What is wrong with our WRs??

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Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
 
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I think Nico often throws laser NFL passes when he's accurate on a strike and honestly our WR are D1 athletes and nothing else. The balls are often overthrown on lobs and too fast on darts. That sounds stupid, sure, but it is what it is, it takes special WR to catch some of this chit. Our routes are predictable, our WR overall are slower than competition and the ones who aren't slow all have major weaknesses, like lack of quickness vs speed and vice versa, butterfingers, average agility, theyre good blockers for the spread rush though. Sorry for the honesty in advance
 
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I think the problems with the passing offense are multiple...

-a lot of "drops" are pretty tough looking catches. Yes, some drops are right in their hands, but others are behind, in front, high fastball, with a defender on top of the player etc. The WRs just look a bit awkward sometimes trying to adjust to what Nico is throwing them. Again, yes some are truly just bad drops.

We don't throw to our WRs often. Last night, WRs not named Squirrel or Bru caught 1 pass. Squirrel is a good player, but he's almost in that TE or RB category. He's not what you think of as true deep threat. I don't feel like we put Bru or Thornton into aituations where they can best be utilized

- we're often throwing to WRs right around the LOS and asking them to run through people to get yardage. There are a lot of long, slow wait on the ball forever plays in this offense. When perfectly blocked they can be effective, but we rely on those plays way too much. Last night we averaged 5 yards per attempt passing.

-we've slowed down the offense tremendously. This allows the dbs to get set and lined up comfortably. In the Hooker/Hyatt version of this offense we made a lot of plays by simply going fast. Obviously we feel like we don't have the personnel to do this right now but we don't seem to have adjusted for it.

And of course there are other factors like the line being inconsistent, play calling that often puts us behind the sticks, etc
 
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MurphyVol said:
I think the problems with the passing offense are multiple...

-a lot of "drops" are pretty tough looking catches. Yes, some drops are right in their hands, but others are behind, in front, high fastball, with a defender on top of the player etc. The WRs just look a bit awkward sometimes trying to adjust to what Nico is throwing them. Again, yes some are truly just bad drops.

We don't throw to our WRs often. Last night, WRs not named Squirrel or Bru caught 1 pass. Squirrel is a good player, but he's almost in that TE or RB category. He's not what you think of as true deep threat. I don't feel like we put Bru or Thornton into aituations where they can best be utilized

- we're often throwing to WRs right around the LOS and asking them to run through people to get yardage. There are a lot of long, slow wait on the ball forever plays in this offense. When perfectly blocked they can be effective, but we rely on those plays way too much. Last night we averaged 5 yards per attempt passing.

-we've slowed down the offense tremendously. This allows the dbs to get set and lined up comfortably. In the Hooker/Hyatt version of this offense we made a lot of plays by simply going fast. Obviously we feel like we don't have the personnel to do this right now but we don't seem to have adjusted for it.

And of course there are other factors like the line being inconsistent, play calling that often puts us behind the sticks, etc
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Good post, Murphy.

The only thing I do not agree with is the drops and how you are stating the reasons for them. They are wide receivers. They are paid to make all those catches (feels stupid saying that at the collegiate level) and make very few of them compared to other teams. You are spot on it when you talk about the schemes they are running. A passing game averaging less than 10+ per attempt is a ****** passing game. That is on Heupel and the coaching staff.

Bottom line is receivers need to make the catches. Not all of them, but most of them. Last night they had 3 drops that occurred in critical situations. The rest of the time, its on play calling and coaching. They run zero slants......FOR WIDE RECEIVERS! That is just stupid and they are not gonna win a thing doing that. They also underutilize the tight ends, who apparently are open every game and thrown to for one series before being "disappeared" by the play calling. The passing game is 100% on the coaching staff.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I think the problems with the passing offense are multiple...

