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Getting past the drama and raw emotions from last night, I would like to hear some opinions from those that have a clue what they are talking about as to why we are having the problems we are having. Though I've played football at the college level and have been a Vol fan my whole life, I still am having a hard time identifying our core issues. Maybe the problem is there are too many to keep track of.
 
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One thing we need is a downhill running game. Got to have the SEC type backs for it.

Defense is lost out there not sure if it's coaching or if our players just cannot get it down.
 
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The defense was very confused not just the 2nd half but all night.

Chaney and Bray hurt us after the trun over on downs.

The whole team did not respond well to adversity.

Muschamp felt desperate enough to try that fake punt, UF does not have a superior team.

UT had the game won and would probably win 8 of 10 against this UF team.
 
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Played collegiate and professional baseball. Here's my experience (some won't like):

1. Speed of the Leader, Speed of the Team- Any coach I had that the players didn't either (a) trust or (b) respect led to long and strife-riddled seasons. Exhibits A, B, and Beginning C with Dooley.

2. Emotional Leader = Emotional Team- Emotional Leadership is dangerous leadership. Too many peaks and valleys. Look at some of the most successful programs over the past 10 years:

Bama, LSU, USC, Boise State, Oklahoma (minus big game chokes), Oregon- Common thread? A leader with a steady, CONSISTENT demeanor.

3. Business- Success breeds success. The key to a successful organization is everybody pulling the same direction. To date, we don't have a vision on Offense, our Defensive vision is in building mode, and our core philosophy is still hard to express in a few words. Icing on the cake? Dooley has never won as a HC, Period.

Lengthy, but my takes.
 
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We still don't have the 2 deep talent need in the SEC.

Getting out coached still. Florida didn't do anything other than the same bread and butter that worked against bg and atm. We gave up on the run.

Dooley is over his head. We got what we hired, a coach with a losing record and very little prior coaching experience. No surprise right. Look at Arky and John L. Smith resume. You get what you buy.
 
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obxvol said:
Getting past the drama and raw emotions from last night, I would like to hear some opinions from those that have a clue what they are talking about as to why we are having the problems we are having. Though I've played football at the college level and have been a Vol fan my whole life, I still am having a hard time identifying our core issues. Maybe the problem is there are too many to keep track of.
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the issue in one word "dooley"
 
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Transitioning to the 3-4 may be part our defensive problems. At times they look good and other times... . They seem to have difficulty holding the edge at times. Florida's first score was because of this.
 
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We have one of the worst coaches in the SEC whose teams routinely quit at halftime of every game against a decent opponent. Also, he has spent the last 3 years recruiting lesser players than the big name teams in the conference and it was on full display last night.
 
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Having not played football in college so I can only speculate. But just My opinion. Alabama,LSU,Florida,Georgia all have super speed on defense and can correct some mistakes by getting from point A to point B quick. Tennessee has shown in 3 games we do not have edge speed. We seem to be all in to stop the run up the middle and depend on our mediocre CB's to contain out side runs . I have seen 3 Games now and our defense was not lined up on several occasions yet again. They even mentioned it this morning. To much Thinking? Several Times we had guys flying into the back field but once they got there they looked like they just whiffed on making the tackle.
 
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here is what I got out of it.

1. First half we looked good, second half the team came out looking like we had won it.
- this goes on the coaching staff, did they make no halftime adjustments?

2. Our defense was playing reckless. For example, all florida had to do was fake a dive play before an end around and it would get our outside linebacker sucked so far down it wasn't funny.
- are the coaches not teaching the players to stay in your lane? Once an OLB gets sucked down that far anyone can block them and florida was easily able to get outside.

3. Did we decide running in the first half did nothing? Because in the 2nd half I feel like I could count how many times we ran the ball on one hand.
- Yo Chaney, 60 yard fade route aint that same as a simple run play.


I'm sure I could think of more. But these are the ones that stuck out to me. I feel like we came into the game prepared, and it showed in the first half, but in the 2nd half it looked like the florida had taken another week to prepare, and we forgot to
 
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1) New defensive scheme. Takes time to adjust, there is simply a learning curve.

2) No true speed in the secondary. DB 's are slow.

3) No true SEC tailback. Just very average there.

The problem is all of these issues were obvious before the season started, but the NC State game gave everyone false hope. I was so confused as to why people expected us to win this game. UF was clearly better up front.

Most expected this to be an 8-5 team. They are still on track for that.
 
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Terrible play calling was our problem. That and our coaches should have grown a set and gone for it on fourth and one; instead we punted....and the rest is history.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
The defense was very confused not just the 2nd half but all night.

Chaney and Bray hurt us after the trun over on downs.

The whole team did not respond well to adversity.

Muschamp felt desperate enough to try that fake punt, UF does not have a superior team.

