What is going on with the Big Beautiful Bill?

What's going on with the Big Beautiful Bill?

  • Trump is knowingly lying about Medicaid cuts

    Votes: 10 55.6%
  • Trump is being misled by his staff

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tillis is lying

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
Massive Medicaid cuts, hospitals will make less bc they depend on Medicaid reimbursements for low income patients, people are still going to get sick so unpaid medical debt will skyrocket since they’ll be showing up uninsured. The bill extends tax cuts that benefit billionaires not the working class. The bill includes provisions that expand breaks on capital gains taxes which basically exclusively benefit the 1%. Typically these types of cuts increase corporate buybacks and stockholder profits which once again, only benefit the 1%.

From what’s I’ve seen it isn’t cuts but eliminating fraud and making able bodied people make an effort. Good for the tax cuts. Success should be rewarded, the government shouldn’t be able to steal most of every dollar you make, especially when taxing people to death doesn’t improve anything. Look. On further than Cali and NYC.
 
Nope. You guys own this. You voted for him in the primary, and you voted for him in the general election.

Everything that he does to this country, is on you and your fellow MAGAs who voted for him.
Oh, I think the policies have been great for the country. I just wish we could have a unifying, upright guy in office.
 
From what’s I’ve seen it isn’t cuts but eliminating fraud and making able bodied people make an effort. Good for the tax cuts. Success should be rewarded, the government shouldn’t be able to steal most of every dollar you make, especially when taxing people to death doesn’t improve anything. Look. On further than Cali and NYC.
Actually, the bill does include work requirements and fraud prevention measures, but those are just a small part of it. The Congressional Budget Office and independent analyses say that the majority of the $1 trillion in cuts come from slashing actual Medicaid funding, not just fraud. Millions of low-income Americans including elderly, disabled, and working families rely on this. Fraud exists, but it’s a tiny percentage of Medicaid spending. You don’t cut $1 trillion by chasing just fraud you do it by taking an axe to the budget.
No one’s saying we should punish success. But when the richest 1% get tax breaks worth tens or hundreds of thousands, and most Americans get $500 or less, that’s not rewarding success, it’s rigging the system.
If tax cuts for the rich were the answer, the 2017 cuts would’ve lifted everyone but they didn’t. Wages barely moved, the deficit exploded, and most of the wealth went to the top. So maybe it’s not about “punishing success,” but making sure the system isn’t rigged for just the successful.
 
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You guys voting for Trump in the 2016 primary, the 2016 general election, and again in the 2024 primary and general election is "what gave us Trump".

That dead albatross is yours to wear for all time.
Lulz. I didn’t vote for him in 2016 and didn’t vote for him last year.

Next.
 
Massive Medicaid cuts,
8.7 T (current Medicaid budget over 10 years)
1 T (in reductions over decade). 11.5% cut. Is that massive?
hospitals will make less
medicaid accounted for 283B of 1.5T in spending for hospitals. 283B minus 11.5% = 250.45B. A 32.55B reduction. 32.24B divided by 1.5T is a 2.17% reduction in spending.
bc they depend on Medicaid reimbursements for low income patients, people are still going to get sick so unpaid medical debt will skyrocket since they’ll be showing up uninsured. The bill extends tax cuts that benefit billionaires not the working class.
No tax on tips up to 25k
Overtime pay tax breaks (25k) for income below 160k
SALT phases out over 500k in income.
Provisions to increase child tax credits.
The bill includes provisions that expand breaks on capital gains taxes which basically exclusively benefit the 1%
I searched for cap gains changes related to the bill. I couldn't find anything saying the rates had changed.
Furthermore, stocks, mutual funds, real property, small businesses are not exclusive to the 1%. 1% threshold is income close to 800k annually or almost 14M in net worth.
. Typically these types of cuts increase corporate buybacks and stockholder profits which once again, only benefit the 1%.
Almost ⅔ Americans own stock.
 
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Waiting for any lefty here to condone Newsom and Cali for cutting their free healthcare....I mean he is eliminating healthcare for illegals to get healthcare...where the doom and gloom and the 'millions" of people are gonna die
 
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Waiting for any lefty here to condone Newsom and Cali for cutting their free healthcare....I mean he is eliminating healthcare for illegals to get healthcare...where the doom and gloom and the 'millions" of people are gonna die
States will now have more freedom in caring for their residents involving healthcare with less red tape from Washington.
 
