Whatever happened to Kwanzaa?

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FLVOL_79 said:
Almost zero people knew of "Juneteenth" before Biden made it a holiday and not because it’s the most ghetto ebonic sounding word ever uttered by a President. Biden was trying to out black Obama in some desperate attempt to salvage his disastrous Presidency.
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Almost sounds like you voted for Biden in 2020.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Almost zero people knew of "Juneteenth" before Biden made it a holiday and not because its the most ghetto ebonic sounding word ever uttered by a President. Biden was trying to out black Obama in some desperate attempt to salvage his disastrous Presidency.
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Biden didn't make it a holiday. Again, it's existed for 150 years. He made it a federal holiday and it was the right move regardless of his motives. This should have been a federal holiday for at least 100 years. We were too racist and now we act like it shouldn't be a holiday because it's new to some of us.

I'll take Juneteenth over a few of our existing federal holidays. We are celebrating the righting of the worst wrong in US history. This is a great thing.
 
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Boca Vol said:
If it was so important, why didn't it become a "thing" until 2020 and the Summer of Love tour by BLM and the Libs?

Go ask 10 people of mixed races and you'll get about 7 different answers on what it is.
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It was a "thing" just not to you, because whites don't care about a black holiday. Outright racists in the past definitely weren't going to make it official when super cool whites from the future like our VN regulars don't see the point of this holiday and weirdly resist it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was a "thing" just not to you, because whites don't care about a black holiday. Outright racists in the past definitely weren't going to make it official when super cool whites from the future like our VN regulars don't see the point of this holiday and weirdly resist it.
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Teach me. What is the point of this insipid holiday?
 
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MHS Rebel said:
Teach me. What is the point of this insipid holiday?
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It's to celebrate the freeing of the slaves.

Labor day is a holiday literally for no reason, everybody loves it, and here people simultaneously demand that Juneteenth mean something without bothering to do the two seconds of research it takes to find out it is a meaningful holiday.

I just want one person to say what you're all dancing around, "freeing the slaves is not worthy of celebration." I doubt anybody will say it explicitly, but that's what you're saying.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was a "thing" just not to you, because whites don't care about a black holiday. Outright racists in the past definitely weren't going to make it official when super cool whites from the future like our VN regulars don't see the point of this holiday and weirdly resist it.
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It was not a thing to a lot of people, of all races. If you are from Texas, then yes you probably knew what it is. It was probably not adopted as a federal holiday because that date is specific for Texas. Yes, it is celebrated as the last Emancipation Proclamation to be enforced. Like Tennessee declared enforcement on October 24th, 1864 and certified in February 27, 1865. Yet neither of those dates are a federal holiday.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's to celebrate the freeing of the slaves.

Labor day is a holiday literally for no reason, everybody loves it, and here people simultaneously demand that Juneteenth mean something without bothering to do the two seconds of research it takes to find out it is a meaningful holiday.

I just want one person to say what you're all dancing around, "freeing the slaves is not worthy of celebration." I doubt anybody will say it explicitly, but that's what you're saying.
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Labor Day is associated with the work done to allow for fair wages, safer work standards, and hours worked standards. Fairly certain that is all still a hot topic nowadays, maybe we should celebrate it harder.

I have zero complaints about Juneteenth, but it was 100% pushed as a pandering tool. It should be celebrated for what it is, not for trying to gain favor points.
 
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I mean a study of race relations in the Gilded Age includes at least some detail about "Jubilee Day," which was a common name for the day in various parts of the South, as others have pointed out chiefly in Texas.
My daughters take the grandkids to Juneteenth celebrations here and have for a couple of years. They have a good time. I'm not a Leftist, but I don't see what the problem is. ??????
I was in graduate school in the 90s in history, and we talked a lot about it in our classes.
I was pretty shocked when the national dialogue brought it up and people had never heard of it, tbh.
 
