what would dooley have accomplished?

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tenn_opie

tenn_opie

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if he and his coaching staff woulda had the teams that Phill had in the mid to late 90s? I know this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but i'm just curious to know what all of yall think. I think we woulda had at least 1 more NC and 1 maybe 2 more SEC titles. MR. Manning woulda left with better numbers than he did IMO, and woulda won a few a them big games that some people like to say he choked in...what do yall think woulda happened???
 
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we would have converted those fourth and 1's against fla to seal three games
 
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So, one season and you are claiming Dooley to be better than Phil and any staffs he had?

Sure, I guess the fact that Phil is second only to Neyland in wins doesn't mean jack sh**!!

The only thing I can agree with is Manning having bigger numbers. In the pass happy offense Chaney likes I could see that.
 
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yeah but the premiss of this is ridiculous, you can't really make a fair comparison. If Dooley was the coach then who knows if Peyton Manning ever even starts? Most people seem to forget that is was a bit of a fluke that we found out so fast how awesome he was. Not to mention with Dooley's main philosophy being like Saban's with the "run game" he would've gone crazy with all the amazing backs we had.
 
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you dont run the counter every god d888ed time you have 4th and 1... phil .. bless his heart.. thought you could... dooley gave up on run early and started chucking it against ky... i like it... small sample size tho... no telling really
 
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With Spurrier at UF operating an offense few in the SEC could stop or stall this side of Bill Oliver?

About the same.

Fulmer in the 1990s was a far different coach. More ambitious. More willing to work.
More open to adjusting his system and approach to win games.

Fulmer in his last years grew comfortable in his position. He tried to take the Houston Nutt Arkansas route and sell mediocrity as the standard Tennessee should aspire to. This wasn't the same man who took a green Heath Shuler down to Athens and beat a Georgia team loaded with NFL talent. He wasn't the same guy who changed his approach from 1997 to 1998 after watching his team take a physical beat-down from Nebraska.

Fulmer wanted us to be satisfied with 8-win seasons. Sexton sold Hammy on the concept. Problem was that Fulmer wasn't hungry enough to even reach that goal on a regular basis. He lost his edge and his commitment to Tennessee. Not everyone can be General Neyland or Tom Osborne and maintain focus. What happened to Fulmer also happened to Dye and Vince Dooley: a slow, steady decline.

I'm thankful for his time at Tennessee in general and 1997 and 1998 in particular. I don't think we should remember him for what he became, but rather for what he once was as a head coach.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
With Spurrier at UF operating an offense few in the SEC could stop or stall this side of Bill Oliver?

About the same.

Fulmer in the 1990s was a far different coach. More ambitious. More willing to work.
More open to adjusting his system and approach to win games.

Fulmer in his last years grew comfortable in his position. He tried to take the Houston Nutt Arkansas route and sell mediocrity as the standard Tennessee should aspire to. This wasn't the same man who took a green Heath Shuler down to Athens and beat a Georgia team loaded with NFL talent. He wasn't the same guy who changed his approach from 1997 to 1998 after watching his team take a physical beat-down from Nebraska.

Fulmer wanted us to be satisfied with 8-win seasons. Sexton sold Hammy on the concept. Problem was that Fulmer wasn't hungry enough to even reach that goal on a regular basis. He lost his edge and his commitment to Tennessee. Not everyone can be General Neyland or Tom Osborne and maintain focus. What happened to Fulmer also happened to Dye and Vince Dooley: a slow, steady decline.

I'm thankful for his time at Tennessee in general and 1997 and 1998 in particular. I don't think we should remember him for what he became, but rather for what he once was as a head coach.
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Very nice post.:good!:
 
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StoVol said:
you dont run the counter every god d888ed time you have 4th and 1... phil .. bless his heart.. thought you could... dooley gave up on run early and started chucking it against ky... i like it... small sample size tho... no telling really
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One thing I like is Dooley's not afraid to change; if one thing's not working, then try something else. Phil too ridgid, pound the rock, pound the rock, and that's ok if it's working, but if not you have to change, or lose. The fake punt and run for 16 yards on our own 25 for a first down says he's willing to take a calculated risk--that wins games. I'm sure glad we have Dooley & the rest of the coaches we have. It's gonna be fun next few years. And, big Kudos for our guys giving it their all to make a bowl game.:good!::loco:
 
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Very tough question to answer with the little bit we've seen from CDD. I've always thought that you can take a bad team and make them average, or take a good team and make them great, a lot easier then you can take a great team and make them champions. Getting over that hump can be the hardest thing for a coach to do, even when they have the talent.

I'm hopeful that in a few years we'll be able to find out what CDD can do with great talent.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
With Spurrier at UF operating an offense few in the SEC could stop or stall this side of Bill Oliver?

About the same.

Fulmer in the 1990s was a far different coach. More ambitious. More willing to work.
More open to adjusting his system and approach to win games.

Fulmer in his last years grew comfortable in his position. He tried to take the Houston Nutt Arkansas route and sell mediocrity as the standard Tennessee should aspire to. This wasn't the same man who took a green Heath Shuler down to Athens and beat a Georgia team loaded with NFL talent. He wasn't the same guy who changed his approach from 1997 to 1998 after watching his team take a physical beat-down from Nebraska.

Fulmer wanted us to be satisfied with 8-win seasons. Sexton sold Hammy on the concept. Problem was that Fulmer wasn't hungry enough to even reach that goal on a regular basis. He lost his edge and his commitment to Tennessee. Not everyone can be General Neyland or Tom Osborne and maintain focus. What happened to Fulmer also happened to Dye and Vince Dooley: a slow, steady decline.

