What will it take to get your pride (confidence/swagger) back as a fan?

#51
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I went to UT from '79-'83, and at no point since then have I lost a shred of pride in the university in any way, shape, or form, so this is a ridiculous subject for a thread IMO. A bad stretch of football, and you lose your pride? In that case, you were never a VFL to begin with.

I'd love to see 10-2, but I'll be satisfied with a solid 8-4 season if we are competitive even against the UGa's and Bama's of the world. As long as Heupel continues to recruit and build depth and top line talent, we're going to be on that level sooner than later. I know this is a dirty word here at this point, but just a bit of patience has been earned by CJH.
 
#52
#52
Just commenting on the recent downturn of the program, which I believe to be the point of the OP. If you want to look at the all time record and say everything is going great, be my guest, but that is far from the truth. All UT fans are begging for this program to be relevant again. In order for that to happen, they need to be better against ranked opponents.
Lol, keep begging and praying then.. Hope it works .....🤣
 
#53
#53
You are what your record says you are. Tough times on the Hill from '08 to '20. Warning signs were there a couple of years before that. Some would say you can go all the way back to '01 to see it coming. But in 2008, the downward trend turned into a death spiral for UT Football.

The decline of Fulmer; the one-night (season) stand with Kiffin; Dooley and all his Doolishness; four years to figure out that Butch Jones best days were on the small end of the trumpet; and finally...just to put an exclamation point on how far UT Football had fallen, we got Fulmer as the AD, and Jeremy Pruitt as the HC. Like some, I bought the hype of the opening press conference, and the "Come Together" video. Hindsight being 20/20, I can see it now. It was a desperate attempt by the UT Admin to return to its' heyday with Fulmer as the AD, and an Alabama assistant coach in charge of the football team.

Saban is probably still laughing at that one. As he should be.

And then, out of Central Florida...literally the U of Central Florida...comes a new AD. Behind a new Admin. And this guy, go figure, blows out every pane in the Sunsphere by hiring his old football HC. At UT...THE University of Tennessee. Mind you, before Ohio State grabbed the trademark on "THE". And promised us he had hired a winner.

Gotta say, I didn't see that one coming. Nor was I all that impressed with our new HC. Yeah, he had a winning record at UCF, but he followed a HC (anybody heard of Scott Frost?) who had gone 13-0 before taking his dream job at Nebraska. I remember those among us who wanted Frost...at any cost. Hiring Josh Heupel seemed like settling for the uglier of two sisters for the Prom. So here we go again...

Except we didn't. Josh Heupel and his staff, facing serious NCAA sanctions, and with a roster thinner than an Ethiopian on crack, came within half a dozen plays and a dozen Mississippi flops of winning 9 games in his first season. He scared the crap out of every DC he faced, and beat most of them. If the defense hadn't been thin, undermanned, and gassed in the 2nd half of almost every game, the Vols would have won 9 games.

Flip the page. It's 2022. Now, with a solid year of recruiting, development, and conditioning behind them, the 2022 Vols have the opportunity to do better. The schedule is tough. We face both Alabama and UGA. Pitt, Florida, LSU, and UK promise to be tough tests. We're not there yet. But every other team on our schedule besides UGA and Bama is within our reach. Yes, we will need the breaks to break our way, and no, it's not likely that they all will. But if this team reaches its' potential, then this is a 9-3 team. Two years removed from a 3-7 season. And a 20-27 record in the 4 years before CJH arrived on the Hill. He's 8-6 since he got here, and I for one think he is just getting started.

I think AD Danny White is all-in for UT, and I think he hit a home run in hiring Josh Heupel. Time will tell. But for those of us who have been Vol fans for a long time...who remember the Majors days...the Fulmer days...the '98 Natty...the '01 almost...and the slow decline since then...there is finally light at the end of that long, dark tunnel. We've come a long ways in one year, and we have a long ways yet to go. But UT Football is finally ascending. Thank God.

Better days are coming, but let's enjoy the good ones that are not all that far ahead. UT Football is back.

Go Vols.
 
#54
#54
As others have said, I never lost my pride...... I've been a fan since I started watching football in the late 80's. I was all in before the particularly disastrous 2017 & 2020 seasons, and I'm still all in. Vol Football comes before all my other sports interests.

What will it take for me to believe 'We're Back'?
1. Consecutive 9-3 seasons that includes a win over FL, GA, or AL before the bowl game.
2. New Years 6 bowl game with an 9-3 regular season could make 9-4 acceptable. 8-4 and a 3rd tier bowl was the best Butch could do, and it wasn't enough.
3. Consecutive top 10 recruiting classes.

