What kind of statement would it make

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#26
Keep Dooley around one more year and we will all know what it feels like to be a cupcake team in our own conference. A new low for Tennessee football
 
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The statement would be UT can't beat anyone that matters for 3 straight years.

After which the statement UT will make is hiring a new football coach.
 
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Spawn said:
Not everyone. We lost to KY last year and Vandy took us to Overtime.

I guess a cupcake team can't crush another cupcake team.
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I don't understand your point. If you're saying we're now a cupcake, too-- I agree. Good teams consider us a gimme, and winning out isn't going to change the fact that we haven't beaten anybody meaningful since Halloween 2009. Crushing Vandy or UK or beating the bottomfeeders of another conference in a scrub bowl still means we'll end up in the bottom tier of the SEC-- again.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I definitely don't think hammering them is something to be "proud of", just that it helps with the perception.
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I understand where you're coming from-- I just think we're past the point of it mattering. The perception is that we're a bottom-tier SEC team that chokes in big games and can't beat anybody good-- and I think that will be the perception of this season, no matter how it plays out. It is also, unfortunately, the reality, and the part of our season that could change it ended last Saturday.
 
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To me it's about the bowl. That most of our remaining scheduled games are against weaker opponents is nothing the players, coaches or fans can do anything about. It is what it is. It's actually not some kind of "going soft" thing either since "winning" isn't even going to get anybody's attention.

The key is the bowl. I'm not sure what kind of match we'd get at 7-5 but a dominant Nov and solid bowl win would mean something. Exactly what is open to a LOT of individual interpretation.
 
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It would mean easier recruiting for the next HC. A winning record and a 4-5 game win streak would be some quality smoke and mirrors for recruits. "UT has won 5 in a row" sounds alot better than "Troy was alot tougher than we thought".
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I disagree. The perception would be we hammered mediocre teams, and the best teams in conference barely squeaked by us. And then we hammered a decent team in a bowl game = we're getting there and shouldn't be categorized with mediocrity.
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that is the definition of mediocrity!!!!
 
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It would mean the Dooley defenders will go nuts and proclaim that he's "righted the ship".
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I have no perception about this. A second group of seniors is going to graduate from UT without a winning record in SEC play in one season.

If Dooley does return I will not even taste the Doolade unless we go 5-3 in SEC play or better and beat two of the big four.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Tennessee has gone 0-5 in conference play for the third time in a row. Only Vanderbilt has pulled that off before. Tennessee isn't one of the top teams in the conference. Tennessee is awful.
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How can you realistically state that Tennessee is awful? Tennessee has inconsistent quarterback play and a secondary full of non-SEC caliber players. Every unit that isn't the secondary on this team has improved over last year, some by a great margin. Tennessee is competing in the SEC in every game, except Alabama. Coming into the season everyone said they were expecting 7-5 or 8-4, what they really wanted to see was TN compete game by game. If all but 1 area has strongly progressed from last year to this year, can you say that's even mostly coaching? However, fact is moving forward in 2013 and beyond this should be a 9+ win team annually. Foundation has been rebuilt, now it's time to build on top of that.

Derek Dooley's curse is that he took over teams and situations that were beyond abysmal at the time. He rebuilds the foundation, but won't get credit for any of it. If you state that Tennessee is awful then you're either lack basic comprehension of the game of football or you want to feed your ego by saying you were right about Dooley all along. It's sad that most of our "active" fans care more about their ego than the team they supposedly are fans of.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
If we absolutely annihilated everyone in our next 4 games? Would it somewhat ease the pain of our close losses or would you just think "yay we can beat teams that aren't good"?

This is probably just the sunshine pumper coming out in me, but personally I think it would make a pretty strong statement for our team. I think it would basically make people go "ok they had nail biters with the top SEC teams (minus Bama of course), and they blew out the bottom tier teams, Tennessee is a team that deserves to be talked about with the best teams in the conference".

A huge bowl blowout would confirm this IMO.
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y'all lost to kentucky and finished dead last in the sec east last year.

it didn't stop some people from picking tennessee to win 10+ games this year
 
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ELMAGNIFICO said:
How can you realistically state that Tennessee is awful? Tennessee has inconsistent quarterback play and a secondary full of non-SEC caliber players. Every unit that isn't the secondary on this team has improved over last year, some by a great margin. Tennessee is competing in the SEC in every game, except Alabama. Coming into the season everyone said they were expecting 7-5 or 8-4, what they really wanted to see was TN compete game by game. If all but 1 area has strongly progressed from last year to this year, can you say that's even mostly coaching? However, fact is moving forward in 2013 and beyond this should be a 9+ win team annually. Foundation has been rebuilt, now it's time to build on top of that.