I'm thankful for his time at Tennessee in general and 1997 and 1998 in particular. I don't think we should remember him for what he became, but rather for what he once was as a head coach.
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I agree except for the last sentence. You can't truly judge the sum without judging the parts. I too am grateful for the championship. But the truth, in my mind, is that Fulmer's lack of desire for the last half of his career and his unwillingness to bring in top coordinators and position coaches for the fear of eventually being replaced by said hire cost UT at least one NC game appearance. For that, I will never believe "he gave his all for UT" for his entire career. Bash away but that is my stance and will not change.
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volfanatic74 said:
I agree except for the last sentence. You can't truly judge the sum without judging the parts. I too am grateful for the championship. But the truth, in my mind, is that Fulmer's lack of desire for the last half of his career and his unwillingness to bring in top coordinators and position coaches for the fear of eventually being replaced by said hire cost UT at least one NC game appearance. For that, I will never believe "he gave his all for UT" for his entire career. Bash away but that is my stance and will not change.
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What a spoiled fan, Yea PF should have won the NC every year. yea it was time to go, and I believe we have our coach, but PF gave more to UT in one minute of his career, than you will give in your whole Life.:loco::loco::loco:
 
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volfanatic74 said:
I agree except for the last sentence. You can't truly judge the sum without judging the parts. I too am grateful for the championship. But the truth, in my mind, is that Fulmer's lack of desire for the last half of his career and his unwillingness to bring in top coordinators and position coaches for the fear of eventually being replaced by said hire cost UT at least one NC game appearance. For that, I will never believe "he gave his all for UT" for his entire career. Bash away but that is my stance and will not change.
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No bash from this corner. I just think only the best of the best are able to maintain the high standard they achieved early in their career into the last stage of their work.

Fulmer wasn't one of them. But he is in strong company in that regard.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
With Spurrier at UF operating an offense few in the SEC could stop or stall this side of Bill Oliver?

About the same.

Fulmer in the 1990s was a far different coach. More ambitious. More willing to work.
More open to adjusting his system and approach to win games.

Fulmer in his last years grew comfortable in his position. He tried to take the Houston Nutt Arkansas route and sell mediocrity as the standard Tennessee should aspire to. This wasn't the same man who took a green Heath Shuler down to Athens and beat a Georgia team loaded with NFL talent. He wasn't the same guy who changed his approach from 1997 to 1998 after watching his team take a physical beat-down from Nebraska.

Fulmer wanted us to be satisfied with 8-win seasons. Sexton sold Hammy on the concept. Problem was that Fulmer wasn't hungry enough to even reach that goal on a regular basis. He lost his edge and his commitment to Tennessee. Not everyone can be General Neyland or Tom Osborne and maintain focus. What happened to Fulmer also happened to Dye and Vince Dooley: a slow, steady decline.

I'm thankful for his time at Tennessee in general and 1997 and 1998 in particular. I don't think we should remember him for what he became, but rather for what he once was as a head coach.
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Very nice post.
 
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One season and your asking what he could have done with Fulmers teams in the 90s......wow
 
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tenn_opie said:
if he and his coaching staff woulda had the teams that Phill had in the mid to late 90s? I know this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but i'm just curious to know what all of yall think. I think we woulda had at least 1 more NC and 1 maybe 2 more SEC titles. MR. Manning woulda left with better numbers than he did IMO, and woulda won a few a them big games that some people like to say he choked in...what do yall think woulda happened???
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Not sure how you go there after one season. And even if Dooley turns out great, it's doubtful he could have done better than Fulmer did. It was probably one of the top 2 eras in Vol history.
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure how you go there after one season. And even if Dooley turns out great, it's doubtful he could have done better than Fulmer did. It was probably one of the top 2 eras in Vol history.
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Coaching perfomance cost Dooley a signature win. It is way too early to consider him a "big game" coach.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
One season and your asking what he could have done with Fulmers teams in the 90s......wow
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lol..i love how worked up people get on here. I said it was just a simple question for conversation. I'm a CDD fan, i was a CPF fan also. I'm not trying to say that CDD is better or worse than phil, i was simply asking a simple question. Your opinion could have been that he would have had a lot worse of a record and no championships period. That woulda been fine. I'm not saying that anybody is better, we'll find that out in the years to come. Chill the hell out people...I think half the posters on this site need a valium or 2 or 3...or midol, :birgits_giggle:
 
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You just need to remember that we are by definition schizophrenic on here.

On the one hand we are participating in an internet message board, where unfounded rumor and speculation are the fuel that keeps us going to the tune of thousands of posts per day.

However, most of us will jump just as quickly on anyone who puts anything out there that isn't proven fact. We reply with "Link?", "Sources?", and question anyone who states an "opinion".

It is what it is. We are what our record says we are.

Don't you just LOVE IT ! :dance2:
 
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Someone could guess that he would be horrible or that he could have been incredible and stand the same chance of being right. It's impossible to answer this question thus rendering it irrelevant... Especially since we've only seen what Dooley can do with left over Fulmer and Kiffin recruits, other than a few solid freshmen. After 2012 we will have a better understanding of how well Dooley does with his players, his system, and with time to develop his niche into the mindest of Tennessee. Hopefully he'll win national championships, we can only hope. :vava:
 
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