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You guys voting for Trump in the 2016 primary, the 2016 general election, and again in the 2024 primary and general election is "what gave us Trump".

That dead albatross is yours to wear for all time.
It's a big beautiful Albatross. The biggest and most beautiful ever.
 
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You guys voted for him, you're the reason he's in office.
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Is this all this 💩 head knows to say about anything? He lies more than Jamie Raskin Schumer Schiff all in one person everyday 24/7 when he's in front of a TV camera.
 
All they have left is lies all made up by their failed party. Illegals should not be on Medicaid but lunatic Democrats have no brain power to understand that illegals don't belong here.
Illegals should not be getting what Americans have paid for themselves over the years.
The Democrats are only after the illegal immigrants votes to stay in power nothing more.
 
8.7 T (current Medicaid budget over 10 years)
1 T (in reductions over decade). 11.5% cut. Is that massive?

medicaid accounted for 283B of 1.5T in spending for hospitals. 283B minus 11.5% = 250.45B. A 32.55B reduction. 32.24B divided by 1.5T is a 2.17% reduction in spending.

No tax on tips up to 25k
Overtime pay tax breaks (25k) for income below 160k
SALT phases out over 500k in income.
Provisions to increase child tax credits.

I searched for cap gains changes related to the bill. I couldn't find anything saying the rates had changed.
Furthermore, stocks, mutual funds, real property, small businesses are not exclusive to the 1%. 1% threshold is income close to 800k annually or almost 14M in net worth.

Almost ⅔ Americans own stock.
On paper, 11.5% over a decade might not sound massive, but in healthcare where margins are tight and the needs keep growing it is. Medicaid isn’t a static program. It grows because more people need it, costs of care rise, and the population ages. So even a 10–12% cut means millions lose coverage or services get slashed. A 2.17% cut across the total might look small from a bird’s eye view, but it’s not evenly spread. That $33B gets pulled from places where Medicaid is a primary source of funding, like children’s hospitals, nursing homes, rural ERs. For them, it’s not 2%, it’s often 10% or more of their actual operating budget. Even with the tax breaks you mentioned the bill still overwhelmingly favors the rich and the top 20%. To your last point, It’s true a majority of Americans technically own some stock through retirement accounts or mutual funds, but the amount they own varies drastically. The top 10% of households own about 90% of all stocks by value, while the bottom 50% own almost none, So when companies do stock buybacks or dividends, most of the gains go to wealthy investors with large portfolios not the average worker with a small retirement account. Plus, even for those who do own stock, the benefits are indirect and often take years to accumulate, while cuts to Medicaid and social programs have immediate effects on daily life for millions of people.
 
All they have left is lies all made up by their failed party. Illegals should not be on Medicaid but lunatic Democrats have no brain power to understand that illegals don't belong here.
Illegals should not be getting what Americans have paid for themselves over the years.
The Democrats are only after the illegal immigrants votes to stay in power nothing more.

It's like turning on the radio and only ever hearing Free Bird
 
On paper, 11.5% over a decade might not sound massive, but in healthcare where margins are tight and the needs keep growing it is. Medicaid isn’t a static program. It grows because more people need it, costs of care rise, and the population ages. So even a 10–12% cut means millions lose coverage or services get slashed. A 2.17% cut across the total might look small from a bird’s eye view, but it’s not evenly spread. That $33B gets pulled from places where Medicaid is a primary source of funding, like children’s hospitals, nursing homes, rural ERs. For them, it’s not 2%, it’s often 10% or more of their actual operating budget. Even with the tax breaks you mentioned the bill still overwhelmingly favors the rich and the top 20%. To your last point, It’s true a majority of Americans technically own some stock through retirement accounts or mutual funds, but the amount they own varies drastically. The top 10% of households own about 90% of all stocks by value, while the bottom 50% own almost none, So when companies do stock buybacks or dividends, most of the gains go to wealthy investors with large portfolios not the average worker with a small retirement account. Plus, even for those who do own stock, the benefits are indirect and often take years to accumulate, while cuts to Medicaid and social programs have immediate effects on daily life for millions of people.
Wait, I though Soetoro fixed all the problems.
 
Even with the tax breaks you mentioned the bill still overwhelmingly favors the rich and the top 20%. To your last point, It’s true a majority of Americans technically own some stock through retirement accounts or mutual funds, but the amount they own varies drastically. The top 10% of households own about 90% of all stocks by value, while the bottom 50% own almost none, So when companies do stock buybacks or dividends, most of the gains go to wealthy investors with large portfolios not the average worker with a small retirement account. Plus, even for those who do own stock, the benefits are indirect and often take years to accumulate, while cuts to Medicaid and social programs have immediate effects on daily life for millions of people.
How so? There are 4 provisions which target the "working people". No change in capital gains. The tax rates are currently:
10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%
The rates in the obbb are:
10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35%, and 37%.

