What is the biggest obstacle in the way of hiring a Heavy Hitter.

What’s the biggest obstacle to getting a big time Coach?

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#27
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GAVol said:
The biggest obstacle to getting a heavy hitter is convincing a heavy hitter that we're actually a good career move.
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Generally, this.

For each candidate, there are specific reasons. I no longer believe there is one entity or person holding it back, at least on the UT side.

Gruden for example. Probably just does not want to coach college ball.
 
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k-town_king said:
How old are you? How long have you been a fan? Since 2007 or something? If you think that why are you a fan?

We are a top ten job period. No argument can be made against it.
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Mid 30's, been a fan all my life. Are you implying that I shouldn't be realistic about UT? Should I be a bandwagon fan? If I should only be a fan of the top 7-10 schools in the country, I'll just go be a Bama fan or something. Or UGA. Anyway, you're delusional if you think UT is a top 7-10 school. Like I said, top 7-10 in the SEC, but that's it.
 
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#VFL1983 said:
Mid 30's, been a fan all my life. Are you implying that I shouldn't be realistic about UT? Should I be a bandwagon fan? If I should only be a fan of the top 7-10 schools in the country, I'll just go be a Bama fan or something. Or UGA. Anyway, you're delusional if you think UT is a top 7-10 school. Like I said, top 7-10 in the SEC, but that's it.
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Too bad you weren't here before Mike Hamilton sold UT football down the drain by firing Philip Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin, then hiring Derek Dooley after Kiffin left in the middle of the night after one season. Neyland Stadium was packed during the 80's, 90's, and up to the late 2000's! Every home game was a sellout, even back to the days of Bill Battle and beyond!

IF Currie, the Admin, and the money guys, would shell out the $$$ to bring in a competent HC and supporting staff, VOL football would be right back in the top 7 to 10 spot in NCAA football once again. UT football has never concentrated its recruiting just in Tennessee, it has recruited all over the nation cherrypicking the best talent from all across America... including Tennessee. Right now, after the fiasco of Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch doing his best to rebuild the program from that mess, you are right... we are not where we were. However, we who are silver-haired old geezers know that with one fell swoop of the pen, men signing a contract with the right HC, our program will be right back in the top 10 of NCAA football programs. The AD, Admin, and boosters just have to have the "Want To" to make it happen. GBO.
 
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#VFL1983 said:
Mid 30's, been a fan all my life. Are you implying that I shouldn't be realistic about UT? Should I be a bandwagon fan? If I should only be a fan of the top 7-10 schools in the country, I'll just go be a Bama fan or something. Or UGA. Anyway, you're delusional if you think UT is a top 7-10 school. Like I said, top 7-10 in the SEC, but that's it.
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I am in my mid to late 30's myself. I just don't see how a Vol fan around that age doesn't think we are a top ten job. I could see if you maybe even had said top 15.

But only a top 7-10 job in the SEC? Come on now man. :no:
 
#34
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GAVol said:
One of us has apparently been in a coma for the past 10-15 years.
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1 decade doesn't make or break a program. Just because we have had a couple bad hires doesnt mean this thing g can't be turned around over night with the right guy.
 
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carpbc said:
Too bad you weren't here before Mike Hamilton sold UT football down the drain by firing Philip Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin, then hiring Derek Dooley after Kiffin left in the middle of the night after one season. Neyland Stadium was packed during the 80's, 90's, and up to the late 2000's! Every home game was a sellout, even back to the days of Bill Battle and beyond!

IF Currie, the Admin, and the money guys, would shell out the $$$ to bring in a competent HC and supporting staff, VOL football would be right back in the top 7 to 10 spot in NCAA football once again. UT football has never concentrated its recruiting just in Tennessee, it has recruited all over the nation cherrypicking the best talent from all across America... including Tennessee. Right now, after the fiasco of Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch doing his best to rebuild the program from that mess, you are right... we are not where we were. However, we who are silver-haired old geezers know that with one fell swoop of the pen, men signing a contract with the right HC, our program will be right back in the top 10 of NCAA football programs. The AD, Admin, and boosters just have to have the "Want To" to make it happen. GBO.
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I'm old enough to remember the late 80s, the end of the Majors era. You guys are delusional. If the last 30 years has been the glory days of UT football, then here are the teams who are ahead of them over the last 30 years. We're not even a top 7-10 job based on the 'glory years.'