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GordonC said:
I mean a study of race relations in the Gilded Age includes at least some detail about "Jubilee Day," which was a common name for the day in various parts of the South, as others have pointed out chiefly in Texas.
My daughters take the grandkids to Juneteenth celebrations here and have for a couple of years. They have a good time. I'm not a Leftist, but I don't see what the problem is. ??????
I was in graduate school in the 90s in history, and we talked a lot about it in our classes.
I was pretty shocked when the national dialogue brought it up and people had never heard of it, tbh.
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I think for a lot of people if you are not getting off work for it, you probably don’t know about it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was a "thing" just not to you, because whites don't care about a black holiday. Outright racists in the past definitely weren't going to make it official when super cool whites from the future like our VN regulars don't see the point of this holiday and weirdly resist it.
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I care about Christmas. Does that not count as a “black” holiday?
 
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volfanhill said:
Why would anyone have a problem with emancipation day and not think it should be celebrated? The federal government never had one. This is what June teenth means from a federal perspective. Weird thing to be against
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IMO, either hating change because it's change or thinking it's "woke" because Black people. If MLK Day only became a federal holiday in 2020, conservatives would be furious about it
 
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NashVol11 said:
IMO, either hating change because it's change or thinking it's "woke" because Black people. If MLK Day only became a federal holiday in 2020, conservatives would be furious about it
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There are 11 federal holidays. Well 13 if you include Xmas eve and the 26th. The emancipation of slaves is more important than the following federal holidays without debate in terms of deserving recognized status. That doesn't mean I don't think these dates deserve it too. Some don't. But here is the list IMO:


New Years Day
Xmas Eve
The 26th
Columbus Day
MLK Day
Thanksgiving
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's to celebrate the freeing of the slaves.

Labor day is a holiday literally for no reason, everybody loves it, and here people simultaneously demand that Juneteenth mean something without bothering to do the two seconds of research it takes to find out it is a meaningful holiday.

I just want one person to say what you're all dancing around, "freeing the slaves is not worthy of celebration." I doubt anybody will say it explicitly, but that's what you're saying.
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I was asking about kwanz. I know juneteeth. Here in East Tennessee, the minorities celebrate it on august 8, because that is when they got the word.
 
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NashVol11 said:
IMO, either hating change because it's change or thinking it's "woke" because Black people. If MLK Day only became a federal holiday in 2020, conservatives would be furious about it
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Isn’t it ironic that MLK Day is the same day as Bobbie Lee’s birthday ? REL day is January 19, my bd too and dolly too. Yes, I know MLK Day is a Monday holiday, but occasionally on January 19.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's to celebrate the freeing of the slaves.

Labor day is a holiday literally for no reason, everybody loves it, and here people simultaneously demand that Juneteenth mean something without bothering to do the two seconds of research it takes to find out it is a meaningful holiday.

I just want one person to say what you're all dancing around, "freeing the slaves is not worthy of celebration." I doubt anybody will say it explicitly, but that's what you're saying.
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I normally chief a lot of ganja to celebrate Juneteenth. What do you do?
 
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I actually wish there were fewer holidays.
Like most things American they've become a money grab.
 
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volfanhill said:
Why would anyone have a problem with emancipation day and not think it should be celebrated? The federal government never had one. This is what June teenth means from a federal perspective. Weird thing to be against
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I’m just against another paid holiday for government employees and bankers. We need to cut some, not add.
 
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Labor Day was started around the Industrial Revolution when people started to work in factories to let them off to harvest their crops. Then the unions hijacked it.
 
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volfanhill said:
Why would anyone have a problem with emancipation day and not think it should be celebrated? The federal government never had one. This is what June teenth means from a federal perspective. Weird thing to be against
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I think the federal government should have recognized the date when the 13th amendment was put into effect. Then states should have holidays for their state’s emancipation date. I get the reasoning around Juneteenth also though, just seems more regional than federal.
 
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