What round will Josh Dobbs get drafted in, if at all?

[Ertel]

Not even close. Hundley does not have Dobbs innate escapability in the pocket nor does he have the same scrambling ability. People seriously undervalue this skill. Its the reason he's closer to Russell Wilson than Brett Hundley. How often does Wilson by time by scrambling to find receivers downfield? How about Rodgers and Roethlisberger?

Dobbs (mainly because our o-line is so bad) has been making something out of nothing his whole career here. That skill will help him succeed his first few seasons in the NFL as he hones the ins and outs of being a pocket passer in a pro-style offense.

I compare Dobbs to Randall Cunningham in terms of his physical tools (height, weight, speed, arm strength) and his innate scrambling skills.

Cunningham had an absolute cannon. I wouldn't say hes even close on arm strength, otherwise, from head to head film ive seen, guarantano has the strongest arm the world has ever seen.

 

[tonybologna]

Another Dak Prescott possibly? 4th round draft pick.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Cunningham had an absolute cannon. I wouldn't say hes even close on arm strength, otherwise, from head to head film ive seen, guarantano has the strongest arm the world has ever seen.

JG has a stronger arm than anyone in college football. He's got a Colin Kaepernick type arm. Its all-time special.

Dobbs arm strength isn't all-time special like JG but it is up there. Its about as good as you could ask for. I've seen him throw multiple 60 yard bombs on a dime (see Missouri 2016 and Kentucky 2015). And remember how effortless that 50 yard Hail Mary against Georgia was for him and how much air he got up underneath it.

You will be surprised when the combine and pro days show up and folks are wowing about his arm strength.

 

[ATLVols]

I think 4th round. Too talented to not get drafted by somebody willing to develop him.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

what do yall think he runs?

Im thinking around a 4.7... Hes football fast for sure and has ran away from guys who will post better than that but I don't think he's a great 40 guy. Also curious about his vertical and bench. He's shockingly strong and may have been harder to take down in the open field than Hurd. Just bounces off of and pulls away from guys constantly.

Dobbs will run 4.5 at worst.

Remember he was one of the fastest guys on the team and was in the 20mph club.

I wouldn't he surprised to see him run 4.49 or faster.

 

[ttocswob]

(with appologies to Mr. Chuck Noris) DH4 believes that NFL Teams dont draft Dobbs.... Dobbs drafts an NFL Team

Paul Bain called, and wanta his schtick back - or was it Wilks?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'm not putting too much faith in anybody. I cited 7 separate sources, only 1 which was Kiper, and said I don't know about McShay. And if I was gonna put "too much faith" into somebody, it surely wouldn't be in you and your erroneous thoughts/predictions.

What I do know is that most everybody said Goff and Wentz were gonna be picked very early in last year's draft, among the very first qbs taken in the few months leading up to the draft.....Goff was taken with the first pick, Wentz with the second.

They have info on who the top guys will be RIGHT NOW but they have no idea how the mid-round guys will shake out. Why? Because the NFL guys don't know that yet either. Their still evaluating guys. Just think back to last year? Nobody had Cody Kessler as a 3rd rounder until the Browns took him. How about the last few years? Eveyone had Hundley, McCarrons, and Barkley going much higher than they ended up getting drafted because the talking heads on tv overvalued them compared to NFL teams.

Nobody knows right now how the QBs will shake out past the first few. Guys like Kiper and McShay are just guessing right now. That's why I said wait until after the combine to get a good idea of how the mid round guys will shake out. I know you think Kiper and McShay are actually good evaluators of talent. They are not. Their only use is to relay info to us about what NFL clubs are thinking. And RIGHT NOW nobody knows because NFL clubs haven't even evaluated all players and have not put together any big boards yet. That's what the combine, senior bowl, and pro days are for. Kiper, McShay, and the internet guys are simply guessing as to Dobbs draft stock as we are. Nobody really will know his value until after the combine.

Every year we hear new names rise and old names fall after the combine. This year should be no different. Which is why I would pay little stock to what any of these "draft experts" are saying RIGHT NOW.

Wait till after the combine then tell me what they are saying. About that point is when I would start listening to them. Because its around that point they begin regurgitating info they hear from NFL personnel to us. Rather than the guesswork they are doing RIGHT NOW.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Didn't you have Dobbs going 7th overall in another thread?

No. I had him rated as MY 7th overall player in this draft.

NFL teams aren't smart enough to draft him that high.

They typically miss on star QB. See Brady falling to the 6th round, Russell Wilson to the 3rd, and Dak Prescott to the 4th.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He's all over the place. In recent months, he's had him as a certain 1st rounder. Now he's got him going anywhere from early 2nd to by end of 4th....just hedging his bets so he can try and deflect the certain criticism coming his way, kinda like last year when he pretty called anyone an idiot in here who didn't agree with him that North would definitely, absolutely be off the board no later than the 4th round. It's just his schtick.

I said I would draft him in the 1st round. Because that is his value IMO. As people have reposted I currently rate him ON MY BIG BOARD as the 7th overall prospect in this class and #1 overall QB.