Alabama
Florida
FSU
LSU
Miami
USC
Ohio St.
Texas
Oklahoma
Michigan
Oregon
Auburn

I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting. I hate to say it, but UT is a slightly better than average Power 5 job, no matter how you slice it. If we get rid of CBJ, we may slip even further down the pecking order.
 
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Nationdom said:
1 decade doesn't make or break a program. Just because we have had a couple bad hires doesnt mean this thing g can't be turned around over night with the right guy.
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Agree with this post right here.. Tenn should be a top 10’school with the right dynamics it can be overnight, facilities, SEC, fan base $$$ why isn’t Tennessee this?
 
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#41
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carpbc said:
Too bad you weren't here before Mike Hamilton sold UT football down the drain by firing Philip Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin, then hiring Derek Dooley after Kiffin left in the middle of the night after one season. Neyland Stadium was packed during the 80's, 90's, and up to the late 2000's! Every home game was a sellout, even back to the days of Bill Battle and beyond!

IF Currie, the Admin, and the money guys, would shell out the $$$ to bring in a competent HC and supporting staff, VOL football would be right back in the top 7 to 10 spot in NCAA football once again. UT football has never concentrated its recruiting just in Tennessee, it has recruited all over the nation cherrypicking the best talent from all across America... including Tennessee. Right now, after the fiasco of Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch doing his best to rebuild the program from that mess, you are right... we are not where we were. However, we who are silver-haired old geezers know that with one fell swoop of the pen, men signing a contract with the right HC, our program will be right back in the top 10 of NCAA football programs. The AD, Admin, and boosters just have to have the "Want To" to make it happen. GBO.
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This is the last chance UT will have to bring Gruden to the hill. It's in place to happen. Maybe he has informally accepted. Everyone or a very large % on the Gruden threads feel that J.Haslem is opposed to the hire but other major boosters and PM are steering him into accepting Gruden as our next HC. I feel as though it's already happened and he's selecting his staff. UT is working with Sexton to find CBJ a new job and don't be surprised if Butch doesn't accept a job with the Browns and PM isn't hired as GM of the Browns also.
 
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#VFL1983 said:
I was specifically referencing the last few seasons. Let's face it, the Fulmer years weren't anything special. Beat UF once or twice, managed to squeak our way into a national championship victory against FSU's 3rd string QB, then all downhill from there. CBJ has been a success in rebuilding this program to the level we're at, and I'm not sure there will be too many coaches wanting to step into a situation where the last guy got fired for rebuilding the program.
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A 3rd string QB who led his team to a victory over the #4 team in the country with the greatest coach of the era who would’ve faced us for a rematch in the BCS championship had they not been knocked off by Outzen in the last week of the regular season.

Or you could leave out the fact that we had the best RB in college football out with an injury as well.

Sorry... I just get tired of people acting like Outzen was starting his first game in the spotlight against us to downplay our championship.
 
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#VFL1983 said:
I'm old enough to remember the late 80s, the end of the Majors era. You guys are delusional. If the last 30 years has been the glory days of UT football, then here are the teams who are ahead of them over the last 30 years. We're not even a top 7-10 job based on the 'glory years.'

