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What would it take to convince a men's basketball coach to cross over?

After all, Geno started out as an assistant in the men's ranks and we all know how that played out. Many years ago, I used to feel that men had no business coaching the women but I've gotten over that as time has passed. It would take a man with a unique set of values. No greediness, no ego, no wanting to jump from another program he's already coaching just to further his own ambitions. A man totally comfortable in his own skin.

What would please the fanbase? Obviously, the man should have a coaching background that would be worthy of consideration by the powers that be that make these decisions. Most importantly, a genuine family man. A man that is in the business of coaching for all the right reasons lke a certain LadyVol coach before the WNBA existed. Somebody with the sole goal of helping players develope life skills that will advance them in life and just not in basketball for a few short years. Somebody that can put a bunch of 3 star players together overachieving to be the best TEAM that they can be. Somebody that has been associated with a winner every place he has coached. Somebody that knows how to develope players. Somebody that knows that players aren't the same as they were 20 years ago, thanks to AAU ball and social media, and has adjusted his approach to keep up with the times. Somebody that is a branch from a reputable coaching tree with proven success at all stops of his career. Somebody that would return the LadyVol basketball program to it's rightful place in a few short years.

I posted about this particular coach almost half-heartedly in a previous thread that I'm sure got buried quickly as most of my late responses to threads do. This time, I wanted to bring it to the forefront. I'm 66 yrs old and by today's standards, pretty much computer illiterate. So please take the time to go to the UT men's basketball coaches page found under the Roster heading. Read the bio on Michael Schwartz and watch the short video. This man has all the qualities that would make a fanbase proud to have leading and COACHING our LadyVols. I think he only makes about 250k now, so we could probably convince him to make the jump and still pay a little less than we're paying our current coach. With built in incentive clauses we could bring him closer to today's head coaching salaries. He also has two daughters that could become LadyVols down the road. I'd bet if you asked any player on the men's team about him, you'd get the same response that I have so awkwardly tried to convey in this thread.

Nobody had heard of Pat Head when she was hired to build the LadyVol program and women's basketball right along with it. I believe this man deserves a serious look.
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
What would it take to convince a men's basketball coach to cross over?

After all, Geno started out as an assistant in the men's ranks and we all know how that played out. Many years ago, I used to feel that men had no business coaching the girls but I've gotten over that as time has passed. It would take a man with a unique set of values. No greediness, no ego, no wanting to jump from another program he's already coaching just to further his own ambitions. A man totally comfortable in his own skin.

What would please the fanbase? Obviously, the man should have a coaching background that would be worthy of consideration by the powers that be that make these decisions. Most importantly, a genuine family man. A man that is in the business of coaching for all the right reasons lke a certain LadyVol coach before the WNBA existed. Somebody with the sole goal of helping players develope life skills that will advance them in life and just not in basketball for a few short years. Somebody that can put a bunch of 3 star players together overachieving to be the best TEAM that they can be. Somebody that has been associated with a winner every place he has coached. Somebody that knows how to develope players. Somebody that knows that players aren't the same as they were 20 years ago, thanks to AAU ball and social media, and has adjusted his approach to keep up with the times. Somebody that is a branch from a reputable coaching tree with proven success at all stops of his career. Somebody that would return the LadyVol basketball program to it's rightful place in a few short years.

I posted about this particular coach almost half-heartedly in a previous thread that I'm sure got buried quickly as most of my late responses to threads do. This time, I wanted to bring it to the forefront. I'm 66 yrs old and by today's standards, pretty much computer illiterate. So please take the time to go to the UT men's basketball coaches page found under the Roster heading. Read the bio on Michael Schwartz and watch the short video. This man has all the qualities that would make a fanbase proud to have leading and COACHING our LadyVols. I think he only makes about 250k now, so we could probably convince him to make the jump and still pay a little less than we're paying our current coach. With built in incentive clauses we could bring him closer to today's head coaching salaries. He also has two daughters that could become LadyVols down the road. I'd bet if you asked any player on the men's team about him, you'd get the same response that I have so awkwardly tried to convey in this thread.