-a lot of "drops" are pretty tough looking catches. Yes, some drops are right in their hands, but others are behind, in front, high fastball, with a defender on top of the player etc. The WRs just look a bit awkward sometimes trying to adjust to what Nico is throwing them. Again, yes some are truly just bad drops.

We don't throw to our WRs often. Last night, WRs not named Squirrel or Bru caught 1 pass. Squirrel is a good player, but he's almost in that TE or RB category. He's not what you think of as true deep threat. I don't feel like we put Bru or Thornton into aituations where they can best be utilized

- we're often throwing to WRs right around the LOS and asking them to run through people to get yardage. There are a lot of long, slow wait on the ball forever plays in this offense. When perfectly blocked they can be effective, but we rely on those plays way too much. Last night we averaged 5 yards per attempt passing.

-we've slowed down the offense tremendously. This allows the dbs to get set and lined up comfortably. In the Hooker/Hyatt version of this offense we made a lot of plays by simply going fast. Obviously we feel like we don't have the personnel to do this right now but we don't seem to have adjusted for it.

And of course there are other factors like the line being inconsistent, play calling that often puts us behind the sticks, etc
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With all that being said Thornton dropped a wide open pass on the sideline. Would have gone for at least 20.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
With all that being said Thornton dropped a wide open pass on the sideline. Would have gone for at least 20.
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He sure did. I'm not sure they threw another pass to him all night. It was a bad drop but he's the only guy we have that can get separation.
And Squirrel made an amazing catch that a lot of NFL players would have dropped. This passing game is badly out of sync.

5 games without scoring a TD in an entire half is baffling. And that's considering your tailback has broken a touchdown record that's nearly a century old
 
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I saw several times last night where we had one-on-one coverage and we simply never took a shot. That tells me there is a trust issue somewhere.
 
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MurphyVol said:
He sure did. I'm not sure they threw another pass to him all night. It was a bad drop but he's the only guy we have that can get separation.
And Squirrel made an amazing catch that a lot of NFL players would have dropped. This passing game is badly out of sync.

5 games without scoring a TD in an entire half is baffling. And that's considering your tailback has broken a touchdown record that's nearly a century old
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Are you talking about the pass across the middle that Squirrel dropped. Bro he didn't catch it
 
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207 others said:
I think Nico often throws laser NFL passes when he's accurate on a strike and honestly our WR are D1 athletes and nothing else. The balls are often overthrown on lobs and too fast on darts. That sounds stupid, sure, but it is what it is, it takes special WR to catch some of this chit. Our routes are predictable, our WR overall are slower than competition and the ones who aren't slow all have major weaknesses, like lack of quickness vs speed and vice versa, butterfingers, average agility, theyre good blockers for the spread rush though. Sorry for the honesty in advance
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Now, now, 207, you're saying Nico has JoMilton-ism. 🙃
 
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I'm just shocked that Squirrel White is our go to WR. Squirrel gives his all and has the heart of a lion, a VFL.
However he's not a top shelf SEC caliber WR , but he's the best we have.

That tells me a lot.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
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Squirrel made some nice catches last night. He looked good
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
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For sure they do not get open, they do not block well, they drop balls, and some times, they line up incorrectly. Looks like it may be coaching.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Stop overthinking it. They can't get open and when they do they can't catch.
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CJH is undoubtedly a smart guy. It's hard to understand how this continues to be an issue. But any team who is repeatedly among the most penalized teams in the conference, it's bound to bite you. And last night was prime example. The difference in the way our D line lines up compared to other teams.. . It's 100% coaching. They are coached that way. I'm not saying penalties cost us 14 points, but CJH teams have notoriously been atrocious on penalties.
 
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It’s a shame Matthews hasn’t played more. I hope he doesn’t hit the portal.

Our routes are not difficult to defend. UGA has mediocre receivers but they confused TN with bunch formations. Our DBs were so confused which left receivers wide open.

I think coaches know how to defend Heup’s system. Hyatt had speed and a QB who could improvise.
 
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