UT had the game won and would probably win 8 of 10 against this UF team.
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Not sure I agree with we would beat them 8 of 10
 
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I'm a fan, but am not from Tennessee. I did not attend school there and don't have the intrinsic love for the program that many do. That said, I've LOVED the Vols since Andy Kelly was slingin it. Cobb and Webb were known to me when I was a pre-teen. I'm a failry rational, grounded 36 year old who prides myself in seeing things from both sides. I'm also typing this the morning after, once I've had time to think. I find myself to be a realist. I also receive a lot of completely unbiased opinions from my friends who live in PA and have absoultely zero ties to the program. Here is what we've come up with:

1-Bray is a poser. As much as he can sling you into a game, he can sling you out of one. He can make EVERY throw, but can't handle adversity. This isn't based on last night. It's based off of 2 years of his play and attitude. Him going pro early may just be a blessing.

2-Pro-style passing offenses aren't super successful in college. Driskel is a below average pocket passer, but he is mobile and can make things happen. We don't have that in Bray and our offensive system may not be a fit for success in college. Now we have talent which does translate to the pro game, but unless we can run the ball and play otherwordly D like Bama, then we will struggle with pocket passing.

3-We SUCK in space. We don't have those little jitterbug playmakers who just need a little bit of room to take a swing pass 80 yards. We have talent, but no home run hitters outside of our 2 WRs. They can be taken away. This is either a recruiting or a syatem issue. Either way, it's a fix the COACH is responsible for.

4-We're still not deep on defense. We still rely on Teague for god's sake. The talent level has improved, but we still aren't deep. Lack of depth=continue to tire in the second half.

5-Unrealistic expectations. Every pundit said years 1 and 2 would be a struggle, and we'd begin to see progress in year 3. We struggles in years 1 and 2 and now here we are. Nobody said we'd win the SEC in year 3. Predictions jumped from 5-7/6-6 to 8-4. NOT 11-1 or 10-2. WE ARE STILL ON COURSE. I personally feel that I saw a lot of growth since 2010. I got texts all night from Ohio State, WVU and Penn State fans saying that our D looks nasty (of course there cam in the first half).

I personally think that Dooley gets some blame, but doesn't get enough credit. Eye test alone, this team is worlds ahead of where it was 2 years ago. I don;t even think that's debatable. Our overall talent level alone is lightyears beyond where we were. Now we need to know if Dooley can coach on game day. I love the dude, but see some faults. I just believe he has done enough in recruiting, etc to see where he can take us. If he gets to the 8 wins which many expected, than I believe he is meeting the realistic expectations.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
We have one of the worst coaches in the SEC whose teams routinely quit at halftime of every game against a decent opponent. Also, he has spent the last 3 years recruiting lesser players than the big name teams in the conference and it was on full display last night.
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Recruiting is a function of success, and we haven't had much success lately while four or five other SEC teams have. That's a problem. Nobody recruits lesser players. You take them after the best players go elsewhere. We got Patterson--the best offensive player we've had in a long time.
 
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Well, there are obvious areas of opportunity all over the team. The problem last night though was Bray. It started with Tiny blowing up and went downhill from there.

Two interceptions
Dropped passes that could have made a huge difference
Several forced throws because of pressure

Tyler reached the "all hope is lost" point way too soon. There were still over ten minutes left in the 4th quarter and he was already acting mad and dejected, rather than trying to rally the troops in an attempt to score quickly and then get the ball back. When he quit, the offense quit. As a result, the had three "three and outs" in a row, leaving the defense on the field for 11 minutes in the fourth quarter.

Dooley needs to have a "Come to Jesus" talk with Bray. That boy needs to grow up.
 
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armchair said:
Recruiting is a function of success, and we haven't had much success lately while four or five other SEC teams have. That's a problem. Nobody recruits lesser players. You take them after the best players go elsewhere. We got Patterson--the best offensive player we've had in a long time.
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You know what I meant. Not necessarily TARGETING lesser players, but he has definitely been signing lesser classes than the teams we like to consider our rivals. The massive talent gulf between UF and ourselves was on full display for the nation last night.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The massive talent gulf between UF and ourselves was on full display for the nation last night.
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I'm not sure I believe that. I think a lack of rotational depth was on display, but our team looked a LOT better talentwise than it has in a while...at least for 2.5 quarters. I was actually giddy to see our front 7 getting it done.
 
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Our team is still adjusting to the 3-4 so there are going to be bruises on that side of the ball until they completely grasp the scheme.

We had many costly penalties, I have nou seen our team do like that before. Were they just too hyped up?

Those big plays all came in rediculous fashion. We were making a tackle in the backfield and then their qb would make crazy play.

I am quite displeased with our Dbs and the drops our wrs had at the end of the game.
 
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vavolunteer said:
Well, there are obvious areas of opportunity all over the team. The problem last night though was Bray. It started with Tiny blowing up and went downhill from there.

Two interceptions
Dropped passes that could have made a huge difference
Several forced throws because of pressure

Tyler reached the "all hope is lost" point way too soon. There were still over ten minutes left in the 4th quarter and he was already acting mad and dejected, rather than trying to rally the troops in an attempt to score quickly and then get the ball back. When he quit, the offense quit. As a result, the had three "three and outs" in a row, leaving the defense on the field for 11 minutes in the fourth quarter.

Dooley needs to have a "Come to Jesus" talk with Bray. That boy needs to grow up.
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This!! :zeitung_lesen: And what's Tiny's problem lately & can they fix this? :question:
 
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