What the NLI rules say....

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let the kid go where he can be near his family. i seem to remember a u t situation with tyler of the basketball team that had the same situation with his dad. i know this is 2 different coaches, but still. chances are we won't even play mich or mich st in next 3 years. it would be possible with the outback or the other new year's bowl, where the sec meets the big ten, but what are the odds ? i like cdd, but i can't agree with him on this. just my opinion. flame away, if you must----
 
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sdowell said:
let the kid go where he can be near his family. i seem to remember a u t situation with tyler of the basketball team that had the same situation with his dad. i know this is 2 different coaches, but still. chances are we won't even play mich or mich st in next 3 years. it would be possible with the outback or the other new year's bowl, where the sec meets the big ten, but what are the odds ? i like cdd, but i can't agree with him on this. just my opinion. flame away, if you must----
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I tend to agree. So no flames here.
 
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sdowell said:
let the kid go where he can be near his family. i seem to remember a u t situation with tyler of the basketball team that had the same situation with his dad. i know this is 2 different coaches, but still. chances are we won't even play mich or mich st in next 3 years. it would be possible with the outback or the other new year's bowl, where the sec meets the big ten, but what are the odds ? i like cdd, but i can't agree with him on this. just my opinion. flame away, if you must----
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Tyler got a hardship waiver from the ncaa or he would not have been able to play the first year, Arnett can do the same thing. I am going to trust the coach on this one, since I don't know the entire situation.
 
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So he can appeal Dooley's decision to the board and they can decide to overrule Dooley or not.
 
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vols-1 said:
So he can appeal Dooley's decision to the board and they can decide to overrule Dooley or not.
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He has to be here at UT for at least a year and than he can appeal with the NCAA. If they feel he needs to be closer to his parents due his father's illness, than they can grant him a hardship waiver to allow him to go to Michigan or Michigan State. At least that is my understanding.
 
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sdowell said:
let the kid go where he can be near his family. i seem to remember a u t situation with tyler of the basketball team that had the same situation with his dad. i know this is 2 different coaches, but still. chances are we won't even play mich or mich st in next 3 years. it would be possible with the outback or the other new year's bowl, where the sec meets the big ten, but what are the odds ? i like cdd, but i can't agree with him on this. just my opinion. flame away, if you must----
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Not the same thing at all. Tyler Smith's father was diagnosed with terminal cancer AFTER Tyler went to play for Iowa, not before. Arnett's dad didn't have 2 heart attacks and start getting dialysis. He has been very sick for several years, as I understand it. Arnett made the decision to leave home and come to UT despite his father's illness, now he's trying to use it as an excuse and to pressure Dooley into letting him have his way. What a whiner.

Also, it isn't about playing Big 10, 11, 12 teams. It's about recruiting against them, and having former players working against you. If a kid leaves because he thinks you're giving him a raw deal (like BJ Coleman, for example), then he may take every chance he gets (like when a recruit you're trying to get visits his new school) to bad-mouth your program. A policy designed to minimize that is a good thing.
 
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Just feel we don't know the whole story. Homesickness and loss of Baggett seem to be a big part in this decision, maybe even the major parts. And it was coming during the season. The father's health just further hightened the issue. I seem to remember some tweets during the season about being homesick. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
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VictorOscarLima said:
Tyler got a hardship waiver from the ncaa or he would not have been able to play the first year, Arnett can do the same thing. I am going to trust the coach on this one, since I don't know the entire situation.
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Tyler was released from his scholarship. From the reading I understood that inorder to get a hardship to play immediately the player had to be released by the previous school?
 
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Tweetdriver63 said:
Not the same thing at all. Tyler Smith's father was diagnosed with terminal cancer AFTER Tyler went to play for Iowa, not before. Arnett's dad didn't have 2 heart attacks and start getting dialysis. He has been very sick for several years, as I understand it. Arnett made the decision to leave home and come to UT despite his father's illness, now he's trying to use it as an excuse and to pressure Dooley into letting him have his way. What a whiner.
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yeah, i understand, but the kid needs to be near his dad.we will be just fine without him. we have a few guys who can play the slot. i just feel for him and his family. i like arnett and pray everything works out for the best.
 
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sdowell said:
yeah, i understand, but the kid needs to be near his dad.we will be just fine without him. we have a few guys who can play the slot. i just feel for him and his family. i like arnett and pray everything works out for the best.
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The thing is, he isn't wanting to leave to be close to his dad. That's an excuse. Your point that we have other guys to play the slot (and we have what? three 4-star WRs committed in the 2012 class), and that Baggett (the reason he left Mich for UT to begin with) is gone, is the real reason he wants to leave. If he just needed to be close to his dad, he wouldn't complain about the restrictions. He would jump at the chance to play at W. Mich, if he was smart. #8 passing offense. #1 WR, with almost 2000 yards receiving this season. 2/3 of starting WRs are seniors. Seems like an awesome place for an ambitious WR to me.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Maybe this will help some with the Arnett situation.

National Letter of Intent Home Page
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Regardless of your point of view,I have always disagreed with the fact that the scholarship is for one year and they do not have to renew it, but after one year player can not go. I do not understand how a coach can decide not renew scholarship, but player can not reject renewing it.

