No loss there.

Martin, Walker, Williams, Brown, Ayers.... I'd say there are two or three decent DEs in that group.

Mapu leaves, 2 redshirt freshmen step in Brimfield and Langley as well Nelson and Shaw.

Linebacker is the deepest position on the team. Mayo moves outside and either Wilson or Donald goes to the middle, or Mayo stays and McKenzie/Myers-White goes to the OLB.

Hefney hurts. Evans, Willingham, Rogan, or Faison could all step in there, hell Berry could be moved there.

And one more thing, why is it that UF can get better in the off-season and UT can't?
I've heard that, in true UT fashion, Donald is now a DE
 
#69
#69
I haven't gathered that the general concensus is that UF will dominate and we'll have no chance. I think we have a decent chance from a talent standpoint. However, we are now very likely to still have CPF roaming the sidelines and that is a huge disadvantage for us in playing the better teams in the conference.

:yes:
 
#71
#71
I was one of the people saying UF is going to dominate us in 2008 and 2009. And I stand by it.
 
#72
#72
In fairness the only person I really see saying that happens to be a Gator fan. I would argue a number of us, myself included, eschew that point of view on a regular enough basis. The only thing UF has for sure that we don't next seasons is a proven QB, but we won a National Title with the QB who came after our best ever. There were certainly big differences between that team and this one, but I point it out because even though we are losing our senior QB we should presumably have someone ready to step in and take his place be it Crompton, Stephens, or Coleman. If our defense continues to play like it has against Georgia and Arkansas I have every reason to believe we'll be in good shape next year considering we are returning most of the O-line and all our of RBs/WRs too.

I was one of the people saying UF is going to dominate us in 2008 and 2009. And I stand by it.


TreeGreen, there are a lot of people who think that Florida is going to be very strong for the next couple of years, not just Gator fans. And I do not mean to throw VolinArizona under the bus on this, either. He's not the only Volsfan who sees things the way this Gator does. Just the easiest to find at the moment.
 
#73
#73
UF should be the dominant force in the SEC East. I don't think the talent gap is as wide as some make it out to be though.

However, as a UT fan I hope they aren't.
 
#74
#74
TreeGreen, there are a lot of people who think that Florida is going to be very strong for the next couple of years, not just Gator fans. And I do not mean to throw VolinArizona under the bus on this, either. He's not the only Volsfan who sees things the way this Gator does. Just the easiest to find at the moment.

UF should be the dominant force in the SEC East. I don't think the talent gap is as wide as some make it out to be though.

However, as a UT fan I hope they aren't.
yeah, i don't think anyone is disputing what "should" be the case. just that it's not a slam dunk, under lock and key, guarantee.......

they do still have to play the games after all.

but i don't think anyone expects anything less than FL to be the favorite next year, and probably coming to Neyland next season as the favorite as well.

and when it comes time to make predictions next year, i will likely look at FL as a loss on the schedule as well, but that still doesn't mean "we have no chance" to win the darn game. we do. i've already gone thru the reasons why, i'm not going re hash it again. and LG has listed all the reasons why the gators will once again be the favorite, so no need to go thru that.

i'll say only this.......the gators were the favorite to win the East this year too and we know how that's turning out.:thumbsup:
 
#75
#75
TreeGreen, there are a lot of people who think that Florida is going to be very strong for the next couple of years, not just Gator fans. And I do not mean to throw VolinArizona under the bus on this, either. He's not the only Volsfan who sees things the way this Gator does. Just the easiest to find at the moment.

That is why certain parts are going to get very blue. The gators will look very dominate at times for the next couple years then lose random games due to a sore Tebow. They are going to make you believe they cannot lose and then lose to med-level teams. Enjoy it.
 
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