I'm very optimistic about Heupel, but I'm not buying in and getting excited about a coach again before he can go at least 9-3. 9-3 hardly puts us in playoff contention. A coach doesn't have to make the playoffs to make me believe, but they have to make me believe they can get us to the playoffs to get me excited.

Do I think Heupel has performed well given his inherited circumstance? Yes. Do I think he can get us where we need to be? Yes. Has he proven he can or will? No.

Have we had similar recruiting classes as the last two years over the past 15 years? Yes(2 classes markedly). Have we had prized recruits we thought would be generational difference makers in those classes? Yes. Could the previous coaches capitalize on it? No.

Essentially Heupel (or the coach that brings us back) is gonna have to go 9-3, which more than likely means beating teams with superior talent, or pull in consecutive top 10 recruiting classes with 7/8 win seasons to bring us back. That's a tall order, but that's what the HC at Tennessee signs up for.

Go Heupel go! I was cynical about his offense working well in the SEC. I've seen enough now, it works. Hopefully he punches above his weight this year (9-3) or at least brings us to 8-4. 8-4 could keep us tracking upward depending on the win/loss optics. By next year, 9-3 with a considerably improved defense is probably needed.
 
#55
#55
I have never seen the fan base more positive and certainly behind this team and coach. This Pitt game is a key indicator for the rest of the season, perfect game for UT. They are top 50 20 team and the game is on the road. Basically, if they can't beat this Pitt team they can't expect to beat any SEC teams, thats just the hand they have been dealt. I think we road race them scoring 45 to 50 points, surely the defense can hold them for less. UT by 14.

FIFY
 
#56
#56

So I agree that UF will be a big difference maker in our comeback if we win. Not on the merits of the (so far single game) showing against an arguably over rated Pac 12 team at their house that coaching wise did their best imitation of Butch Jones in all his "find a way to lose" glory.

On the topic of beating alabama, I hate that ****ing program as much as I have ever hated anything in my life, and I will never say UT can't beat them...but come on,that's a reach this year. It could happen, it's highly unlikely.

As a previous poster stated, 9-3 is not unreasonable although my expectations are 8-4. We will find out a lot about the rest of this season starting Saturday. Ball State was just an appetizer.

Having said that, it was nice not to go into the 4th quarter vs said appetizer biting our nails up by a FG with a sluggish unmotivated team that looked like it would rather be doing anything other than playing football. How many times did that happen in the last 12 years, and even the later Fulmer years? Way too much!

It's still early in the Heupel era, but I will stick my neck out ever so slightly and say at least he will win the ones we are supposed to win, and typically in convincing fashion. I will gladly take that improvement and hope for more in the future.
 
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I'm concerned if we DON'T beat Pitt and Florida (which is a real possibility), the sky will be falling in VN again
 
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IMO I never lost my Pride. Now if thread read.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET YOUR SWAGGER BACK. Then it would be beat everybody beatable and play into the 4th quarter while still in game with UGA & Ala. That would give a Swag into the Bowl & next year. Will never lose my pride.
 
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So much negativity.

I think for most....
We have to beat Pitt.
We have to beat Florida.

At that point fans will feel a lot better/like we are turning the corner.

Then to get fully back we need to beat Alabama. I think we can slip up in another game (just have an off game - it happens, it's college football)...LSU, South Carolina....

I think beating Georgia @ Georgia is too much to ask this year. But if we can win a game like @ Pitt, beat Florida, and somehow beat Alabama at home...even with a loss at LSU or a slip up somewhere else and finish 10-2 (which probably means a top 7 national ranking)....I think most fans will feel like Tennessee football is back and feel pretty good going forward. That's my take...

But for you doom and gloomers what will it take (in your own words) to make you feel good about the program?
Getting rid of foolmer was a great start to restoring pride and integrity to our program.
 
#62
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IMO I never lost my Pride. Now if thread read.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET YOUR SWAGGER BACK. Then it would be beat everybody beatable and play into the 4th quarter while still in game with UGA & Ala. That would give a Swag into the Bowl & next year. Will never lose my pride.

I fixed it. By pride I didn't really mean fandom or long term love and affection for Vol football. I mean confidence during any given season...and you said it, yes...swagger....aka not going into a game like @ Pitt (Alabama or Georgia is one thing, but Pitt?) thinking we are going to lose. And this question is really just for maybe 10-20% of the fanbase...the Eeyore crowd...
 
#63
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I wouldn't say I am negative, just more of a realist.