Nobody had heard of Pat Head when she was hired to build the LadyVol program and women's basketball right along with it. I believe this man deserves a serious look.
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I really like your comments. My only reservation would be to hire an assistant coach who has never been a head coach. Geno was a rare find for UCONN. Holly should have been a good head coach by all circumstances, but she is one of the worst. The LVs need a HC with a proven track record like Vic Schaefer or Kelly Graves or Wes Moore.
 
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Nute Gunray said:
I really like your comments. My only reservation would be to hire an assistant coach who has never been a head coach. Geno was a rare find for UCONN. Holly should have been a good head coach by all circumstances, but she is one of the worst. The LVs need a HC with a proven track record like Vic Schaefer or Kelly Graves or Wes Moore.
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Holly Was Pat's "Good Cop", her yes woman. Michael Schwartz is any thing but that. When the vols come to the bench after a mistake on the floor, He sometimes beats Barnes to the opportunity to get in their face and correct the defeciency on the spot. Ask grant Williams. No comparison as to how him and Holly view(ed) and handle(d) their responsibilities as an assistant coach. This man will be a HC soon and it would be our loss if we didn't at least consider him.
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
What would it take to convince a men's basketball coach to cross over?

After all, Geno started out as an assistant in the men's ranks and we all know how that played out. Many years ago, I used to feel that men had no business coaching the girls but I've gotten over that as time has passed. It would take a man with a unique set of values. No greediness, no ego, no wanting to jump from another program he's already coaching just to further his own ambitions. A man totally comfortable in his own skin.

What would please the fanbase? Obviously, the man should have a coaching background that would be worthy of consideration by the powers that be that make these decisions. Most importantly, a genuine family man. A man that is in the business of coaching for all the right reasons lke a certain LadyVol coach before the WNBA existed. Somebody with the sole goal of helping players develope life skills that will advance them in life and just not in basketball for a few short years. Somebody that can put a bunch of 3 star players together overachieving to be the best TEAM that they can be. Somebody that has been associated with a winner every place he has coached. Somebody that knows how to develope players. Somebody that knows that players aren't the same as they were 20 years ago, thanks to AAU ball and social media, and has adjusted his approach to keep up with the times. Somebody that is a branch from a reputable coaching tree with proven success at all stops of his career. Somebody that would return the LadyVol basketball program to it's rightful place in a few short years.

I posted about this particular coach almost half-heartedly in a previous thread that I'm sure got buried quickly as most of my late responses to threads do. This time, I wanted to bring it to the forefront. I'm 66 yrs old and by today's standards, pretty much computer illiterate. So please take the time to go to the UT men's basketball coaches page found under the Roster heading. Read the bio on Michael Schwartz and watch the short video. This man has all the qualities that would make a fanbase proud to have leading and COACHING our LadyVols. I think he only makes about 250k now, so we could probably convince him to make the jump and still pay a little less than we're paying our current coach. With built in incentive clauses we could bring him closer to today's head coaching salaries. He also has two daughters that could become LadyVols down the road. I'd bet if you asked any player on the men's team about him, you'd get the same response that I have so awkwardly tried to convey in this thread.

Nobody had heard of Pat Head when she was hired to build the LadyVol program and women's basketball right along with it. I believe this man deserves a serious look.
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Michael Schwartz?...I thought you were about to recommend me
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Michael Schwartz?...I thought you were about to recommend me
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Sorry coach, you'd be my second choice. Hang in there.
The change won't probably happen for a couple of years anyway so you have plenty of time to still lobby for it.
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
What would it take to convince a men's basketball coach to cross over?

After all, Geno started out as an assistant in the men's ranks and we all know how that played out. Many years ago, I used to feel that men had no business coaching the girls but I've gotten over that as time has passed. It would take a man with a unique set of values. No greediness, no ego, no wanting to jump from another program he's already coaching just to further his own ambitions. A man totally comfortable in his own skin.

