What Other Message Boards Are Saying: Mizzou Edition

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William Quantrill said:
I may be wrong, but those messages appear to be from tiger board. Those are generally the most hardcore and gung-ho MU homers. They are often on there trashing Gary Pinkel. Coach Pinkel only has the best record in the history of Missouri football. Those of us whom have followed the program for over four decades understand the advantages and disadvantages of the program. This years football team has been playing very erratic, but seems to perform better on the road. If MU brings their best game to Knoxville, they can defeat Tennessee. On the other hand, if Bad Missouri shows up, it will be ugly.
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Thanks Mrs. Pinkel.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
If you are staying close to downtown, go to market square/old city area. There are lots of bars and a couple breweries. If you are staying north(merchants rd area,not much up there but restaurants. If you are staying west there are bars down Kingston pk and further west is turkey creek entertainment and shopping complex. If you are staying east I don't know what to tell you, good luck out there.
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My cousins are out there and know a very respectable shine man.
 
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sjt18 said:
I understand it just fine. He recruits to a "system". That doesn't make the players suddenly elite athletes. He gets some of those too... but mostly it is how he tailors the players he recruits to the systems that he runs. I wouldn't give James too much of the credit though. Pinkel didn't make real noise at MU until his 7th year. There was quite a bit of trial and error in there.

It isn't that big of a secret. He finds guys who for various reasons are underrecruited. Jones has done the same over his career and even since arriving at UT. Cam Sutton was a 3* player as was Dobbs on Rivals. Jones' OL recruiting is similar to Pinkel's.

Where Pinkel excels is finding players who fit his unique system. He also takes a shot on kids from small or obscure HS's. IIRC, Sam played at a really small school that didn't have much football success. A lot of talent gets missed at lower level HS programs. Many of those players need a RS and a year or two to catch up but if it is what you can get... you can make a living with it.

Not sure if you are aware of this or not but the public recruiting sites are not the ones coaches use. Every major program uses private recruiting svcs to help them find and evaluate talent. They are FAR more accurate than the public, consumer oriented recruiting svcs.

Yeah. I believe one of your other starters was a walk-on from Montana or Wyoming.

No. You still have to factor in the unusually easy road Mizzou has had last year and this year. Between catching teams at the right time and playing a lighter schedule... it just hasn't been "typical" SEC competition. That won't last.

That said, Pinkel and staff DO a very good job of developing low grade or underdeveloped athletes. That's pretty much my point.

OTOH... the safe bet is still those 4/5* players.



You are currently 6th in the SEC in total D.... against a light schedule. The most impressive showing MU has had on D was USCe. UGA rolled you... and they're the only ranked team you've played.

You have a good and perhaps very good D... made to look better by the competition you've faced.



Everyone misses on players they want. Its just a reality when you compete for recruits on that level.

I know you all are convinced that this run can continue just on the type of talent Pinkel has been able to get and develop historically. But it can't. UT is coming out of the worst low ebb in over 100 years of football. You can count on UF to hire a good coach and start loading up again.

Your West rival is pretty lame- Arkansas... and your fortune in draws continues next fall as well. You get MSU that will lose a boat load of Srs from this year's team. Mizzou continues its ridiculous habit of not scheduling quality OOC opponents as well in 2015 with your "tough" game being BYU.

I'm not really sure if the SEC will ever pressure MU on their OOC scheduling... but they really should. I believe most of the others schedule at least one power 5 OOC opponent.

BUT... the East teams you face at the top tier are about to get much tougher. The historic big 3 are about to reassert themselves.
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If took GP several years to overcome the near 20 yrs of wandering the wilderness of a program he inherited.

I totally agree We don't have the overall talent from top to bottom from a physical standpoint...but I not sure the gulf is as wide as many believe. I'm also skeptical that the gulf will widen as you suspect in the coming years because talent really hasn't been Tenn.,UF,UGA etc. problem it was coaching and why that coaching of the top talent has gotten better...I also think the quality of system recruits we are bringing in has increased to keep pace.

I do recall GP in a article in recruiting saying they use one instate service and one national service for locating players.
 
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TheGrove68 said:
If took GP several years to overcome the near 20 yrs of wandering the wilderness of a program he inherited.
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Not just that. You'd probably acknowledge that MU's facilities until just of late were 2nd or even 3rd tier. The stadium addition was a good move... if MU fans will fill it. My understanding is the improvements have also been made in the sports complex. It is honestly remarkable how spotty the fan support for MU is considering the enrollment and number of grads.

I totally agree We don't have the overall talent from top to bottom from a physical standpoint...but I not sure the gulf is as wide as many believe. I'm also skeptical that the gulf will widen as you suspect in the coming years because talent really hasn't been Tenn.,UF,UGA etc. problem it was coaching and why that coaching of the top talent has gotten better...I also think the quality of system recruits we are bringing in has increased to keep pace.
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One of the things that even UT fans don't mention much any more is how much of UT's recent success has been fueled by underclassmen. MU will have 15 starters tomorrow who are upperclassmen (8 Srs). UT will have 9... only 3 of which are Srs. UT will start 6 or 7 true Fr.

UT's '14 recruiting class wasn't just impressive on paper. It has been even more impressive on the field. It appears that Jones is duplicating that effort with his '15 class headlined by 2 of top 10 DT prospects.

