What is the importance of a bowl game?

#51
#51
Vercingetorix said:
"Not a mismatch" is not the same thing as "about equal."

Texas and Iowa should be a mismatch, as is reflected in the 11-point line; in contrast, UT is favored by 4.5 over Penn State, which is about what you'd expect on a neutral field when one team is perceived to be better but not a lot better than the other. If there were the massive gap between the two teams that you think there is, that point spread would be a lot bigger.
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Explain to me, how the point spread is a good indicator of how good a teams is.

Gamblers want money equally betted on each team, and they set the point spread in order to achieve that.

Funny how you totally ignore the poll data, which the entire BCS is based on; and instead use a point spread, which is what gamblers set in order to see equal money placed on each team, to determine which team is better.
 
#52
#52
oklavol said:
Explain to me, how the point spread is a good indicator of how good a teams is.

Gamblers want money equally betted on each team, and they set the point spread in order to achieve that.

Funny how you totally ignore the poll data, which the entire BCS is based on; and instead use a point spread, which is what gamblers set in order to see equal money placed on each team, to determine which team is better.
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Don't you hate the BIASED polls though?
 
#54
#54
It is precisely because point spreads are set in order to have equal money placed on each side that they are useful as a general guideline to what most sports fans think about the relative strengths of two teams.

You are obsessed with voter polls, so you look at us at #17, count all the way out on the "others receiving votes" to #30 for Penn State, and proclaim that they're not even in the same league with us. If most college football fans thought the same thing, they would look at that 4.5-point line, think it's not enough, and bet UT heavily. In fact, the opposite happened. UT opened as a six-point favorite, but the line dropped to 4.5 because we aren't perceived as being that much better than Penn State.

I don't put much stock in the opinion polls because they don't mean that much. Georgia was in the top ten for half the year, after all. But hey, if that's what you want to fixate on, go ahead.
 
#55
#55
Well UT has never been one to cover! Plus they are notorious for playing to the level of the competition!
 
#56
#56
Many good points brought up, but for me it's that with every appearance in a bowl game it keeps the Vols name/program fresh in the minds of folks around the country. That and a good performance is a real nice step into the next season.
 
#57
#57
Vercingetorix said:
It is precisely because point spreads are set in order to have equal money placed on each side that they are useful as a general guideline to what most sports fans think about the relative strengths of two teams.

You are obsessed with voter polls, so you look at us at #17, count all the way out on the "others receiving votes" to #30 for Penn State, and proclaim that they're not even in the same league with us. If most college football fans thought the same thing, they would look at that 4.5-point line, think it's not enough, and bet UT heavily. In fact, the opposite happened. UT opened as a six-point favorite, but the line dropped to 4.5 because we aren't perceived as being that much better than Penn State.

I don't put much stock in the opinion polls because they don't mean that much. Georgia was in the top ten for half the year, after all. But hey, if that's what you want to fixate on, go ahead.
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You must consider all of college football obsessed with polls since the BCS is determined by a weighted average of polls.

I guess in your mind a weighted average of the margin of victory, a.k.a. the point spread, would be more accurate then a poll.
 
#58
#58
Actually I do consider college football stupidly obsessed with polls, and the BCS a ridiculously flawed way of selecting a "champion." If you want to join the insanity and fret about whether we finish the season ranked #12 or #17, whether we play somebody ranked #30 or #25 or whatever, then go for it.

oklavol said:
You must consider all of college football obsessed with polls since the BCS is determined by a weighted average of polls.

I guess in your mind a weighted average of the margin of victory, a.k.a. the point spread, would be more accurate then a poll.
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I eagerly await your next post so you can tell me some more about what I think.
 
#61
#61
The bowl game is important because of rankings. We all know that to have a chance at a National Championship you have to start the season at least in the top 10. A win in your bowl game impresses voters and gives you a better chance of starting the season off higher in the polls...it's sad but true. National Championships have become less about current seasons and more about program respect....nevermind, it's always been that way.
 
#62
#62
crazyguy said:
The bowl game is important because of rankings. We all know that to have a chance at a National Championship you have to start the season at least in the top 10. A win in your bowl game impresses voters and gives you a better chance of starting the season off higher in the polls...it's sad but true. National Championships have become less about current seasons and more about program respect....nevermind, it's always been that way.
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Now i buy that....i'd buy it even more if we were in the top 10 playing another top 15 opponent in our bowl, but either way...an impressive win can go along way...remember 04...the beatdown of a&m helped catapult us in to the top 3 of preseason in 05....not that it matter much obviously...but it did have a lot to do with all the talk.
 
#63
#63
I just hope that CPF explains to the team that even bowl participants are required to pay for services rendered. Seems that a few players were not down with that on a trip to Tampa a few years back.
 
#64
#64
Vercingetorix said:
Actually I do consider college football stupidly obsessed with polls, and the BCS a ridiculously flawed way of selecting a "champion." If you want to join the insanity and fret about whether we finish the season ranked #12 or #17, whether we play somebody ranked #30 or #25 or whatever, then go for it.



I eagerly await your next post so you can tell me some more about what I think.
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I eargerly await your next post explaining how the point spread a.k.a. the margin of victory, is a better indicator of the rank of a team then the AP poll. That should be hilarious.
 
#65
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Plano Vol said:
I just hope that CPF explains to the team that even bowl participants are required to pay for services rendered. Seems that a few players were not down with that on a trip to Tampa a few years back.
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Actually it was two prior trips to Atlanta and one to Dallas where they "left the building" so to speak...

we haven't played in this game in like 12 years or so...
 
#66
#66
jakez4ut said:
Actually it was two prior trips to Atlanta and one to Dallas where they "left the building" so to speak...

we haven't played in this game in like 12 years or so...
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I'm really getting old when I think of 12 years as a few.

I know it's been awhile...I think Shuler was QB
 
#67
#67
jakez4ut said:
"important" is probably the wrong word to describe non bcs bowls these days.

the BCS bowls have devalued all other bowl games. So from a national, respect, match up perspective, it garners very little if any for the program.

it is however, still noteworthy for the team to play in a bowl as a reward for a good season. it does render some recognition that you had success during the season. it does help in recruiting because you are generally playing in an area of the country you don't necessarily get to play in all the time, you are going to be on national tv and you are supposedly matched up against a team of similar quality from a different conference, wich could also help sway regional opionions of a particular school or conference.

and as already mentioned, it allows for extra practice for younger kids and allows some prep going in to spring and summer.

but is it important, as it relates to your season? no, not really, not anymore. the last time TN played in a bowl game like this that was "important" was in 96 when we played OSU in the citrus bowl. that was an important game. we won and finished 2nd in the nation that year...and set us up for 97 and in some respects 98 as well.

nowadays, it's a consolation prize at best. and you can thank the BCS for that.
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As if the Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls didn't exist before 1998.
 
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