What was Ryan thinking?

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YorkVol said:
66% of the budget is entitlement spending.

I disagree that the majority on public support are simply doing their best to survive. I just know too many working poor (who are really doing their best to survive) and their neighbors riding on assistance. Drive down any streets in my small city during the day and you will see plenty of evidence there are a lot who are simply bidding their time until their next check. Now they will tell you they are looking for work and nothing is available, but then when you offer them an actual job the truth comes out. I have two good friends who run jobs programs in town. Both have plenty of opportunities that pay above what you get on welfare. They provide free training, help the person get the right clothing for interviews, the whole deal. One of the programs actually pays the salary for the first 90 days to reduce risk to the employer.

The hardest demographic for them to first place in a job and then have them stay beyond 3 months are young, 18-30 year old men. They are only about 30-40% successful in this group staying employed beyond a year. The next group is single moms with more than 3 kids. Older men and women, younger moms with 1 or 2 kids, tend to make it beyond the first year.

Now you tell me what this means. These young men, in my view, are key to those families escaping poverty. Instead, they continually fall back into it and continue to rely on their girlfriends to support them.

I can't tell you what the percentages break down to. I can only tell you that more often than not, when I meet the parents of my kids classmates, the married men seem to have jobs, the boyfriends always seem to be unemployed. And my count would be around 25% of the ones I've met are married. It is all anecdotal evidence, but that is the trend I see.

As to the voting issue, well you need to educate yourself on that. Spend an election day in downtown Philadelphia if you aren't sure.
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Good post. I'll add that what both Ryan and Obama are saying is that this attitude has become engrained in the culture (not the black culture LG) of poverty. It is mainstream and making it out requires being counter-culture. There is no doubt that decades of the government saying "it's not your fault; we'll take care of you" has contributed to that culture. Good intentions don't always lead to good outcomes.
 
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volinbham said:
Good post. I'll add that what both Ryan and Obama are saying is that this attitude has become engrained in the culture (not the black culture LG) of poverty. It is mainstream and making it out requires being counter-culture. There is no doubt that decades of the government saying "it's not your fault; we'll take care of you" has contributed to that culture. Good intentions don't always lead to good outcomes.
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Truly. My drum beat has always been it is socio-economic culture, not race or ethnicity.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't see anything particularly untrue about what he said. Also, I never saw him say 'blacks' in inner cities.

If anything, those who found it offensive put the racist overtone to it by implying that only black people live in inner cities.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner.

Looking at you LG.
 
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#VFL__ said:
How are entitlements breaking our country's bank? I simply do not understand this. While I wish we could kick a ton of these low life's off of entitlements forever, the majority are simply doing their best to survive the life that's presented to them.

I don't think entitlements produces many votes because most of the money suckers are too lazy to vote. A party that atleast acknowledges poverty and doesn't blame inner city laziness will of course get the votes of people who come from that background however.
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Are you 12 years old?
 
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volinbham said:
From the article



One is a vile, dirty racist and one is the heralded leader of the OPs party.
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Reminds me of Dinks latest thread regarding the N word.

I'm sure we will be reminded of context at some point. The race angle has already been played.
 
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volinbham said:
Good post. I'll add that what both Ryan and Obama are saying is that this attitude has become engrained in the culture (not the black culture LG) of poverty. It is mainstream and making it out requires being counter-culture. There is no doubt that decades of the government saying "it's not your fault; we'll take care of you" has contributed to that culture. Good intentions don't always lead to good outcomes.
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Yep. And their kids are being raised (in more cases than some want to admit) that this is an acceptable way to go thru life.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Yep. And their kids are being raised (in more cases than some want to admit) that this is an acceptable way to go thru life.
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Very true. It is sad and the 1st time in America that we have many parents raising their children to not have a better life than they have. It is pitifully the damage they are doing to their children and our nation.
 
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Gramps said:
Very true. It is sad and the 1st time in America that we have many parents raising their children to not have a better life than they have. It is pitifully the damage they are doing to their children and our nation.
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What's even sadder gramps is it's all by design.
 
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Gramps said:
Very true. It is sad and the 1st time in America that we have many parents raising their children to not have a better life than they have. It is pitifully the damage they are doing to their children and our nation.
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Life is hard enough without poor direction from get go. It's a terrible trend that many do not break anymore.
 
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Gramps said:
Very true. It is sad and the 1st time in America that we have many parents raising their children to not have a better life than they have. It is pitifully the damage they are doing to their children and our nation.
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The 40 and older crowd did a terrible job of handing this nation down to future generations. The masses bought in fully to borrowing against the future.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Come on now Beecher.... You're ruining your opportunity to hold public office by being such a racist.....
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My late granny told me numerous times growing up she would disown me if I ever became a politician. She always said if they wernt crooked when they started they were plenty by the time they got out.
 
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BeecherVol said:
My late granny told me numerous times growing up she would disown me if I ever became a politician. She always said if they wernt crooked when they started they were plenty by the time they got out.
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Basically the same thing my dad told me.
 
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BeecherVol said:
My late granny told me numerous times growing up she would disown me if I ever became a politician. She always said if they wernt crooked when they started they were plenty by the time they got out.
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Your granny sounds like she was a smart gal
 
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allvol123 said:
The 40 and older crowd did a terrible job of handing this nation down to future generations. The masses bought in fully to borrowing against the future.
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40 and over? Try 60 and over, yes that includes my parents but as a whole they have done more damage to this country than any prior generation.
 
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