Talent and especially depth of talent HAS been an issue at UT. Coaching has also been an issue. I have been as "reserved" in the faith I'm willing to put in Jones as anyone here. But having watched UT football closely for a very long time now... I believe there are clear signs of the Vols being on the brink of a break out.

UT's talent level is DEFINITELY swinging up across the board.

I do recall GP in a article in recruiting saying they use one instate service and one national service for locating players.
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The public recruiting sites get tricked by marketing sometimes. The private ones used by coaches don't get fooled very often. They don't make guarantees... just rather accurately describe what a coach will be getting with a particular recruit. It seems pretty apparent that Pinkel's program is to bring guys in and develop them for 2 or 3 years before they start contributing.

I actually think Jones would like to do that... or at least get to it eventually. But programs used to being in the top tier of the SEC seldom have that kind of patience. His stated goal is to get to a point where guys who are now playing early (and in many cases playing well) will get a year or two of development before having to play. He'll be similar in design to how Pinkel does it... with better feed stock.

All that said, a large majority of 4/5* players become very good college players. IIRC, about half of all 5* players end up going pro. There are plenty of guys out there who weren't ranked highly if you can find them... but the safe money is on the teams getting the 4/5* players.
 
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sjt18 said:
They HAVE backed into good seasons both this year and last. I hope UT can capitalize on its advantages and wear Mizzou out.
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How did Mizzou back into anything last year? We lost one conference game.

How did we back into anything this year? Again, we've lost one conference game.
 
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mizzou waltz said:
How did Mizzou back into anything last year? We lost one conference game.
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It was amazing but virtually every team from the East that could have beaten you had critical injuries just before playing you. Your schedule was favorable... not as much as this year or even close... but still favorable.

MU did nothing "wrong". It takes breaks to win sometimes. But you got them... in abundance.

How did we back into anything this year? Again, we've lost one conference game.
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You will have played one ranked team when the season is over- they smoked you. That's pretty amazing to dodge ranked teams like that in the SEC. Your O has been anemic... against bottom tier SEC D's. Your D has been good... against middling SEC O's. Your West draws this year will probably finish 6th and 7th in their division. In all likelihood, Arkansas' bowl hopes lie in beating you... and their OOC schedule was also weak.

Your OOC schedule should be embarrassing to you. If you want respect as a top tier SEC team you play OU... or Oregon... or FSU... you don't play Indiana much less lose to them.
 
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vtvol98 said:
This shows what a beast Barnett really is!
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Versus the conference, UT leads in sacks at 23 with two games left to play... 4 more than UF who has played 8 games and Mizzou who has played 6 at 19 sacks.

Also against the SEC, Barnett and Maggitt are #1 and #2 in sacks with 9 and 8 respectively. Ray is 3rd with 6.5. Garrett who became somewhat of a media darling for awhile... only had 3 of his 11 sacks vs the SEC.

UT is first in TFL overall and 2nd behind UF by two in the SEC... with two games to pass them. Barnett and Ray are tied overall individually in TFL with 18 each. However, Barnett leads the SEC vs the conference by a wide margin.

Against only SEC competition, Barnett has 15.5 TFL followed by Fowler (9.5), Maggitt (9.0), and Ray (8.5).

Barnett is one of the most underrated players in the SEC right now... and yes... a "beast".
 
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sjt18 said:
Versus the conference, UT leads in sacks at 23 with two games left to play... 4 more than UF who has played 8 games and Mizzou who has played 6 at 19 sacks.

Also against the SEC, Barnett and Maggitt are #1 and #2 in sacks with 9 and 8 respectively. Ray is 3rd with 6.5. Garrett who became somewhat of a media darling for awhile... only had 3 of his 11 sacks vs the SEC.

UT is first in TFL overall and 2nd behind UF by two in the SEC... with two games to pass them. Barnett and Ray are tied overall individually in TFL with 18 each. However, Barnett leads the SEC vs the conference by a wide margin.

Against only SEC competition, Barnett has 15.5 TFL followed by Fowler (9.5), Maggitt (9.0), and Ray (8.5).

Barnett is one of the most underrated players in the SEC right now... and yes... a "beast".
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All of this and it's gonna be a while, if ever, we see another freshman DE come in for the Vols and take over like he has. Next year he's gonna rewrite the Vol record books.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
All of this and it's gonna be a while, if ever, we see another freshman DE come in for the Vols and take over like he has. Next year he's gonna rewrite the Vol record books.
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I've had some doubts about Jones but his eye for talent is pretty impressive. If Jones stays long term, I'll be surprised if there isn't a long line of dominant DL's.

Agree about the record books though if he stays healthy.
 
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Was curious so I just looked. Derek is already tied for 6th all time in TFL in a season.

With two more sacks will be top 5 all time in sacks in a season.

He is also only 6.5 TFL away from tieing the single season record.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I delayed this thread for a day or two after my normal posting, for obvious reasons. But AJ isn't playing this Saturday one way or the other, there's nothing we can do about it, and the week must go on. For whoever hasn't noticed, we are THE game Saturday night. Mizzou knows it and their fans are ready.

Thanks, I know it takes a lot of time to go thru all that.
:good!::good!::good!:

GBO :rock:
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I am glad they think arkansas is trending up and they worry more about them.

They will meet Dobbs soon enough.
 
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