What makes us think UT is willing to pay for a top notch coach?

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Yes another thread to try and get us thinking and see what kind of response we get.

Here is the way I have looked at it.

Fulmer went out making $2 mil
Kiffin made $2 mil here
Dooley makes $2 mil here.

Why should we think this university is going to pay top notch money $4-$5 million when the track record just is not there to do so? As long as we pay lower tier money we are probably going to get nothing but a lower tier coach unless we find a diamond in the rough and get lucky.
 
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footballref said:
Yes another thread to try and get us thinking and see what kind of response we get.

Here is the way I have looked at it.

Fulmer went out making $2 mil
Kiffin made $2 mil here
Dooley makes $2 mil here.

Why should we think this university is going to pay top notch money $4-$5 million when the track record just is not there to do so? As long as we pay lower tier money we are probably going to get nothing but a lower tier coach unless we find a diamond in the rough and get lucky.
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Good points. Let's just hope our AD is smart enough to see that we need to spend the money... And being from Bama he should..
 
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The Saban hire changed things. Fulmer was making pretty good money pre-Saban. Kiffin didn't get much but the University spent a lot assembling an allstar staff. Dooley was knee jerk and on the cheap. Lesson learned from that debacle.
 
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The problem is that the coach that everyone is drooling over doesn't exist:

1) Proven win record at a major university.
2) A NC or two.
3) Not in current trouble at current or past job.
4) Win in 2 years.
5) Willing to come to UT.

My bet is #2 and #5 is all we will get with a starting salary in the 2.5 mil range. No current coaches meeting the above from UT available to "come home". I just don't see that home run guy out there. I DO NOT KNOW THE SOLUTION.
 
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After following the Vols for 56 years. I do not see the admin. hiring a big name coach. The only hire like that was Majors. All the others were 2nd tier coaches or assistants. Some were successful, some were not.
See Doug Dickey and Bill Battle. Dickey could have been the Bear Bryant of the SEC if he had stayed. He only lost to the bear twice and owned him the rest of the time. He had it rolling when he went to Fla. Big mistake. Bottom line is money will not be spend to hire the best. They will try to find a diamond in the rough as before. Could be good or bad. 50/50 chance.
 
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Dave Hart is a mature man who understands that his professional reputation is on the line with the next hire, assuming he is still here when the move is made. If Hart believes that we can only get what we need with big bucks and the powers that be don't give Hart sufficient funds, my guess is that we will all know about it. I think this AD would publicly shame people into ponying up if it comes to that.
 
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footballref said:
Yes another thread to try and get us thinking and see what kind of response we get.

Here is the way I have looked at it.

Fulmer went out making $2 mil
Kiffin made $2 mil here
Dooley makes $2 mil here.

Why should we think this university is going to pay top notch money $4-$5 million when the track record just is not there to do so? As long as we pay lower tier money we are probably going to get nothing but a lower tier coach unless we find a diamond in the rough and get lucky.
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Because I think the powers that be understand that this is what it's going to take to put us back on the proverbial football map. Anything short of a big splash hire that doesn't garner instant attention and excitement is going to spell a VERY long term rebuilding project and economically this program is too big and too important to this community to endure that.

Anyone who is concerned with the upfront cost of buying out Dooley and ponying up the cash to hire a proven guy is simply failing to look at the long term devastation this is going to continue to cause this program. In the long run it's a speeding ticket compared to the risk of losing mass season ticket sales, concessions, merch sales, etc.
 
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tmartin said:
After following the Vols for 56 years. I do not see the admin. hiring a big name coach. The only hire like that was Majors. All the others were 2nd tier coaches or assistants. Some were successful, some were not.
See Doug Dickey and Bill Battle. Dickey could have been the Bear Bryant of the SEC if he had stayed. He only lost to the bear twice and owned him the rest of the time. He had it rolling when he went to Fla. Big mistake. Bottom line is money will not be spend to hire the best. They will try to find a diamond in the rough as before. Could be good or bad. 50/50 chance.
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You are correct it would be a major departure from the history of going on the cheap.

But it is a new era. There is major money at stake, with large risk associated with throwing money at a splash but perhaps even MORE financial risk in not paying to play.

College football has become big business. Sad but no going back.
 
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footballref said:
Yes another thread to try and get us thinking and see what kind of response we get.

Here is the way I have looked at it.

Fulmer went out making $2 mil
Kiffin made $2 mil here
Dooley makes $2 mil here.

Why should we think this university is going to pay top notch money $4-$5 million when the track record just is not there to do so? As long as we pay lower tier money we are probably going to get nothing but a lower tier coach unless we find a diamond in the rough and get lucky.
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Why have a 100,000 + seat house and not keep the seats filled?
 
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tm3 said:
You are correct it would be a major departure from the history of going on the cheap.

But it is a new era. There is major money at stake, with large risk associated with throwing money at a splash but perhaps even MORE financial risk in not paying to play.

College football has become big business. Sad but no going back.
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This is correct. Times have changed. The blueprint has been cast - Alabama showed if you want to play, you pay. Tennessee can't afford to take a 50/50 risk, thus they'll pony up.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
This is correct. Times have changed. The blueprint has been cast - Alabama showed if you want to play, you pay. Tennessee can't afford to take a 50/50 risk, thus they'll pony up.
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And remember how people laughed at "those bammer fools" for paying $4mil?

Who is laughing now?
 
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FearlessFreep said:
This is correct. Times have changed. The blueprint has been cast - Alabama showed if you want to play, you pay. Tennessee can't afford to take a 50/50 risk, thus they'll pony up.
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But we will go get that next great OC DC and he will stand up and make that great speech, and old nick will sit back with that smile on his face knowing he doesnt have to worry about Tennessee until he retires.:banghead2:
 
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TNGlen said:
The problem is that the coach that everyone is drooling over doesn't exist:

1) Proven win record at a major university.
2) A NC or two.
3) Not in current trouble at current or past job.
4) Win in 2 years.
5) Willing to come to UT.

My bet is #2 and #5 is all we will get with a starting salary in the 2.5 mil range. No current coaches meeting the above from UT available to "come home". I just don't see that home run guy out there. I DO NOT KNOW THE SOLUTION.
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Minus the NC - your man is Bobby Petrino

1) Proven win record at a major university.Yes
2) A NC or two.
3) Not in current trouble at current or past job.Never so much as an accusation
4) Win in 2 years.Did it at Arkansas
5) Willing to come to UT.
He would come in a second
 
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