What would please the fanbase? Obviously, the man should have a coaching background that would be worthy of consideration by the powers that be that make these decisions. Most importantly, a genuine family man. A man that is in the business of coaching for all the right reasons lke a certain LadyVol coach before the WNBA existed. Somebody with the sole goal of helping players develope life skills that will advance them in life and just not in basketball for a few short years. Somebody that can put a bunch of 3 star players together overachieving to be the best TEAM that they can be. Somebody that has been associated with a winner every place he has coached. Somebody that knows how to develope players. Somebody that knows that players aren't the same as they were 20 years ago, thanks to AAU ball and social media, and has adjusted his approach to keep up with the times. Somebody that is a branch from a reputable coaching tree with proven success at all stops of his career. Somebody that would return the LadyVol basketball program to it's rightful place in a few short years.

I posted about this particular coach almost half-heartedly in a previous thread that I'm sure got buried quickly as most of my late responses to threads do. This time, I wanted to bring it to the forefront. I'm 66 yrs old and by today's standards, pretty much computer illiterate. So please take the time to go to the UT men's basketball coaches page found under the Roster heading. Read the bio on Michael Schwartz and watch the short video. This man has all the qualities that would make a fanbase proud to have leading and COACHING our LadyVols. I think he only makes about 250k now, so we could probably convince him to make the jump and still pay a little less than we're paying our current coach. With built in incentive clauses we could bring him closer to today's head coaching salaries. He also has two daughters that could become LadyVols down the road. I'd bet if you asked any player on the men's team about him, you'd get the same response that I have so awkwardly tried to convey in this thread.

Nobody had heard of Pat Head when she was hired to build the LadyVol program and women's basketball right along with it. I believe this man deserves a serious look.
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Please don't call the program for males as the "men's" but that for the females the "girl's!"
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
My apologies. I edited my original post so it wouldn't offend you or anybody else. My bad.
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Speaking as a female. No problem @TMHoosierVol. I think young females can accept "girls" better than young males can accept "boys". Macho thing. We need to remember they are all 17/18-21/22 year olds. But @bobkitten has a valid point from the "respect" angle; don't think disrespect was your intent thoughšŸ‘. šŸ˜‰
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Speaking as a female. No problem @TMHoosierVol. I think young females can accept "girls" better than young males can accept "boys". Macho thing. We need to remember they are all 17/18-21/22 year olds. But @bobkitten has a valid point from the "respect" angle; don't think disrespect was your intent thoughšŸ‘. šŸ˜‰
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I call my 23 year old daughter girl.
I address the team as "Girls"
to me it is a term of endearment

You are spot on, SV, it is a macho thing
"Boy!"
My Aunt (81) still refers to me and my brothers as the "boys"

I do have my "comeback" for her
;o)
Something like" You must have caught me skinnydipping in cold water"

We laugh, but I am definitely one of the boys.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
I call my 23 year old daughter girl.
I address the team as "Girls"
to me it is a term of endearment

You are spot on, SV, it is a macho thing
"Boy!"
My Aunt (81) still refers to me and my brothers as the "boys"

I do have my "comeback" for her
;o)
Something like" You must have caught me skinnydipping in cold water"

We laugh, but I am definitely one of the boys.
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Itā€™s sort of like ā€˜Bless your heartā€™. Can have multiple layers of meaning; depends on who, when, where, why, how, etc. And especially intonation!šŸ˜
 
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TMHoosierVol said:
What would it take to convince a men's basketball coach to cross over?
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A mens' basketball coach? Money, title, room to operate, ability to run program as they see fit, all that sort of thing. Most coaches want the ability to run their ship without interference and want the support needed to reach recruits, have presence, all that jazz. They want as advantageous a situation as they can find. But really, UT should want someone who's ambitious. We will have to pay for that -- and if we want the Lady Vols to be a premiere program, we should be willing to do that. Finding a turnkey coaching choice would be difficult. Even a great men's coach couldn't just walk in the door - there has to be relationships, and there has to be a staff that can evaluate the talent, improve the talent, all that. And more. The mindset of women's players isn't dissimilar but there can be differences, and the coach has to manage those egos and those personalities to maximize their potential. But even that said, the money is definitely the big selling point.

Although that said, I don't think the Lady Vols *have* to have the biggest name or the best name to get back to the top. The program's status and the fans (assuming they come back) can go a long way toward elevating a good coach to greatness. It's like how Kentucky can be great regardless of coaching (usually), or UNC can be great regardless of coaching (usually). If the staffing, support, and program organization are in place, then even a "good" coach can make a big impact.
 
