What W/L record need next season should force Fulmer to retire?

What W/L record next season should force Fulmer to retire?

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#77
#77
coachwarren said:
Fulmer should only step down until he is ready to do so himself.
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I agree and Coach graduated with my brother-in-law so he isn't 60 yet. And the reason he will be allowed to retire might have something to do with his winning percentage compared to those that want to fire him. Oh, that's right, they don't coach.
 
#78
#78
Liper said:
Yeah, I get all of that. But what I'm saying is that Fulmer would/should have a particular ability to see that something is amiss in that area. It doesn't mean he's sticking his head in meetings. But he watched all the tape, and he should be able to see it's not right. What I'm speaking to has nothing whatever to do with delegation v micromanagement.

Moreover, he hires his coordinators.

But see, CPF's modus operandi is to more or less blame the players for everything and pretend that there are no coaching problems.

I remember during and after the 2000 season where we went 8-4 and he talked about not having the players to win...and then sent the most players into the NFL that year followed up by one of his 2 or 3 most talented teams. He just seems delusional.
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Sometimes he blames it on the "Perfect Storm"!:blink:
 
#79
#79
Ohio Vol said:
Liper,

I'm not privy to the relationship between Sanders and Fulmer or Cutcliffe and Fulmer, so I'm not going to go into that....Chewing out players in the media does absolutely nothing except hurt morale and create a rift between players and coaches.

The problem is that the media (particularly the TV media) gets an awful lot wrong.
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Actually, what I was saying is that the MO of Fulmer IS to blame the players. He doesn't even deflect blame off of them when it's just the way it goes and it's no one's fault.

That's often the most irritating thing about him. For seven years he talked about the "winning" they had done and how their way works. Then, they go 5-6 and he gets rid of 3 coaches. Well, which is it?

Someone in there he's not seeing the issues.

I've developed a troubling principal about the guy: (1) When we win, he doesn't know why; and (2) When we lose, he doesn't know why. That's why he doesn't adjust and why he keeps saying the same things over and over and expecting different results..

Now, he's not an idiot, or else he wouldn't have done as well as he has. But his pure leadership and football coaching seems average at best.
 
#80
#80
After tonight I'm going Bama-Auburn stupid on this question and saying Fulmer can go 1-11 next year and I wont care so long as that one win is against UF.
 
#81
#81
VolunteerHillbilly said:
After tonight I'm going Bama-Auburn stupid on this question and saying Fulmer can go 1-11 next year and I wont care so long as that one win is against UF.
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The coaching staff at Florida is ten times what we have. They also have equal caliber athletes. Urban Meyer will be known as our new Spurrier someday.
 
#82
#82
kptvol said:
The coaching staff at Florida is ten times what we have. They also have equal caliber athletes. Urban Meyer will be known as our new Spurrier someday.
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yep. this is really depressing to me.

Honestly, Fulmer doesnt have a prayer of beating both Meyer and Richt in the same season, and if by some act of God it happens he would never beat both Saban, Spurrier, Miles, and Nutt all in one year.
 
#83
#83
Ohio Vol said:
Run him out because of what happened last year (if 1998 can't be used in support of him, then I move that 2005 can't be used against him)? Run him out because he's not some young hotshot?
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You have to look at the complete body of work. Losing record against Florida, Losing record against Richt, Meyer, Spurrier, Saban, losing record against ranked teams at home since 1998, losing bowl record since 1998, no SEC title since 1998.
 
#84
#84
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
You have to look at the complete body of work. Losing record against Florida, Losing record against Richt, Meyer, Spurrier, Saban, losing record against ranked teams at home since 1998, losing bowl record since 1998, no SEC title since 1998.
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If you have to look at the complete body of work, why even mention all the crap "since 1998"?
 
#85
#85
Ohio Vol said:
Liper,

I disagree. When someone becomes a head coach, he basically ceases to oversee the position group that he came from. The reason is that it becomes impossible to devote the amount of time and attention to detail to a position group that is warranted while also overseeing the entire team and program.
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Who is the QB coach at South Carolina?
 
#87
#87
It's kind of interesting that these kinds of threads go on while Fulmer is out pulling in one of the best recruiting classes in the country.

What have these threads proven or accomplished other than maybe having a few recruits discover them and decide against considering UT?... making your complaints into prophecies.

I have high expectations for next year. This year without the Ainge injury, I believe UT is in the BCS. Next year, they'll have less question marks than they had coming into this year in spite of losing 3 very good WR's.

I like Fulmer. I think this sometimes ridiculous negativism is harmful. But next year should be his year.

Someone mentioned that the road schedule was worse next year. I don't know how they figure that. Cal won't be nearly as good even at home. UF has more significant losses than UT and their Jr's haven't even had a chance to announce. It would be a surprise of Siler doesn't go and maybe one of the DL's. Bama will be mediocre next year even with Saban. Ark, UGA, and SC all go to UT... and UT doesn't play Aub or LSU.

UT always plays a tough schedule so that's about as favorable as it gets.
 
#88
#88
sjt18 said:
What have these threads proven or accomplished other than maybe having a few recruits discover them and decide against considering UT?... making your complaints into prophecies.