Tennessee football is 8-42 against ranked opponents over the last ten years. Getting this line over .400 would make me feel better about the program. I like Heupel, I like the offense, but I also see a lot of deficiencies that will prevent them from reaching the top. BTW, he went 1-4 against ranked opponents last season.


This post is very well said and exactly describes me as a Vol fan. Nobody should fault a realistic viewpoint like this. In recent history, the Vols just don't win games like the Pitt and Florida games that are upcoming. They can, but I won't expect it until they start doing it.
 
#65
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When we beat 2 of our big 3 in the same season mine will begin to return. No, Pitt is nowhere close to being in our big 3 or close to as good as any of them either.
 
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I stopped being a NegaVol again and got my swagger back the day Tennessee fired the last douche bag.

Losses still hurt, but I still love Tennessee. Tennessee looks WAY better, they’re improving, and they gots a much better coach who is getting way more out of his players.

Maybe I’ll lose my swag again……..but it ain’t happening right now.
 
#67
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They defeated Pittsburgh in a thrilling game because the Volunteers won a ugly game that past Volunteers teams would find a way to lose.

I never lost pride being a Volunteers Football fan during the long time they’ve been rebuilding after the Fulmer era.

The Volunteers showed progress because they did defeat the Panthers in Pittsburgh.

They need to win the Florida game to show more visible evidence this Volunteers team has improved after the 2021 rebuilding year.
8-4 would be a pretty good season if they defeat more than 1 ranked team.
 
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#68
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I went to UT from '79-'83, and at no point since then have I lost a shred of pride in the university in any way, shape, or form, so this is a ridiculous subject for a thread IMO. A bad stretch of football, and you lose your pride? In that case, you were never a VFL to begin with.

I'd love to see 10-2, but I'll be satisfied with a solid 8-4 season if we are competitive even against the UGa's and Bama's of the world. As long as Heupel continues to recruit and build depth and top line talent, we're going to be on that level sooner than later. I know this is a dirty word here at this point, but just a bit of patience has been earned by CJH.
Love this post. If I could like it 1000 times I would. Heupel is the man for the job. He has been successful in being a walk-on, a national title winner, a student, a teacher and he is genuine. We are on a good track. Keep up the fight. And with this post I may have drank too much tonight
 
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They defeated Pittsburgh in a thrilling game because the Volunteers won a ugly game that past Volunteers would find a way to lose.

I never lost pride being a Volunteers Football fan during the long time they’ve been rebuilding after the Fulmer era.

The Volunteers showed progress because they did defeat the Panthers in Pittsburgh.

They need to win the Florida game to show more visible evidence this Volunteers team continues has improved after the 2021 rebuilding year.
8-4 would be a pretty good season if they defeat more than 1 ranked team.
Agree
 
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I went to UT from '79-'83, and at no point since then have I lost a shred of pride in the university in any way, shape, or form, so this is a ridiculous subject for a thread IMO. A bad stretch of football, and you lose your pride? In that case, you were never a VFL to begin with.

I'd love to see 10-2, but I'll be satisfied with a solid 8-4 season if we are competitive even against the UGa's and Bama's of the world. As long as Heupel continues to recruit and build depth and top line talent, we're going to be on that level sooner than later. I know this is a dirty word here at this point, but just a bit of patience has been earned by CJH.
There have been many times when I felt let down by the vols, but never once have I lost my Tennessee pride. I have talked trash with fans of every team and I will always have something to say to fans of Bama, Georgia, Florida, etc, because I know that I love our program a thousand times more than they ever could. I guarantee it. I don't cheer for them because we were once really good, I cheer for them because I was lucky enough to be born into a family who has supported the vols for generations, and it is my duty to be there since my ancestors can't. Good or bad. And I am damn proud to do it
 
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There have been many times when I felt let down by the vols, but never once have I lost my Tennessee pride. I have talked trash with fans of every team and I will always have something to say to fans of Bama, Georgia, Florida, etc, because I know that I love our program a thousand times more than they ever could. I guarantee it. I don't cheer for them because we were once really good, I cheer for them because I was lucky enough to be born into a family who has supported the vols for generations, and it is my duty to be there since my ancestors can't. Good or bad. And I am damn proud to do it
This ^^ exactly what I was talking about in an earlier post. Much better job of saying it
 
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Top 50 says I. No mistake, that is where they will end up. They had 1 good season and they fired the OC and changed the entire offense. The coach is a maniac.
They were no. 17 when we played them. May well end up right at 50th, but for now, just give us the credit we deserve!
 

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