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robow said:
WRONG!!..needs to be in reverse order.
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It will take everyone to stop going to game. I was shocked to actually see for the first time that camera only shows 5 rolls and just the rolls was still empty like 20 ppl
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Speaking as a female. No problem @TMHoosierVol. I think young females can accept "girls" better than young males can accept "boys". Macho thing. We need to remember they are all 17/18-21/22 year olds. But @bobkitten has a valid point from the "respect" angle; don't think disrespect was your intent thoughšŸ‘. šŸ˜‰
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It's all about context and intent. Was it intended to be disrespectful? No way.

My wife just celebrated her 70th. She still goes out with the girls, shops with the girls, meets the girls for lunch etc. After 50+ years she's still my girl.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Speaking as a female. No problem @TMHoosierVol. I think young females can accept "girls" better than young males can accept "boys". Macho thing. We need to remember they are all 17/18-21/22 year olds. But @bobkitten has a valid point from the "respect" angle; don't think disrespect was your intent thoughšŸ‘. šŸ˜‰
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YMMV, but I think it's consensus that the opposite is true. . At previous job, I was on a team with 6 men and 1 woman. She referred to us collectively as "the boys" (our age range was 30-50+). As in, "what are you boys up to?" or "the boys are having a night out", etc... I can't say any of us thought anything negative of it. In fact, we started referring to ourselves the same way whenever we talked to her.

On the flip side, I've had multiple female coworkers completely flip out if someone individually or collectively refers to women as girls, saying how disrespectful it is to them.
 
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Amb3096 said:
YMMV, but I think it's consensus that the opposite is true. . At previous job, I was on a team with 6 men and 1 woman. She referred to us collectively as "the boys" (our age range was 30-50+). As in, "what are you boys up to?" or "the boys are having a night out", etc... I can't say any of us thought anything negative of it. In fact, we started referring to ourselves the same way whenever we talked to her.

On the flip side, I've had multiple female coworkers completely flip out if someone individually or collectively refers to women as girls, saying how disrespectful it is to them.
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Those girls need to lighten up
boys, is just wrong with you in the group

Girls fits as a coach
When I think of saying "ladies",,,I immediately think of Howie Mandels call to his suit-case squad

I call my daughter my girl
and she will be until she is someone else's girl
or until she is offended by my use of girl
then
she is Lady/Woman
 
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Amb3096 said:
YMMV, but I think it's consensus that the opposite is true. . At previous job, I was on a team with 6 men and 1 woman. She referred to us collectively as "the boys" (our age range was 30-50+). As in, "what are you boys up to?" or "the boys are having a night out", etc... I can't say any of us thought anything negative of it. In fact, we started referring to ourselves the same way whenever we talked to her.

On the flip side, I've had multiple female coworkers completely flip out if someone individually or collectively refers to women as girls, saying how disrespectful it is to them.
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Donā€™t know what YMMV means, looked it up, ā€œyour mileage may varyā€ was most commonšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. I was speaking more of college age; I think, in that age range, males may be more sensitive than females. Plus, ā€œfull grown menā€ are usually a little more confident as to what they are called. Bottom line though, it still is usually taken as the receiver interprets what they think is the speakerā€™s intent. Also, in my experience, women are a little bit more sensitive to respect/equality when in a workplace environment. Based on past history that is understandable, but IMO time to get over it. Thereā€™s laws to handle inequality, harassment, etc. Document it and go to HR if you have a problem. HR not follow the law thereā€™s a ton of HR attorneys out there....more than willing. Speaking from experience from the employerā€™s perspective. Believe me, I wanted us to be COMPLIANT!
 
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brassie said:
It's all about context and intent. Was it intended to be disrespectful? No way.

My wife just celebrated her 70th. She still goes out with the girls, shops with the girls, meets the girls for lunch etc. After 50+ years she's still my girl.
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Yes, my art teacher would call her friends ā€œthe girlsā€, even when she was in her 80ā€™s. They all had a great time! As you say, context and intent. She could have frozen you with just a look if she had felt insultedšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚.
 
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