What we've learned about the East

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rjd said: "Based on one week worth of football, which means nothing....

I don't see UT beating UF this year unless we can put up 40+ points, which isn't going to happen against that defense. Next year in Knoxville will be very interesting though.

Whoever said UF has a shot at beating Bama or FSU is out of their mind. USCe is more likely."

Then I am out of my mind because I am not yet convinced about FSU. Maybe I will be if they look good against OU. My point is that any team with a QB who makes bad decisions can lose. Can you say with confidence that Manuel makes good decisions?
 
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Ancient Reptile said:
rjd said: "Based on one week worth of football, which means nothing....

I don't see UT beating UF this year unless we can put up 40+ points, which isn't going to happen against that defense. Next year in Knoxville will be very interesting though.

Whoever said UF has a shot at beating Bama or FSU is out of their mind. USCe is more likely."

Then I am out of my mind because I am not yet convinced about FSU. Maybe I will be if they look good against OU. My point is that any team with a QB who makes bad decisions can lose. Can you say with confidence that Manuel makes good decisions?
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Which is why UT will win.... John Brantley is making your decisions at QB. Good luck with that.
 
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tvols75 is right on the INTs. They should concern us gator fans. We still have problems that won't be sorted out until we play UT and other SEC teams. Still, the bottom line is that gator fans felt good about what they saw from the team and from Brantley. Good luck until we play.

By the way, the UGA site seems to be in melt down. Wants the DC canned immediately, etc. I think the winner of the UT/UF game is in the hunt for the SEC East.
 
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tvols75 may be wrong, however, on Brantley's decision making. Muschamp was very specific in saying that Brantley repeatedly got us into the right play. In my mind this is a different question than his INTs.
 
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Ancient Reptile said:
tvols75 is right on the INTs. They should concern us gator fans. We still have problems that won't be sorted out until we play UT and other SEC teams. Still, the bottom line is that gator fans felt good about what they saw from the team and from Brantley. Good luck until we play.

By the way, the UGA site seems to be in melt down. Wants the DC canned immediately, etc. I think the winner of the UT/UF game is in the hunt for the SEC East.
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Good post. I think it's going to be a really close game vs. the Gators, and I agree that the UT/UF winner will put that team in the driver seat for the East (will be decided in their game vs USCe as well).
 
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Ancient Reptile said:
tvols75 may be wrong, however, on Brantley's decision making. Muschamp was very specific in saying that Brantley repeatedly got us into the right play. In my mind this is a different question than his INTs.
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Decision making in my mind is where to go to in 3-5 seconds every play after the ball is snapped. FAU didn't do much where they showed a zero blitz and then dropped out of it, or came with a delayed corner blitz. That is what I want to see. UAB's QB should show us this week about your secondary as well.
 
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#132
On his 1st interception, the pass was tipped and intercepted. On the 2nd int, he put the ball right in Deonte Thompson's hands, threaded the needle. And then the DB took it out of his hands. I dont know how you honestly blame Brantley for that INT, unless you're saying he threw it into coverage (which he did) but, a good receiver makes that catch
 
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Dellenn said:
On his 1st interception, the pass was tipped and intercepted. On the 2nd int, he put the ball right in Deonte Thompson's hands, threaded the needle. And then the DB took it out of his hands. I dont know how you honestly blame Brantley for that INT, unless you're saying he threw it into coverage (which he did) but, a good receiver makes that catch
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I wouldn't bother. The 1 TD 2 INT statline means Brantley automatically sucked, according to some people on here.
 
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Dellenn said:
On his 1st interception, the pass was tipped and intercepted. On the 2nd int, he put the ball right in Deonte Thompson's hands, threaded the needle. And then the DB took it out of his hands. I dont know how you honestly blame Brantley for that INT, unless you're saying he threw it into coverage (which he did) but, a good receiver makes that catch
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And that's problem #2.
 
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I can't totally absolve a QB for tipped passes. And he did throw right into a very well-covered receiver on the second INT. That costs us either 3 or 7 points and that could lose a game in the SEC.

As I said, tvol75, there are things still to be sorted out. However, gator fans thought we saaw Brantley making reads and going to the second or third receiver. I am definitely hopeful that his "basic" decision making will be good.
 
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tvols75 said:
And that's problem #2.
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I can't debate that. That WR on that play was Deonte Thompson, and hes been a bust. No other way to put it in his time at UF. He's dropped numerous passes and TD's over the years. Although he made a difficult catch later in the game, I don't have high hopes for him this year, unless he goes nuts in the next 3 or 4 games.

I hope DT goes out in style, because he's a senior. But hes not the best hope for the WR core. These guys will have to carry the load in the passing game:

TE Jordan Reed
WR Frankie Hammond Jr
WR Andre Debose
WR Quinton Dunbar - supposedly had a very good camp, according to many reports out of Gainesville
WR/TE - Omarius Hines - currently injured right now, don't know the specifics
RB/WR - Chris Rainey - Rainey plays RB primarily but Weis supposedly will use him in the WR position quite a bit this season.
 
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Ancient Reptile said:
I can't totally absolve a QB for tipped passes. And he did throw right into a very well-covered receiver on the second INT. That costs us either 3 or 7 points and that could lose a game in the SEC.

