What we painfully learned again from Last Night's Games....

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volinbama256

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Just how important a mobile/running QB is to the success of a program right now in this era of CFB. Out of four teams that played last night, OK was the only one that really didn't have an effective running threat and look how things turned out. Stanford, Baylor, and OR all had that threat and used it to their advantage. I know we have two young-guns that are supposedly mobile and last night just proved how important it will be in the development of both their passing AND running skills. Unfortunately I think we are going to be the victims and example once again of such an attack this weekend. Glad to have Butch at the wheel seeing this and I am confident he "gets'' how the game is evolving. GBO
 
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What I saw was a bad OK def n a very good Standford def plus a Standford power running game that dominated a smaller org def built to stop running qb on the corners.

Also I saw a flaw in relying on a running qb that on 3rd n short they r not a good option against Good def in that they can't get the tough yards..

My issue is why can't u run both but most college oc only run one or the other n not mix them up.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
McCarron for Bama stays in the pocket and wins National Championships
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True. Bama has talent everywhere though.

A mobile QB can make lesser talent at skill position more effective and also make great talent absolutely deadly.
 
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I learned that we need a better defense. Stanford was down right nasty on D most of the game.

Edit: I spent my 3,000th post on this OP. I hope you appreciate it. :)
 
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Is standford's O-line better than ours or do they play with an attitude and greater effort(?). They dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball. :question:
 
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orangeluvr said:
Is standford's O-line better than ours or do they play with an attitude and greater effort(?). They dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball. :question:
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Stanford lined up in what looked like goal line sets nearly every play. Not sure if they're O-Line would be better than ours, but they had more guys lined up for sure.

They were very good at blitzing, timing the snap, and pressuring the QB.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Stanford lined up in what looked like goal line sets nearly every play. Not sure if they're O-Line would be better than ours, but they had more guys lined up for sure.

They were very good at blitzing, timing the snap, and pressuring the QB.
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Blitzing is something our D rarely does. I'd like to see alot more of it.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Stanford lined up in what looked like goal line sets nearly every play. Not sure if they're O-Line would be better than ours, but they had more guys lined up for sure.

They were very good at blitzing, timing the snap, and pressuring the QB.
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Stanford's offense exhibited smash-mouth football like teams used to play, and Oregon could not effectively stop them.
 
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92volalum said:
What I saw was a bad OK def n a very good Standford def plus a Standford power running game that dominated a smaller org def built to stop running qb on the corners.

Also I saw a flaw in relying on a running qb that on 3rd n short they r not a good option against Good def in that they can't get the tough yards..

My issue is why can't u run both but most college oc only run one or the other n not mix them up.
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We also found out the Oregon QB was injured..mcl before the game.
 
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I actually thought this thread was gonna be about how much better the Vols would be had Bryce Petty and Ahmad Dixon remained Vols.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Just how important a mobile/running QB is to the success of a program right now in this era of CFB. Out of four teams that played last night, OK was the only one that really didn't have an effective running threat and look how things turned out. Stanford, Baylor, and OR all had that threat and used it to their advantage. I know we have two young-guns that are supposedly mobile and last night just proved how important it will be in the development of both their passing AND running skills. Unfortunately I think we are going to be the victims and example once again of such an attack this weekend. Glad to have Butch at the wheel seeing this and I am confident he "gets'' how the game is evolving. GBO
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Check the stats....Bell is a mobile QB. It just didnt happen last night.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Is standford's O-line better than ours or do they play with an attitude and greater effort(?). They dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball. :question:
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Both.

They are light years better than our O-line and are downright nasty..
 
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Wylo said:
Both.

They are light years better than our O-line and are downright nasty..
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I don't think that's true at all. Tougher? Sure.

Talent wise? It's not even close that ours is better. The NFL will be proof of that.
 
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Mobile quarterbacks definitely add an extra dimension. But, I have also noticed that you better have more than one. How many mobile quarterbacks do you see make it through an entire season ?
 
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Majorvol23 said:
McCarron for Bama stays in the pocket and wins National Championships
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He is also on the them that has the most elite players in the nation protecting him, catching for him, and running the ball. He also has an elite level coach calling plays. If he played for just about any other team in college football, we probably would have never heard of him. So......yeah.. about that.....
 
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OK, since some are missing the point and splitting hairs, let me re-phrase it--- last night you saw three teams with Mobile QBs that added an extra dimension to their offense and they are all in the top 10. We have been gashed all year against mobile qbs (yes I know we stopped USCe, but overall) and will probably get gashed again for several big gains tomorrow with another mobile QB. The point is that there are too many successful teams out there right now and with the exception of AL, most have mobile QBs. The game is evolving and I am glad we are evolving with it under Butch.
 
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Either approach can be effective; but I believe the running QB is simply the popular route now because it is the quickest fix for an offense. You can't blitz Bama because the pocket will hold up and McCarron will gut you. You can't blitz a running QB for obvious reasons. But, I also believe that teams are being exposed for relying heavily on their running QB's instead of mentally and physically dominating opponents, a la ALA.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
He is also on the them that has the most elite players in the nation protecting him, catching for him, and running the ball. He also has an elite level coach calling plays. If he played for just about any other team in college football, we probably would have never heard of him. So......yeah.. about that.....
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I'm "painfully" aware of that
 
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Majorvol23 said:
McCarron for Bama stays in the pocket and wins National Championships
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With his teammates, he really does not have to do much other than not screw-up. I have always wondered why TN does not go after dual threat QBs. Seems it presents more problems for any opposing defense.:loco:
 
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I think Dobbs will develop into a successful dual threat guy - He showed decent wheels against Mizzou and he has pretty good accuracy already. He just needs the other pieces to come together with him (defense, WR's, running game, etc.)

Football is a team sport above anything. Last year, we had the most successful offense in school history with a pocket QB, but the defense was awful. Against Mizzou, the secondary & D couldn't keep up for 4 quarters.

I think both routes can be successful, as long as the players in the other positions fit their system and execute.
 
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