What type of OC do we need?

#51
#51
Has to be a good recruiter obviously but being a good teacher is the most important thing in my opinion. It's easy to say you are going to run multiple sets and multiple plays out of each set so that you are not predictable but actually being able to make it all simple to understand for all those players is the real trick. He needs to be a good motivator as well.
 
#52
#52
Hawkeye4588 said:
Since there are a plethora of threads on the offensive coordinators people want I would like this one to be about the one we need. To determine that we really need to look at our current personnel. The positives for our offense is I do believe when given time JG is a good QB. He is excellent on 3rd down conversions. He can use his legs. I am confident as well our offensive line will be better. It can't get any worse right? In the 2019 recruiting class we already have four offensive linemen committed including Wanya Morris, a five-star offensive tackle, is UT’s No. 1 recruit. I realize those guys are going to have to mature very quickly and may struggle the first few games but we are running a marathon here, not a sprint. We will have some decent tb's returning like Ty Chandler. We should still have a decent receiving corp. To me that all adds up to a shotgun spread involving RPO. In fact, I can not see any other offense that would work better with the players we will have on the field. Our O-line needs more experience before running a pro-style and the shotgun gives JG a little extra time. Pruitt is not unaware of this either because it is essentially what Bama runs.

What say you guys? Is there an offense that our current team is better suited for? If not, who are the best shotgun spread/RPO guys that are available?
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Someone who can innovate, knows how to use his weapons, well balanced, experienced, and aggressive. I do not want another yes boy who tries to run power with a finesse offense. Fulmer needs to leave Pruitt alone and Pruitt needs to hire the best man for the job and leave him alone
 
#53
#53
savannahfan said:
Your No. 2 and No. 3 just seem to me don't fit each other. RPO's are not simple. As you say they require quick, quick, quick. A QB has to "see" many things almost at the same time and make a complicated decision.
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RPO was just the example of optionality that came to mind. Also run options, hot reads, etc. Usually they work together because you can run a very limited playbook (or no playbook at all according to Briles) and optionality gives you a ton of variations on those plays. Simpler than, say, learning and expertly executing an exhaustive playbook. Simplicity is based on mental simplicity (learning concepts, playbook, etc).

I don't know a ton about RPOs, but they do seem more complicated to execute, but apparently the concept is simple - reading a single guy at some level, for instance. Since execution may need more practice, this may be why many of those same teams practice at warp speed, to maximize reps.
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#54
#54
Devo182 said:
We should follow best practices of optimal college football offenses:

1) Run threat QB ("threat" does not mean ran constantly, just needs to be a threat, at least)

2) Optionality - RPOs, as an example

3) Simplicity - Keep it simple and excel at quick decisions/easy reads. Don't overburden the QB.

4) Space - spread the F OUT. Data proves spread is best for running the ball.

5) Pace - use tempo, at least some. Don't have to be gung ho, but use tempo strategically, at the very least.


The five elements of the optimal college football offense

Fwiw, Briles is a great example of someone that uses many of these best practices and they are synergistic. The more you use, the more effective each is.
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Problem #1 right there. We dont have one of those. In fact, we have the opposite.
 
#56
#56
Merlin the magician would make a good OC.

Bama is doing a good job on offense. Run a traditional pro style balanced offense and mix in some RPO.
 
#57
#57
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Just a thought outside the box here: is an OC is absolutely necessary to win ballgames? Just because everyone does it, does that mean we have to do it?
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Maybe Pruitt really thought there was potential for calling all the plays of the game against Vandy. You know. Even though we got blown out.
 
#58
#58
savannahfan said:
Your No. 2 and No. 3 just seem to me don't fit each other. RPO's are not simple. As you say they require quick, quick, quick. A QB has to "see" many things almost at the same time and make a complicated decision.
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Agree 2 & 3 don't fit. Is JG the man to do that? I'm thinking Shrout is more of throwing pro style and not sure about Maurer translates to college he played on a HS team with a losing record.
 
#59
#59
Someone who can communicate his scheme to 18 to 20 year olds. If he can do this it will carry over into recruiting. We don't need a yes man, we need someone who is confident and stern.
 
#70
#70
Devo182 said:
RPO was just the example of optionality that came to mind. Also run options, hot reads, etc. Usually they work together because you can run a very limited playbook (or no playbook at all according to Briles) and optionality gives you a ton of variations on those plays. Simpler than, say, learning and expertly executing an exhaustive playbook. Simplicity is based on mental simplicity (learning concepts, playbook, etc).

I don't know a ton about RPOs, but they do seem more complicated to execute, but apparently the concept is simple - reading a single guy at some level, for instance. Since execution may need more practice, this may be why many of those same teams practice at warp speed, to maximize reps.
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I don't either (rpos)... However when some of these guys have to look and then think of the defense positions for the nest option,,,,, well, for most of them it'e too late. I think that our "great" multi play option QB's are not having to think, just react with their god given athleticism.
 
#71
#71
It doesn't matter who the OC is when hired. He had better get the OL in the weight room and start working with the OL Coach.

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#72
#72
LAVol1 said:
Bama has physical offensive players in spades. Would you classify them as more of a physical offensive team than others right now? I wouldn't. They spread it out and chunk it downfield. What they do have is a defense that can shut down opponents well enough to keep their D from getting exhausted from being on the field too long because the offense scores too quickly. Bama's offense has evolved to the new normal.
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I will agree that Bama's defense is and has been the strength of their team. What I mean when I talk about physicality shows when Bama decides that they have scored enough to comfortably pull away with the run game. They are physical enough that they can manage the line and let the skill players make plays. The offensive line imposes their will on the opposing Defense, and they run the ball for 4-6 yards per attempt. That kind of physical bullying along the line is what forces other teams to load up the box and try to stop that relentless running attack, thus opening throwing lanes for splash plays. We cannot dominate the line that way, so when we try to run the ball it slows our momentum and we struggle to make plays anywhere. I stand by my original comment that we need a fast spread offense for now, the methodical approach to running the ball will come with depth and talent.
 
#73
#73
sjt18 said:
Success often depends on zigging when everyone else zags.

That could mean going back to a power running scheme with a FB to block today's smaller LB's as the foundation of the O.

UT was 10th in the SEC and 75th in the country in 3rd down conversions... Yeah, I know it was everyone else's fault but JG's... but no. UT's offensive problems have roughly as much to do with JG's slow decision making and ineffective pre/post snap reads as with OL failures... and especially so after the middle of the season when the OL improved a little in pass protection.
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At least you are consistent with your hate and direct blame to JG, did he dump your sister or something!
Your agenda has been clear since the beginning! Almost every analysis in the country would disagree with you, Our OL was hot garbage this year!

Serious Question: What program is competing at a high level in the Power 5 that runs the offense that you speak of?
 
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