Derek Dooley's curse is that he took over teams and situations that were beyond abysmal at the time. He rebuilds the foundation, but won't get credit for any of it. If you state that Tennessee is awful then you're either lack basic comprehension of the game of football or you want to feed your ego by saying you were right about Dooley all along. It's sad that most of our "active" fans care more about their ego than the team they supposedly are fans of.
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Is that you Barbara? When are you gonna call back to a radio station?
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chatt-townVOL said:
If we absolutely annihilated everyone in our next 4 games? Would it somewhat ease the pain of our close losses or would you just think "yay we can beat teams that aren't good"?

This is probably just the sunshine pumper coming out in me, but personally I think it would make a pretty strong statement for our team. I think it would basically make people go "ok they had nail biters with the top SEC teams (minus Bama of course), and they blew out the bottom tier teams, Tennessee is a team that deserves to be talked about with the best teams in the conference".

A huge bowl blowout would confirm this IMO.
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We are playing 4 cupcakes :ermm: You would really be proud if they blew these 4 horrible teams out?....Really?...It would prove nothing.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It would mean the Dooley defenders will go nuts and proclaim that he's "righted the ship".
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The OP is the biggest Dooley goober gobbler out there...According to him UGA fans are hoping We fire Dooley because he is building a dynasty here! :eek:lol:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
The OP is the biggest Dooley goober gobbler out there...According to him UGA fans are hoping We fire Dooley because he is building a dynasty here! :eek:lol:
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Well, the Vols did lead UGA for a whole 49 seconds of game time this year. Imagine what we will do with another two classes of players rated lower than theirs. I see why they're scared...
 
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First&Tenn said:
Well, the Vols did lead UGA for a whole 49 seconds of game time this year. Imagine what we will do with another two classes of players rated lower than theirs. I see why they're scared...
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Sad but true.
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The reality is the last 4 gmaes are not cupcakes for us 1 Troy played msu tough and lost by 7 they are ranked higher in defense and close to us in offense, 2 mizzou they need to beat us to have a chance at a bowl 3 vandy the need win against us to get to a bowl if they drop one of next two games. 4 kentucky well they beat us last year. Blowing these 4 out not likely blowing our chances of making a bowl slightly better than 4 straight blowouts.
 
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It would say that despite losing all the close games, this team never quit on coach Dooley.

I would be proud of them, Dooley included.
 
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I think we keep forgetting that this defense is horrendous. Cannot take wins for granted with a Coach who finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Would have thought a near loss to Vandy and a subsequent loss last year unthinkable. Dooley can do this.
 
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TNDRIVER said:
Incremental improvement a little each year until they achieve the expectations fans want isn't good enough for those of that elk in today's world. They don't care if we stay the course and 3 years time back to dominating the east, Dooley has become the focal point of their frustration with the bad to mediocre teams we have had even prior to his arrival. At this point, I think the fire him now crowd want another coach so bad, they would never admit firing him was a hasty decision if he is more successful at his next stop than our next coach.
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1) It's ILK, not elk.

2) Incremental improvement? Success in this game is measured in wins and losses. 0-5 in "year zero", 0-5 in year two/one, and 0-5 this year. Record-setting futility. While some players and some aspects of the game have improved, the failure to improve in other areas plus the clear substantial regression in other areas does not add up to overall improvement, which is why we are still getting the same overall results.

3) Putting down people who do not accept this level of failure is ridiculous. Anytime your beliefs lead you to think badly of other people (not their ideas, but their character) who see things differently from you it might be time to back up and reconsider. There are legitimate reasons for people to want Dooley removed from the job. Reasons that are quantifiable and legitimate.

4) There is NO reason to believe, based on the actual evidence that we've seen so far, that in 3 years under Dooley we would be back to dominating the East. The evidence so far points overwhelmingly to the likelihood that we would just settle into the yearly routine of battling Vandy and Kentucky for #6 in the division.
 
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