Alabama
Florida
FSU
LSU
Miami
USC
Ohio St.
Texas
Oklahoma
Michigan
Oregon
Auburn

I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting. I hate to say it, but UT is a slightly better than average Power 5 job, no matter how you slice it. If we get rid of CBJ, we may slip even further down the pecking order.
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Hi Young Pup, I do not think you got the spirit of my post. I was not trying to be critical of your posts, as you were of mine and of anyone who appears to disagree with anything you have to say. I was merely referring to the FACT that Neyland was packed out to sellout Saturday after Saturday from the time BEFORE the days of Bill Battle (who was the first UT coach I really remember well). Back then, UT was a program ANY coach would want to come to, and any player would want to come play for. We were competitive year after year until the last year of so of the Fulmer era. Then Mike Hamilton fired Fulmer mid-season and UT football has been pretty much a cesspool ever since. Butch Jones has pretty much cleaned up the mess Kiffin and Dooley made, but he has apparently reached the limits of his coaching abilities abilities here, and it is time for him to move on and let Currie get someone to take UT football back to the 1998 level.

No, 1998 was not dynasty level, but it was a lot higher level than what we are now, and a great coaching staff could get us there and keep us there. Why not? We have the facilities, the resources, UT is known as a great academic institution with almost any degree program anyone might want to pursue, and UT is in a great location. If Fulmer and Jones could recruit great classes to K-town, imagine what someone like Leach, Kelly, Gundy, Mullen, Frost, Campbell, Gruden, or another proven HC, could do! Oh yeah, UT football has the potential to be a top 10 program, but like I said before, we need the right HC and staff to get us there. But before that can happen, the AD, Admin, and boosters have to have the "want to" to make it happen. It is really that simple. Till then, we will remain, as YOU said, toward the bottom of the SEC. So, as you can see, I do not think I am so delusional as you might suppose... even though my hair is silver (Heh-heh). Don't worry about it son, so many years in the Army Security Agency will do it to anyone.
 
#44
#44
Hmm probably another coaching thread asking the same thing in different words?
 
#45
#45
It’s beyond asinine to suggest that our fan base is spoiled.
I am sick of reading stupid posts that say our fans are too demanding. That is so ignorant; I don’t know where to start.
For the level of consistent support Tennessee fans give their sports teams, this is the most under-served fan base in the NCAA.
What the heck are we supposed to be spoiled by? Three straight bowl games? Beating KY at home the past two years in men’s basketball?
Our fans are incredibly patient, but most people eventually have a breaking point. It’s difficult to emotionally and financially invest in something that doesn’t appear to value itself.
 
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#46
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ukvols said:
It’s beyond asinine to suggest that our fan base is spoiled.
I am sick of reading stupid posts that say our fans are too demanding. That is so ignorant; I don’t know where to start.
For the level of consistent support Tennessee fans give their sports teams, this is the most under-served fan base in the NCAA.
What the heck are we supposed to be spoiled by? Three straight bowl games? Beating KY at home the past two years in men’s basketball?
Our fans are incredibly patient, but most people eventually have a breaking point. It’s difficult to emotionally and financially invest in something that doesn’t appear to value itself.
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I fully agree with you but I included it knowing there is a certain segment that actually believes that and would be more than happy with 7-8 wins per year.
 
#48
#48
I would have added another category. TIMING.

Not a good year to be looking for a coach. Basic supply and demand. Quite a few good Power 5 jobs should be available by seasons end with very few top tier coaches looking to move on. Great time to be an agent.
 
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#VFL1983 said:
I'm old enough to remember the late 80s, the end of the Majors era. You guys are delusional. If the last 30 years has been the glory days of UT football, then here are the teams who are ahead of them over the last 30 years. We're not even a top 7-10 job based on the 'glory years.'

Alabama
Florida
FSU
LSU
Miami
USC
Ohio St.
Texas
Oklahoma
Michigan
Oregon
Auburn

I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting. I hate to say it, but UT is a slightly better than average Power 5 job, no matter how you slice it. If we get rid of CBJ, we may slip even further down the pecking order.
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I hate to say it, but I was absolutely correct with this. UT is no longer even a better than average Power 5 job. We've been turned down by Duke, Purdue, NC State, and OK State coaches, so we can add them to the list. Next step is to offer the job to Derek Mason so he can turn it down, and UT will officially be the worst job in the SEC.
 
#50
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I read the title as "Heavy Hitler". I'm thinking to myself don't give Currie any ideas... Nothing would surprise me as the next coach. Not even a 400lb Hitler.
 
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