Is it SALT or TJCA where the rich are favored???
 
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How so? There are 4 provisions which target the "working people". No change in capital gains. The tax rates are currently:
10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%
The rates in the obbb are:
10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35%, and 37%.

Is it SALT or TJCA where the rich are favored???
You’re right that the marginal tax rates haven’t changed. But rates alone don’t tell the whole story. What matters more is how the actual tax code functions through deductions, loopholes, and where income comes from. 1, They make most of their money from capital gains, dividends, and pass-through income all of which are taxed at lower rates than regular wages and weren’t touched by the bill. 2, The 2017 TCJA cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%, which mainly helps high earners and shareholders. The richest 10% own over 90% of U.S. stocks. And 3, While the SALT cap limited deductions for some rich folks in blue states, the overall structure of TCJA and this new bill keeping parts of it still heavily benefits the top 20%, especially the 1%. The top 1% got about 23% of the total tax cut. The bottom 60% got about 14% combined. So yes, working people got something. But the wealthy got way more, both in raw dollars and long-term gains. That’s the imbalance I am talking about.
 
Actually, the bill does include work requirements and fraud prevention measures, but those are just a small part of it. The Congressional Budget Office and independent analyses say that the majority of the $1 trillion in cuts come from slashing actual Medicaid funding, not just fraud. Millions of low-income Americans including elderly, disabled, and working families rely on this. Fraud exists, but it’s a tiny percentage of Medicaid spending. You don’t cut $1 trillion by chasing just fraud you do it by taking an axe to the budget.
No one’s saying we should punish success. But when the richest 1% get tax breaks worth tens or hundreds of thousands, and most Americans get $500 or less, that’s not rewarding success, it’s rigging the system.
If tax cuts for the rich were the answer, the 2017 cuts would’ve lifted everyone but they didn’t. Wages barely moved, the deficit exploded, and most of the wealth went to the top. So maybe it’s not about “punishing success,” but making sure the system isn’t rigged for just the successful.


Careful, the Republicans say that the CBO is always wrong in its scoring...

... except when they cite the CBO, repeatedly, each one of them, when they like the scoring.
 

The 2000$ is a maximum not a guarantee. Most families won’t see that. Everyone technically got a cut but the rich got the biggest slice by far. Saying every family benefits while ignoring how much they benefit compared to people who are insanely wealthy already is misleading
 
You’re right that the marginal tax rates haven’t changed. But rates alone don’t tell the whole story. What matters more is how the actual tax code functions through deductions, loopholes, and where income comes from. 1, They make most of their money from capital gains, dividends, and pass-through income all of which are taxed at lower rates than regular wages and weren’t touched by the bill. 2, The 2017 TCJA cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%, which mainly helps high earners and shareholders. The richest 10% own over 90% of U.S. stocks. And 3, While the SALT cap limited deductions for some rich folks in blue states, the overall structure of TCJA and this new bill keeping parts of it still heavily benefits the top 20%, especially the 1%. The top 1% got about 23% of the total tax cut. The bottom 60% got about 14% combined. So yes, working people got something. But the wealthy got way more, both in raw dollars and long-term gains. That’s the imbalance I am talking about.
These are things that the OBBB does or things that existed before that the OBBB doesn't change?
 
These are things that the OBBB does or things that existed before that the OBBB doesn't change?
Both. Some of the provisions I mentioned are from the 2017 TCJA and stay in place under the OBBB, and some are new or extended. But the key issue isn’t whether the OBBB adds new tax breaks for the rich it’s that it extends and preserves a structure that already favors them.
So even if the top tax brackets stay the same, the bill keeps in place things like, The 21% corporate tax rate (down from 35%) Lower tax rates on pass through income and capital gains
No changes to how the ultra wealthy avoid taxes through trusts, real estate loopholes, or carried interest. And to top things off, it cuts funding to programs that disproportionately help low and middle income people, like Medicaid. So the overall effect is still tilted heavily toward the top. You can’t just look at “what’s changed” only, you have to look at what’s protected and who benefits from that. I’m not a dem either, I don’t think any politicians truthfully care about us.
 
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