But then again that is simply MY OPINION. I have no idea where the dumb NFL GMs will ultimately draft him. They are known to miss on great NFL players quite often. See Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, etc.

If I had to guess, I would say 2nd to 4th round depending on how he does at the senior bowl, combine, and pro day. But once again that's simply a guess.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He said.......
So many great players in this class that my top 10-20 is constantly changing. Here is what I got right now:

D4H's Top 20 Prospects in the 2017 NFL Draft
1. DE Myles Garrett (Texas A&M)
2. DL Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
3. CB Cam Sutton (Tennessee)
4. WR Corey Davis (Western Michigan)
5. RB Alvin Kamara (Tennessee)
6. RB Joe Mixon (Oklahoma)
7. QB Joshua Dobbs (Tennessee)
8. QB Brad Kaaya (Miami)
9. CB Jourdan Lewis (Michigan)
10. DE Charles Harris (Missouri)
11. DT Caleb Brantley (Florida)
12. S Eddie Jackson (Alabama)
13. CB Marlon Humphrey (Alabama)
14. TE Evan Engram (Ole Miss)
15. RB Leonard Fournette (LSU)
16. DL Malik McDowell (Michigan State)
17. S Jamal Adams (LSU)
18. LB Jarrad Davis (Florida)
19. CB Teez Tabor (Florida)
20. DE Derek Barnett (Tennessee)

More evaluations more changes. Just watched some tape on Marcus Maye. He's better than teammate Keanu Neal who went in the first round. Also got a chance to study Christian McCaffrey. He should be a good player in the NFL. A poor man's Alvin Kamara IMO.

Here's my new top 20:

1. DE Myles Garrett (Texas A&M)
2. DL Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
3. CB Cam Sutton (Tennessee)
4. WR Corey Davis (Western Michigan)
5. RB Alvin Kamara (Tennessee)
6. RB Joe Mixon (Oklahoma)
7. QB Joshua Dobbs (Tennessee)
8. QB Brad Kaaya (Miami)
9. CB Jourdan Lewis (Michigan)
10. DE Charles Harris (Missouri)
11. DT Caleb Brantley (Florida)
12. S Eddie Jackson (Alabama)
13. CB Marlon Humphrey (Alabama)
14. TE Evan Engram (Ole Miss)
15. RB Christian McCaffrey (Stanford)
16. RB Leonard Fournette (LSU)
17. S Marcus Maye (Florida)
18. DL Malik McDowell (Michigan State)
19. S Jamal Adams (LSU)
20. LB Jarrad Davis (Florida)

This draft is strong at RB, DL, and DB. Weak at OT and WR.

 

[GAVol]

No. I had him rated as MY 7th overall player in this draft.

NFL teams aren't smart enough to draft him that high.

They typically miss on star QB. See Brady falling to the 6th round, Russell Wilson to the 3rd, and Dak Prescott to the 4th.

That's just blissfully dense.

 

[KBVol]

Some tweets from Hyams regarding where Mike Detillier, a well-respected College and Pro Football Analyst, projects Tennessee players will be drafted ....


Mike DeTilllier projection on Vols in NFL draft: Derek Barnett (top 10 pick) Cam Sutton (3rd round) Alvin Kamara (late 2nd, early 3rd (1/2)

DeTillier: Josh Malone (3rd) Jalen Reeves-Maybin (5th or 6th round) Corey Vereen and LaTroy Lewis (7th round or free agent)


Doesn't have Dobbs being drafted.

 

[KBVol]

You're not thinking about it the right way. His greatest asset is his athleticism. Obviously, you draft him as a QB, but if he doesn't develop as a QB, you want the option to channel that athleticism into another spot on the field. If he says, "I'm a QB, period" Tim Tebow style, then you run the risk of drafting a QB that is worthless once you find out he can't QB at an NFL level.

Understand your point, just disagree. Josh has a qb skill set imo, which includes his athletic ability, which is outstanding for a qb, but not necessarily for a WR, which is the position he'd theoretically be most likely to switch to.

For example, I'd guess he's a 4.6 guy in the 40 which is great for a qb but is slow for a WR. Also, he's caught two passes in his collegiate career....how good are his hands, can he run routes, how strong/good would be getting off coverage? He's an above average athlete at qb....would that be the same if he moved to WR? I don't think it would. And if he switches to another position that he's never played and showed value at, I think he becomes even more of a project and his draft stock slips even further.
Jmo.

Again, just generally disagree, no worries.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That's just blissfully dense.

I'm not typically a stats guy but just for arguments sake let us look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season per ESPN's QBR statistic. Its not the best stat in the world but its a good baseline to determine exactly who were the top QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season and then we can look at where they were picked. Source: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

In 2016 the top 10 QBs in terms of Total QBR were:

1. Matt Ryan (1st round)
2. Tom Brady (6th round)
3. Dak Prescott (4th round)
4. Aaron Rodgers (1st round)
5. Kirk Cousins (4th round)
6. Drew Brees (2nd round)
7. Andrew Luck (1st round)
8. Matthrew Stafford (1st round)
9. Tyrod Taylor (6th round)
10. Ben Roetherlisberger (1st round)

As you can see 50% of the top 10 QBs of 2016 were drafted in the 2nd round or later while the other 50% were drafted in the first round. Drafting QBs is a 50/50 proposition. These NFL guys can pretend like they know who will be good around draft time but they really have no idea.