P.S. I actually agree with Dooley on this one because Arnett was not being honest with Dooley. As stated earlier he did not even have a relationship with him and it is more his relationship with Baggett that he wants to leave. I am also pretty sure Dooley and staff talked about any concerns he may have such as distance and any family issues before deciding on Tennessee. I think that there should be a two year commitment on both the school and the player unless both agree to part ways due to serious family concerns such as Tyler Smith who's dad did not have long to live. If is dad really is bad off, then 1) Dooley should let him go to MSU or Michigan 2) Arnett would go to any school for one year to be closer to dad asap. jmo.
 
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vols-1 said:
Tyler was released from his scholarship. From the reading I understood that inorder to get a hardship to play immediately the player had to be released by the previous school?
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You may be right, cannot find anything that stats is clearly. I still think their is probably more to the situation that we don't know and we should put the trust in the coaches decision. Unfortunately, they cannot comment to defend what what Arnett is feeding the media. Dooley seems to fit the transfer rules around the situation regarding the player, like Aaron Douglas 8 hour radius rule. JMO
 
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I read this in a comment section in this article
Comments on DeAnthony Arnett transfer saga could end with all losing, if Tennessee remains heartless | Saginaw Sports - Page 2 - written by TeamWebb and thought it made good point about the recruiting against issue:

Tennessee (as a state) doesn't product many Div-I prospects, so Tennessee (as a school) has to recruit nationally to (attempt to) stay competitive. Tennessee is often in competition with Michigan and other Big Ten schools for the same top notch athletes. Having a former disgruntled Tennessee player hosting recruits considering both schools will likely have a negative impact for Tennessee in that specific recruiting battle. Tennessee doesn't want to put itself in a position where they can expect to lose each recruiting battle with whichever Michigan school Arnett prefers. Tennessee has the resources and exposure to win most recruiting battles with MAC schools.

Tennessee is actively recruiting eight 5-star athletes that are also being recruiting by Michigan and/or Michigan State. My guess is that Tennessee would like to have a shot with these recruits.
 
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Arnett's primary objective is to play for Mich or Mich St... if his father was his priority, he would happily accept his transfer into CMU, which is in Saginow.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
Arnett's primary objective is to play for Mich or Mich St... if his father was his priority, he would happily accept his transfer into CMU, which is in Saginow.
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CMU is in Mt. Pleasant which is about 50 miles from Saginaw. Saginaw is about 65 miles from E. Lansing.
 
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Isn't it more a case of not wanting to set a precedent?

Sure, maybe we won't miss Arnett that much, but what if this happens again with an outstanding player who wants to jump ship, due to impatience with the rebuilding process, or whatever?

Someone earlier posted that policies are written so that you don't have to go through the whole decision-making process every single time. Any parent can understand that, as children are born lawyers, arguing everything you say down to the last syllable.

And I'm still very skeptical that this is about the dad, as opposed to wanting to hop on a program that currently has a stronger pulse than ours.
 
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VolNExile said:
Isn't it more a case of not wanting to set a precedent?

Sure, maybe we won't miss Arnett that much, but what if this happens again with an outstanding player who wants to jump ship, due to impatience with the rebuilding process, or whatever?

Someone earlier posted that policies are written so that you don't have to go through the whole decision-making process every single time. Any parent can understand that, as children are born lawyers, arguing everything you say down to the last syllable.

And I'm still very skeptical that this is about the dad, as opposed to wanting to hop on a program that currently has a stronger pulse than ours.
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Well put and very likely the case. Arnett has options. His call.
 
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i am having a hard time thinking of schools that have given players a difficult time transferring the way tennessee has......with or without the circumstances regarding this kid's father.

i just don't understand why tennessee would give a damn where he goes as long as it's outside the sec and off tennessee's schedule.
 
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This is completely out of control at this point. This should be viewed as a life decision for young Mr. Arnett. Our lives are governed by rules. For any of you that have experienced illness of a close loved one you understand that sometimes you have to make life altering decisions.

I was homesick my first semester in school. I went to my coach and told him I wanted to transfer closer to home. He told me he would release me after the.spring semester if I still wanted to go. I dedicated myself in the winter and spring practice giving an honest effort, earned a starting position and stayed. Tough decision 500 miles from home but I made the right choice.

I lived in Alcoa for 6 years. I had a job making a very good living. My dad was diagnosed with stage 4 (terminal) lung cancer in 2009. I made the tough decision to move back home to help my mom and be with my dad. My company did not have any positions available here so I decided to take a job making considerably less. Tough decision to move from the foot hills of the smokies. I miss east Tennessee everyday, but I made the best choice given the circumstances. I have been able to spend time with my family that I would have missed out on and I would have regretted not coming home the rest of my life.

Life is a series of choices. Time to step up and be a man son and stop blaming others for holding you accountable. If you feel like you've made the wrong choice, suck it up, make the changes you need with the options available and make the best of your opportunities. You have a chance that 99% of the other people reading this thread will never have...to play a game, get and education, spend time with your family and experience things you never will have the opportunity in Saginaw.
 
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tripper said:
CMU is in Mt. Pleasant which is about 50 miles from Saginaw. Saginaw is about 65 miles from E. Lansing.
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44 miles... but I stand corrected. :hi:

Regardless, Tennessee has stated two rules... and so far they have stuck to those two rules. I do not see them backing off now.
 
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