What is the "Biggest Name" School Without a Heisman Winner?

#76
#76
VOLnMiami said:
We have had 3 legit candidates to win it and two of them got screwed...I still can't figure out how you can give that trophy to Paul Horning on a 3-8 ND team over Majors...I will not comment on the Woodson case....Makes me ill to think about.
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I agree. I'm still pissed about the Woodson deal. The only thing that I can think that happen was that people just got tired of all the exposure.
 
#77
#77
utvolpj said:
I'm amazed that you could tell who was better at the age of 7yo. Calling a db "clutch" is ridiculous
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I'm amazed at how much you can underestimate. They made VCR's then that are able to record the games, and yes I have seen them. And Woodson wasn't just a DB...
 
#78
#78
Charles Woodson was the beneficiary of one of the greatest propaganda programs in the history of sports. Calling him one of the greatest players of all time is ludicrous. It means your weak little mind bought into the hype. And calling a DB clutch? Seriously? How many times does he touch a ball to make him clutch?
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IamMikeHamilton said:
Considering I'm a student at UT, and I'm a huge fan of the Vols. I don't think I'm a homer. I cheered for Manning just like the rest of you and if Manning won the Heisman it would not have bothered me one way or the other. But Woodson was the better player. He won it because of the specific plays he made. The INT vs. Michigan State and his impact on the entire OSU game that kept UM undefeated.



Please show me a source where those cats said that.

Champ Bailey's team also wasn't undefeated and was embarassed by our Vols and Florida that year. The way you win and the the way the rest of your team performs has a huge impact on Heisman voters.

And the Heisman isn't about stats. If it was, then Texas Tech would be producing Heisman QBs left and right, so please end the whole "so and so had the same stats as Woodson" arguement, so therefore so and so should have won it.

Also to come on here and blast me, calling me a f****** idiot shows your class. Forgive me for voicing my opinion on the subject. Grow up.
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So you are saying winning the SEC isn't clutch and isn't good enough to win the Heisman?

Tim Tebow needs to give his back.
 
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Godfatha said:
Charles Woodson was the beneficiary of one of the greatest propaganda programs in the history of sports. Calling him one of the greatest players of all time is ludicrous. It means your weak little mind bought into the hype. And calling a DB clutch? Seriously? How many times does he touch a ball to make him clutch?
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Read my posts before you post next time. He was a lot more than just a DB.

JZVOL said:
Haha. How does dickens say it? BOOM, roasted.
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If you want to bring in the age factor, how are the rest of you able to argue the Hornung-Majors controversy. I have seen tapes of Woodson playing.
 
#82
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IamMikeHamilton said:
Woodson deserved the award more than Manning. He did everything, offense, defense, and special teams. None of you ever saw Woodson play during his days at Michigan, he was hands down a better player than Manning. Take a look at the OSU-Michigan game from 97 if you get the chance.

It makes me sick to see all these people still bitter over the situation. Get over it.
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IamMikeHamilton said:
If you want to bring in the age factor, how are the rest of you able to argue the Hornung-Majors controversy. I have seen tapes of Woodson playing.
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You were the one who said none of us had ever seen him play.
 
#83
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IamMikeHamilton said:
Read my posts before you post next time. He was a lot more than just a DB.



If you want to bring in the age factor, how are the rest of you able to argue the Hornung-Majors controversy. I have seen tapes of Woodson playing.
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Like what? A WR? PR? What were his stats at those positions? You've already been presented with evidence of much less hyped players who contributed more at those positions.
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Godfatha said:
Like what? A WR? PR? What were his stats at those positions? You've already been presented with evidence of much less hyped players who contributed more at those positions.
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Stats don't mean everything when it comes to the Heisman. Don't be so blind.

But for the record.

Rushing
5 for 21 1 TD

Recieving
12 for 238 2TD

Punt Returns
36 for 301 1 TD (against OSU)

Defense
47 tackles, 5 for loss, 1 sack, 8 INT
 
#85
#85
The two most tradition rich programs to have never had a heisman winner has to be both BAMA and UT.
 
#87
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JZVOL said:
So you are saying winning the SEC isn't clutch and isn't good enough to win the Heisman?

Tim Tebow needs to give his back.
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IamMikeHamilton said:
Stats don't mean everything when it comes to the Heisman. Don't be so blind.

But for the record.

Rushing
5 for 21 1 TD

Recieving
12 for 238 2TD

Punt Returns
36 for 301 1 TD (against OSU)

Defense
47 tackles, 5 for loss, 1 sack, 8 INT
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So if it is more about your team, how did Tebow win it on a 9-4 team that didn't win their own division?
 
#89
#89
Oh, 3 offensive TDs and one PR TD. But then, stats don't mean everything. It was his aura, his machismo, his mystique that earned him the Heisman, or the fact that he single-handedly took away all 120 yards of the football field. Give me a break.
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#90
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JZVOL said:
So if it is more about your team, how did Tebow win it on a 9-4 team that didn't win their own division?
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Never agreed with that one, although Tebow should have won it this year instead of 2 years ago.

I guess the voters didn't pay attention to everything else, because Tebow was easily the best player in college football that year and it wasn't that close.
 
#91
#91
Godfatha said:
Oh, 3 offensive TDs and one PR TD. But then, stats don't mean everything. It was his aura, his machismo, his mystique that earned him the Heisman, or the fact that he single-handedly took away all 120 yards of the football field. Give me a break.
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Um yeah, that's pretty accurate. Do a Fulmer and go back and take a look at the film.
 
#92
#92
No one is saying Woodson was a lousy player. To say he was one of the all-time greats is pathetic, and you just don't know how to evaluate greatness objectively. You have bitten the same hook the rest of the media did.

He had one great college game...that's it. Please name to me another game he dictated in his entire career!! I have a bunch of those I can list for Manning, Tebow, R Bush...

He was a good player, not all-time great. No aplogies, I call them like I see them.
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#93
#93
The Heisman award is a glamour award. It takes more than being the best player on the football field to win the Heisman. Multiple factors go into the voting process. What school, coach, and state you play in do matter. The Heisman imo is the biggest overrated and overblown award in all of sports. It doesn't translate into being a great NFL player just because you win the Heisman.:whistling:
 
#94
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IamMikeHamilton said:
Never agreed with that one, although Tebow should have won it this year instead of 2 years ago.

I guess the voters didn't pay attention to everything else, because Tebow was easily the best player in college football that year and it wasn't that close.
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So you are saying it's not what your team does, not about stats, but a few specific plays?
 
#95
#95
IamMikeHamilton said:
Um yeah, that's pretty accurate. Do a Fulmer and go back and take a look at the film.
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Watch his 4 TDs? That won't take long.

Hell, Tennessee has had better shutdown corners than Woodson and more explosive ones...you're too young to remember Terry McDaniel or Terry Fair.
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#96
#96
I agree with the glamour award assessment. It's maybe a step above winning an ESPY. Both are totally worthless.
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#98
#98
I would love to see a player from UT win the Heisman. I would much rather Tennessee win a National Championship before a player wins the Heisman. I think anyone who calls themselves a UT fan would agree with me.:rock:
 
#99
#99
I totally agree, I would much rather have a season like Texas in '05, where they had the actual best playern won the national championship, and beat the thugs from L.A.

That is infinitely better than having 2 heisman winners on your team.
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#100
#100
PennVol said:
I totally agree, I would much rather have a season like Texas in '05, where they had the actual best playern won the national championship, and beat the thugs from L.A.

That is infinitely better than having 2 heisman winners on your team.
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Really?
 
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