What style of offense does Gruden run?

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orange parmejohn

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Just curious. I never paid much attention to the Bucs or Raiders. If he has to dumb it down for college football, will it still be effective, iyo? Was Alstott(sp) running the ball a lot, a part of his offensive design or was he just putting the ball in a playmaker's hands? Mods please dont merge with the Gruden IV thread. I'll never be able to find it. Thanks.
 
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One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
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Jesus Christ we effing get it. You don't like Gruden.

Anyways he runs a west coast offense. It's criticized for being too complex, but I have a feeling from all the camps he's gone to and stuff like that for college athletes that he has learned a thing or two and would most likely simplify it a lot.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
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Not exactly true. RB's are important in his system, but they are relied upon for catching the ball out of the backfield as much as running the ball.

His system relies on accurate QB's and precise WR route running...as its designed to pick defenses apart and spread them out...openin up the run game and deeper routes.

Joe Montana, Steve Young and Jerry Rice made a decent living in this offensive style. Lol
 
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Jake said:
Not exactly true. RB's are important in his system, but they are relied upon for catching the ball out of the backfield as much as running the ball.

His system relies on accurate QB's and precise WR route running...as its designed to pick defenses apart and spread them out...openin up the run game and deeper routes.

Joe Montana, Steve Young and Jerry Rice made a decent living in this offensive style. Lol
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I tried to actually talk about this in the other thread, but the Grudenites eyes are too glazed over to actually discuss the on the field aspects.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
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This simply isn't true. In fact I remember Charlie Garner showing out in Gruden's system in Oakland.
 
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To coin a phrase - "it ain't the Xs and Os. It's the Jimmys and Joes."

Hard to believe Gruden couldn't recruit top talent at QB, RB, WR and OL and run whatever style he wants.
 
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He's been meeting with college OCs pretty regularly during his time out of coaching. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of differences in his offense if he does come back.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
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He uses FB's and TE's and yes so is the RB. Not sure where you get your info or why you hate him so go cheer for Ala or LSU.
 
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jjay2518 said:
He's been meeting with college OCs pretty regularly during his time out of coaching. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of differences in his offense if he does come back.
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I would agree with this...especially with his natural ability to recruit...(assumption). But I'd bet his core offense will be that of which he has been most familiar with...the west coast.

As we all know (based on our closest rival) it's all about BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER...regardless of strategy...game management...and limited mistakes. Pretty darn simple!
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I tried to actually talk about this in the other thread, but the Grudenites eyes are too glazed over to actually discuss the on the field aspects.
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Ya, it's probably because most of them aren't familiar with his style as a coach and they are focused on his Hollywood profile. I like Gruden, and I think he would fit in well here. And I like his style of offense, if he has the players to execute his strategies. It can be a devastating and time consuming style of offense that can be extremely difficult to defend...spreading a defense out all over the field.
 
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Like another poster mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of differences in his offense in college. However, here are a couple of interesting links I found about his offense.

Matt Bowen breakdown with formations and plays

There's not much description here, but you can learn a few things:

1. Gruden liked pre-snap shifts and motions at Tampa
2. He uses some non-traditional sets for the West Coast offense most say he runs. EX: Heavy(1WR, 3TE, 1RB) and Tank(1WR, 2TE, 2RB)
3. Most analysts point out that he really likes bunch sets
4. Will purposefully break his own tendencies in the first 15 plays to throw off opposition and then revert to normal game plan
5. Attempts to get Big Names (Key players) involved early

Another interesting article on West Coast Offense with Gruden quotes

This is just a good article. Gruden uses some West Coast concepts, but doesn't think of his offense as West Coast.

Gruden's Tampa Offense was very complex

As noted by other posters, he will have to simplify for college. However, it's interesting to see that he likes to pull plays from deep in the playbook to challenge his team in practice. It's also kind of cool that he used terminology like "Freddy Kruger" and "Son of Sam" in his playbook.

Finally, a blitz designed to stop Gruden's offense.
 
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At Oakland he put Rich Gannon in the Pro Bowl (twice, I think) and got a 1000 yards out of Tyrone Wheatley. The offense was very balanced, much like a west coast offense is.

At Tampa Bay he won a super bowl with Brad Johnson at QB. He milked a couple of suprising seasons out of Jeff Garcia. When they had a decent runner, they were pretty balanced. When they didn't, they adapted and threw a lot more.

In general his passing game wasn't as vertical as Al Davis likes, which had something to do with Al never being happy with him. (It's widely reported that they also just didn't get along.)
 
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thank you guys for your responses. i would assume Gruden would need to change quite a bit of his offense due to the fact his QBs are still kids, and he only has them for a limited time. wasnt the Clawfense some form of the west coast offense? obviously my Xs&Os prowess is nonexistent. to the poster who said its all about the jimmys and joes, have a look at Texas.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One that ain't worth a (*fecal matter*).

#grudenisGARBAGE


But, to answer your question: Don't expect to go deep. Get used to 3-yard out routes. And oh, yeah....RB is not a priority in the Gruden system. Neither are TE's, if my memory serves me correctly.
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Would it be at all possible for you to give it a rest... You have made your opinion quite clear many times over.. My guess is even the people not in favor of Gruden are tired of your rant....
 
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orange parmejohn said:
thank you guys for your responses. i would assume Gruden would need to change quite a bit of his offense due to the fact his QBs are still kids, and he only has them for a limited time. wasnt the Clawfense some form of the west coast offense? obviously my Xs&Os prowess is nonexistent. to the poster who said its all about the jimmys and joes, have a look at Texas.
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I think the Clawfense was a poor version of the spread.

Of course there are variations to any system, but the west coast offense as Bill Walsh implemented it emphasized quick reads and quick passes (they made the quick slant into an art form -- Montana/Young to Rice/Taylor on a 5 yard slant had as much chance of breaking a big one as a 40 yard toss). It kind of flowed from there. The quick slants (or just the reputation of the quick slants) would open up the running game and passes to the backs and tight end, which would in turn open up intermediate to long passes when they sucked in the LBs. It was a beautiful thing to watch, and much more balanced than what folks seem to think. Gruden's sometimes looked a bit like that, (or at least like he was trying to do that) but with Gannon or Garcia running it instead of Montana and Young... well, you can imagine.

Incidentally: Montana averaged 12.0 yds per completion; Young 12.5 per completion; and Favre (in the Green Bay version) 11.5 per completion.
 
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Remember how Oregon offered Gruden the Offensive Coordinator position right after he was let go from the Bucs? Obviously, Gruden didn't take it, but it shows that Chip Kelly thought their offensive philosphies worked in similar fashion.

Gruden's offense adapted to different personnel. His Raiders offense looked alot different than the different schemes he ran in Tampa Bay. In the past, he's run stuff that looks like the spread and he's run stuff that was more geared on pounding the ball on the ground. I'm pretty sure he would adapt to the college game effectively.
 
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