I have high expectations for next year. This year without the Ainge injury, I believe UT is in the BCS. Next year, they'll have less question marks than they had coming into this year in spite of losing 3 very good WR's.

I like Fulmer. I think this sometimes ridiculous negativism is harmful. But next year should be his year.

Someone mentioned that the road schedule was worse next year. I don't know how they figure that. Cal won't be nearly as good even at home. UF has more significant losses than UT and their Jr's haven't even had a chance to announce. It would be a surprise of Siler doesn't go and maybe one of the DL's. Bama will be mediocre next year even with Saban. Ark, UGA, and SC all go to UT... and UT doesn't play Aub or LSU.

UT always plays a tough schedule so that's about as favorable as it gets.
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Oh no. A recruit might realize that not every single fan is thrilled after a 9-4 season. We'll lose all our recruits. Give me a break. That is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous is to not realize that every message board for ever team is as bad or worse as this one.

Don't blame Ainge's injury for keeping us out of the BCS. We lost to Penn State with Ainge. LSU and Arkansas were far superior to the Nittany Lions.
 
#89
#89
sjt18 said:
It's kind of interesting that these kinds of threads go on while Fulmer is out pulling in one of the best recruiting classes in the country.

What have these threads proven or accomplished other than maybe having a few recruits discover them and decide against considering UT?... making your complaints into prophecies.

I have high expectations for next year. This year without the Ainge injury, I believe UT is in the BCS. Next year, they'll have less question marks than they had coming into this year in spite of losing 3 very good WR's.

I like Fulmer. I think this sometimes ridiculous negativism is harmful. But next year should be his year.

Someone mentioned that the road schedule was worse next year. I don't know how they figure that. Cal won't be nearly as good even at home. UF has more significant losses than UT and their Jr's haven't even had a chance to announce. It would be a surprise of Siler doesn't go and maybe one of the DL's. Bama will be mediocre next year even with Saban. Ark, UGA, and SC all go to UT... and UT doesn't play Aub or LSU.

UT always plays a tough schedule so that's about as favorable as it gets.
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i don't even know where to begin with this...but i'll give it a shot.

1. you say first off that we're compling a great recruiting clas, then the next paragraph, we're running off great recruits by having threads like this??? which is it?
2. less question marks IN SPITE of the WR situation? the OL, Front 7, the secondary gets younger, and the WR all get younger. we have talent in all positions, but depth and experience will be issues and questions marks....ESP. UP FRONT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. and yes, the WR will be ? as well.
3. the road schedule isn't harder? :blink: @ Cal, @ UF in the first three games. uh, you do realize FL just won a national championship right? i realize that they are losing some on D, but let's not get to the point where we think FL is going to suck.
4. ARK, UGA, SC are all W's huh? if you're right about that, great, i'm all for it. but both UGA and SC will be better than they were this year. and we haven't beaten UGA at home since 99.

admire the optimism...but that's all it is. here's to hoping you're right, but knowing you are probably wrong.
 
#90
#90
I'm breaking it down like this, gentlemen:

The way I see it, UT has 5 built-in wins on the 2007 schedule (Southern Miss, Northern Illinois, Mississippi State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Vanderbilt) and 7 "loseable" games (Cal, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky.)

If we lose one or more of the "built-in wins," Fulmer should be gone.

Assuming all 5 of those games are won, if we fail to win a majority of the "loseable games," meaning a 3-4 record in those, or worse, Fulmer should be gone.

The dividing line is right at 9-4 overall. (8-4 regular season with a Music City Bowl win, 9-3 regular reason with a Chick Fil-A bowl loss)

I don't realistically see UT being a major factor in the SEC East, sad to say. Florida will lose some players, but they're still loaded and will be very tough. Georgia and South Carolina will be improved. Kentucky will probably field its best team in many years, and they had UT beat this year and blew it. Honestly, I'll be impressed - no, overjoyed - if UT goes 2-1 or better vs. Spurrier, Meyer and Richt next year. I think 1-2 is more liekly.
 
#91
#91
For the first time, Fulmer has to play 4 coaches every year that he has a losing record against (meyer, richt, spurrier, saban).

he should probably start packing his stuff now.
 
#92
#92
sjt18 said:
It's kind of interesting that these kinds of threads go on while Fulmer is out pulling in one of the best recruiting classes in the country.
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to bad they dont give BCS bowls for top recruiting classes
 
#93
#93
i understand how some want to back fulmer,alot go on his win percentage,which was built on who ? vandy, ky,the mississippi's and a few others. some that back fulmer are afraid of change, this is understandable,if he left what would we get ? who knows.
i also understand why alot want to get fulmer gone gone gone. some people can look and see just how deep in the hole the program has got . and they know that if something is not done soon we will be an also ran like georiga was in the 80's and 90's. i hate for ut with the talent it has to be some bodys whipping boy, case in point, penn state.but the bottom line is who is first to blame for a loss ? the coach and that is where the buck stops. so how much more losing is it going to take before fulmer is gone ? listen i dread what is in store for ut the next few years. florida owns us now and will continue too, bama will own us again. georiga has the talent to own us. it is a sad situation in k town right now. the truth is fulmer can not coach. he is to blame for ut's troubles,
take the chance and get another coach, hey saban would jump to k town if asked.
 
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