As I said, tvol75, there are things still to be sorted out. However, gator fans thought we saaw Brantley making reads and going to the second or third receiver. I am definitely hopeful that his "basic" decision making will be good.
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Another good post. You see it through realistic glasses and note the good and bad without making excuses. Just because I feel like UT will win, doesn't mean I expect UT to come into the swamp and just dominate. I personally see a low 20s game with it coming down to the last second. I love yall's front 7 (I think we find out more about your secondary this week), and I want to see your WRs and O-Line (who some think are big weaknesses) face an SEC team. Both teams have a lot of good (Florida: Front 7 and Demps and Rainey TN: QB and WRs) and both teams have a lot of questions to be answered.
 
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#138
Question for UT fans: How did the defense look against Montana? I don't remember much about the UT defense from last season.
 
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InfinityGTR said:
Question for UT fans: How did the defense look against Montana? I don't remember much about the UT defense from last season.
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Definitely faster and has the ability to put more pressure on the QB. Still some depth problems along with youth that could be exploited. Better than last year by far.
 
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InfinityGTR said:
Even with the 1 TD 2 INT performance, Brantley looked 100 times better than he did at any point during last season.

Tennessee's is spot on because if they can't figure out how to run the ball, its going to be difficult for Bray to put up big passing numbers every game to win.

UGA's performance last night doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. They were so bipolar last season, that I wouldn't be surprised if they turn around and give USCe an arsewhooping next week, and then lose the following week :dance2:

Kentucky is Kentucky.

Vandy actually looked pretty decent offensively last night.

USCe's QB situation could be that team's downfall if Spurrier decides to screw with his QB's minds all season long. Plus, that defense is a little suspect, but again first week of the season doesn't mean that much.
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Not really worried about the running game because opponents will have to start focusing on the passing game which will open up the run. The defense will have to pick its poison and its up to our Offensive Coordinator to deliver the poison...
 
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tvols75 said:
Definitely faster and has the ability to put more pressure on the QB. Still some depth problems along with youth that could be exploited. Better than last year by far.
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Our D couldn't be any worse than it was last year. Just sayin :hi:
 
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The Brantley INT was 100% on Matt Patchan, the RT on the play. It was a quick pass. The read was correct, Brantley made the throw, Patchan MISSED the cut block, the DL guy was standing right there and batted the ball with both hands.

It sucks. It's still an INT. But it in no way reflected on Brantley's ability to read and diagnose a play.

I know there are many on here that don't believe it, but as long as Florida is at home, where Brantley can calmly get plays from the sideline, and make any adjustments he wants at the LOS with no crowd noise, the Florida offense is going to be unspectacular, but efficient.

When Florida goes on the road, completely different story. I firmly expect losses @ LSU, @ USCe, and maybe even vs. UGA because of crowd noise. @ Auburn is a toss up just because they are so bad. If Florida can hold serve at home, I think they're looking at 8-4 or 9-3, but if they can't 7-5 is the way it'll go just because there are som any tough teams on the schedule.

All we've said at any point on the two florida threads on the front page right now is that the team FUNDAMENTALLY, looks 10x better than last year. Whether that = a win against UT or a win of the SEC east is completely unknown at this point, as the team is still learning two completely new systems on both sides of the ball. But it says a lot about how bad UF was last year that in the first year of two new systems, the whole team looks more focused and more in tune with each other than in 2010.
 
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I'm sorry. What has UF's defense proven so far? That they can shutout a VASTLY outmanned opponent? Thought so. I'll wait to believe in this championship caliber defense that lost the best DB in the SEC until they play a real team.
 
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InfinityGTR said:
Question for UT fans: How did the defense look against Montana? I don't remember much about the UT defense from last season.
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Run defense looked solid but secondary looked shaky at times. Definitely seeing some flashes of being able to put up some sort of pass rush.

Was Thompson highly rated coming into UF? I don't usually keep tabs on other teams recruiting unless they're going head to head with UT.
 
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tennesseefan31 said:
I'm sorry. What has UF's defense proven so far? That they can shutout a VASTLY outmanned opponent? Thought so. I'll wait to believe in this championship caliber defense that lost the best DB in the SEC until they play a real team.
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UF finished 2010 with a top 10 defense. FAU didn't have a first down until 3 minutes left in the 1st half, and their first 4 drives were 3-and-out. I don't care who you are playing; that's impressive.

tallshortvol said:
Run defense looked solid but secondary looked shaky at times. Definitely seeing some flashes of being able to put up some sort of pass rush.

Was Thompson highly rated coming into UF? I don't usually keep tabs on other teams recruiting unless they're going head to head with UT.
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Thompson was very highly recruited from what I remember. He's been constantly hyped up for the past 3 seasons now, and in both 2009 and 2010, he vastly underperformed. Hopefully he can turn it around this season, as our WR core is still one of our question marks.
 
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#147
JB has worked to do but he looked x10 better than game 1 last year. Only thing JB has to do is manage the game and not force anything(second int)....Charlie understand JB limits and he won't put him in a position to fail.
 
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tvols75 said:
South Carolina- Defense isn't that good


Florida- Brantley threw 1 TD and 2 INT against an awful FAU team that would probably give up 40 pts. vs. Montana.


Georgia is who we thought they were

Kentucky is bad

Vandy had a pretty good game vs. a pathetic opponent

Tennessee had a good passing game and needs much improvement in the running game.


Conclusion: East is wide open between UT, FL, UGA, and USC.
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I am making a stupid assumption that you even watched our game and that is what you are basing your point on. The 2 picks Brantley threw, one was tipped at the line of scrimmage, and the other was ripped from the WR hands in the endzone. The decision was questionable, but to act like he was just throwing picks is misleading.
 
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#150
Seeing as how no one has played an SEC opponent I don't think we have learned anything about the East. Save your assumptions for when the SEC schedule starts.
 
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