 

[BearCat204]

I'm not typically a stats guy but just for arguments sake let us look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season per ESPN's QBR statistic. Its not the best stat in the world but its a good baseline to determine exactly who were the top QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season and then we can look at where they were picked. Source: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

In 2016 the top 10 QBs in terms of Total QBR were:

1. Matt Ryan (1st round)
2. Tom Brady (6th round)
3. Dak Prescott (4th round)
4. Aaron Rodgers (1st round)
5. Kirk Cousins (4th round)
6. Drew Brees (2nd round)
7. Andrew Luck (1st round)
8. Matthrew Stafford (1st round)
9. Tyrod Taylor (6th round)
10. Ben Roetherlisberger (1st round)

As you can see 50% of the top 10 QBs of 2016 were drafted in the 2nd round or later while the other 50% were drafted in the first round. Drafting QBs is a 50/50 proposition. These NFL guys can pretend like they know who will be good around draft time but they really have no idea.

And you do? Don't answer, I already checked your stats and know.

 

[hndog609]

I'm not typically a stats guy but just for arguments sake let us look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season per ESPN's QBR statistic. Its not the best stat in the world but its a good baseline to determine exactly who were the top QBs in the NFL for the 2016 season and then we can look at where they were picked. Source: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

In 2016 the top 10 QBs in terms of Total QBR were:

1. Matt Ryan (1st round)
2. Tom Brady (6th round)
3. Dak Prescott (4th round)
4. Aaron Rodgers (1st round)
5. Kirk Cousins (4th round)
6. Drew Brees (2nd round)
7. Andrew Luck (1st round)
8. Matthrew Stafford (1st round)
9. Tyrod Taylor (6th round)
10. Ben Roetherlisberger (1st round)

As you can see 50% of the top 10 QBs of 2016 were drafted in the 2nd round or later while the other 50% were drafted in the first round. Drafting QBs is a 50/50 proposition. These NFL guys can pretend like they know who will be good around draft time but they really have no idea.

Umm, dude...how bad are you at math? There is only 1 (ONE) first round and 50% of the top 10 QB's in the league came from that one round. Moreover, the average for the entire top 10 works out at mid 2nd round or higher.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

D4H reminds me of this guy I went to HS with. He always raised his hand in confidence. He was usually wrong, but he was good for raising his hand.

 

[TennMan101]

Walterfootball.com has Josh ranked at the 12th best qb in the draft.

Cbssports.com has him being the 10th qb taken.

Sports Illustrated says he's not one of the top 10 qbs in the draft

ProFootballFocus says he's not in their top 5 qb list

Drafttek.com says he's their 11th qb in the draft

Kiper doesn't have Josh in his top 10.

Draftwire.com doesn't have him listed in their top 10, nor among their "4 on the bubble"

Not sure about McShay or some others.


Look, it only takes one team to love Josh and go against the grain/prognosticators/so-called experts. Plus, Josh has the Senior Bowl, his Pro Day and the combine to improve his stock.

But right now, it's difficult to say he's gonna be anything but a late round pick and maybe even an undrafted free agent.

I hope he goes somewhere in middle rounds and that a top, successful franchise like a New England or Seattle or KC or Pittsburgh snatches him up.

Walterfootball.com has Barnett going in the first round, Kamara in the second and Sutton in the 3rd. Three Vols drafted in the top 96 college football players is a thing of beauty after a couple years of not even having a player drafted!

 

[Probably_in_Class]

Umm, dude...how bad are you at math? There is only 1 (ONE) first round and 50% of the top 10 QB's in the league came from that one round. Moreover, the average for the entire top 10 works out at mid 2nd round or higher.

 

[VonVol]

Umm, dude...how bad are you at math? There is only 1 (ONE) first round and 50% of the top 10 QB's in the league came from that one round. Moreover, the average for the entire top 10 works out at mid 2nd round or higher.

Not to mention the fact that you have a percentage of teams that are absolutely set at qb and aren't going to draft one in the first couple rounds anyways. D4H has no clue what he's talking about. But most already know that.

 

[VonVol]

Where a player is drafted also matters. I doubt Dak Prescott is in the top ten had the Browns drafted him. He was put in a great spot.

 

[Biopsyman]

His game is much more suited towards the Canadian football league

 

[YankeeVol]

6th or 7th.

He may get picked in the 5th if a team really likes him.

 

[Fijivol72]

Josh will be drafted no later than Rd 4 imo. I personally think he will be a very good NFL QB.

 

[Nasavol]

Rated 12th QB in the draft, probably about right. See the comments:

1/9/17: In 2016, Dobbs completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,946 yards with 27 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. He also had 10 rushing touchdowns.

In the season opener against Appalachian State, Dobbs showed some accuracy issues with poor ball placement and struggled to move the ball through the air. He had a number of overthrows and also some fumbling issues. That set the tone as Dobbs did not look like an NFL pocket passer as he struggles with accuracy and operating out of the pocket.

6-7 rd pick.