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[Daddy Gee]

The right time for the program for Fulmer to be fired was 2005. The roster was still decent and the lack of discipline was not yet as entrenched as it would eventually be. But Fulmer had earned a chance to turn it around.

Fulmer's failure to turn things around is how UT ended up in the shape it was. Kiffin and Dooley or now Jones have not "fixed" it back to prior peaks... But Fulmer is the one who took it down. The roster was weak and thin. He had lost credibility as a recruiter. Discipline on and off the field was terrible. Academics weren't keeping up with new NCAA initiatives.

He saw it as the University of Fulmer in the last few years.

The sad part is that if he had gone out and hired some great coordinators (and stopped meddling in their responsibilities), he might still be coaching here.

 

[VolFan..But]

I-A Winning Percentage 1967-2016


In the last 50 years, Tennessee is not 2nd. After this year it will be 5th with LSU close behind. And that is just the SEC.

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

He saw it as the University of Fulmer in the last few years.

The sad part is that if he had gone out and hired some great coordinators (and stopped meddling in their responsibilities), he might still be coaching here.

I think had he stayed that he would have righted the ship. No way in hell we’d be sitting 0-5 in the conference.

 

[AM64]

Tennessee is not the first program that has spun into a down cycle after letting go a championship winning coach. it is typical outcome of those type moves with almost any top program you can name.

There were also many coaches which turned down looking at us after that move that might have made a difference. You can only hire who will accept the job..

some examples of down spins

Alabama after Bryant
Auburn after Jordan
Georgia after Dooley
LSU after McClendon
Texas after Royal
USC after McKay

The difference is that sometimes the demise is self-inflicted rather than the result of retirement, illness, or death of a legendary coach. You can't do much about nature, but you'd sure think after centuries of civilization we could do something about stupid.

 

[jbr82]

Too many people try to absolve Fulmer of responsibility.

Like Jones but in VASTLY greater proportions, Fulmer did some great things at and for UT. However, he had a long decline starting around 2000. Probably the worst mistake he made was to promote Sanders to OC then stick with him.

The right time for the program for Fulmer to be fired was 2005. The roster was still decent and the lack of discipline was not yet as entrenched as it would eventually be. But Fulmer had earned a chance to turn it around.

Fulmer's failure to turn things around is how UT ended up in the shape it was. Kiffin and Dooley or now Jones have not "fixed" it back to prior peaks... But Fulmer is the one who took it down. The roster was weak and thin. He had lost credibility as a recruiter. Discipline on and off the field was terrible. Academics weren't keeping up with new NCAA initiatives.

Was there a change in the academic standard at that time? And I believe Fulmer had trouble with OCs when Cut wasn't around

 

[VFL1800FPD]

Tennessee is not the first program that has spun into a down cycle after letting go a championship winning coach. it is typical outcome of those type moves with almost any top program you can name.

some examples of down spins

Alabama after Bryant
Auburn after Jordan
Georgia after Dooley
LSU after McClendon
Texas after Royal
USC after McKay

I disagree. Ours is a special downspin, a product of inept decision making over a long period of time. For example:

In the 10 years after Bear left Bama:
2 SEC championships
6 9+ Wins seasons (4 10+)

10 years after Jordan left Auburn:
1 SEC Championship
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Dooley left UGA:
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mclendon left LSU:
3 9+ win seasons (1 10+)

10 years after Royal left TX:
SWC Championship
5 9+ seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mckay left USC:
4 Conference Championships
5 9+ win seasons (3 10+)

now..

10 years after Fulmer left UT:
2 9+ win seasons (no 10+)

And keep in mind, for the examples above, they often had less games in a season so less opportunity to get to 9+ wins

 

[orangeluvr]

I disagree. Ours is a special downspin, a product of inept decision making over a long period of time. For example:

In the 10 years after Bear left Bama:
2 SEC championships
6 9+ Wins seasons (4 10+)

10 years after Jordan left Auburn:
1 SEC Championship
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Dooley left UGA:
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mclendon left LSU:
3 9+ win seasons (1 10+)

10 years after Royal left TX:
SWC Championship
5 9+ seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mckay left USC:
4 Conference Championships
5 9+ win seasons (3 10+)

now..

10 years after Fulmer left UT:
2 9+ win seasons (no 10+)

And keep in mind, for the examples above, they often had less games in a season so less opportunity to get to 9+ wins

Oklahoma fell off the radar post Switzer. Revival is possible with the right people in place at EVERY level .

 

[sjt18]

Was there a change in the academic standard at that time? And I believe Fulmer had trouble with OCs when Cut wasn't around

IIRC, the academic oversight started changing around the time UT won the NC. The rules have gotten tighter since then but I believe the NCAA nosing around looking for academic cheats is about 20 years old.

Yeah. Cut and Fulmer made a really nice "marriage". Fulmer was mom oddly and Cut was dad. Cut was the disciplinarian. Fulmer was the "nurturer".

Cut has done better without Fulmer though than Fulmer did without Cut. In retrospect, UT should have hired Cut and his staff following Kiffin. I believe the hang up was that someone at UT didn't want Roper back.

 

[jbr82]

I disagree. Ours is a special downspin, a product of inept decision making over a long period of time. For example:

In the 10 years after Bear left Bama:
2 SEC championships
6 9+ Wins seasons (4 10+)

10 years after Jordan left Auburn:
1 SEC Championship
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Dooley left UGA:
4 9+ win seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mclendon left LSU:
3 9+ win seasons (1 10+)

10 years after Royal left TX:
SWC Championship
5 9+ seasons (2 10+)

10 years after Mckay left USC:
4 Conference Championships
5 9+ win seasons (3 10+)

now..

10 years after Fulmer left UT:
2 9+ win seasons (no 10+)

And keep in mind, for the examples above, they often had less games in a season so less opportunity to get to 9+ wins

Great research 👍

 

[jbr82]

IIRC, the academic oversight started changing around the time UT won the NC. The rules have gotten tighter since then but I believe the NCAA nosing around looking for academic cheats is about 20 years old.

Yeah. Cut and Fulmer made a really nice "marriage". Fulmer was mom oddly and Cut was dad. Cut was the disciplinarian. Fulmer was the "nurturer".

Cut has done better without Fulmer though than Fulmer did without Cut. In retrospect, UT should have hired Cut and his staff following Kiffin. I believe the hang up was that someone at UT didn't want Roper back.

That Roper deal seems strange. Thanks for the info