What is going on with the Big Beautiful Bill?

[hog88]

That sounds reasonable in theory, start with what people can afford to pay and build a budget from there. But in reality, we already know what our country requires: healthcare for seniors, retirement security, infrastructure, national defense, education, and more. These aren’t luxuries, they’re foundational commitments we’ve made to tens of millions of Americans, especially through Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Sure, we could eliminate those programs and slash taxes even further. Yes, 40% of retirees would likely fall into poverty overnight, life expectancy would drop, and millions would lose healthcare, but hey, some ideological purists might sleep better. Of course, that’s not a serious or sustainable path.

The better question is: What kind of country do we want to be, and how do we fairly pay for that vision?

I would like a country where the vast majority of citizens do not rely on government (taxpayer) support to survive. That's never going to happen as long as big brother continues to give handouts.

 

[Persian Vol]

Those other countries enjoy sponging off our defense spending.

Yes, wealthier allies should invest more in their own defense, but U.S. overspending doesn’t mean we should ignore our domestic gaps

 

[CobbVol]

True, many developed countries have high taxes like VATs and income taxes, but the tradeoff is they get universal healthcare, free or low-cost college, paid parental leave, subsidized childcare, and stronger social safety nets. In the U.S., we pay similar or higher out-of-pocket costs for those same needs, just privately, with fewer protections and worse outcomes.

And paid for defense and security provided by the USA.

 

[Orangeburst]

And paid for defense and security provided by the USA.

Europe is gonna try and have their cake and eat it to..It should be some **** show.

 

[C-south]

Fraud should absolutely be addressed, but it’s a small fraction of total spending. We shouldn’t punish the many struggling just to catch the few abusing the system.

Tens of billions is a fraction but it isn’t a small one. Add in the fraud of all the other welfare programs and it’s a pretty substantial amount.

 

[Orangeburst]

this goob is still yapping his gums?

 

[Persian Vol]

I would like a country where the vast majority of citizens do not rely on government (taxpayer) support to survive. That's never going to happen as long as big brother continues to give handouts.

Simply curious, if it was up to you, would you cut all of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid?

 

[McDad]

That sounds reasonable in theory, start with what people can afford to pay and build a budget from there. But in reality, we already know what our country requires: healthcare for seniors, retirement security, infrastructure, national defense, education, and more. These aren’t luxuries, they’re foundational commitments we’ve made to tens of millions of Americans, especially through Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Sure, we could eliminate those programs and slash taxes even further. Yes, 40% of retirees would likely fall into poverty overnight, life expectancy would drop, and millions would lose healthcare, but hey, some ideological purists might sleep better. Of course, that’s not a serious or sustainable path.

The better question is: What kind of country do we want to be, and how do we fairly pay for that vision?

Yes! Whether we agree on the best starting point or not, I agree the concept on which we approach funding is broken. If you agree, then we are faced with a dilemma. We either, a) continue in vain to find solutions in a system built on a broken concept (therefore the system is broken and incapable of a solution). Or b) look for a healthy concept and build healthy systems from the healthy concept.

There are a lot of concepts which are worth exploring.

 

[McDad]

Simply curious, if it was up to you, would you cut all of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid?

His 1st budget item to fund is razing Lincoln's historical home, the Lincoln monument and destruction of the Lincoln town car (just to be safe).

 

[TheDeeble]

Its like a 500 pound person setting 490 as a goal weight....

Actually it's like a 500 lb person that's gained 20lbs per year for the past several years setting a goal of only gaining 15 lbs this year.

We're still deficit spending.

 

[Orangeburst]

His 1st budget item to fund is razing Lincoln's historical home, the Lincoln monument and destruction of the Lincoln town car (just to be safe).

I had a job interview one time to sell Lincoln..I asked if it was Lincoln welders, and he said Lincoln lubricators..somehow Lincoln logs was thrown in and we laffed..

Hog wooda melted..lol

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

expecting to get to goal in one budget may he the issue. If you’re 500, 490 is a reasonable goal for 2-4 weeks

You carrying the water for this monstrosity of a bill I see....

 

[McDad]

I had a job interview one time to sell Lincoln..I asked if it was Lincoln welders, and he said Lincoln lubricators..somehow Lincoln logs was thrown in and we laffed..

Hog wooda melted..lol

I bet he calls his dumps "Lincoln Logs".

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Democrat Obama wannabe (Jeffries) is on the floor for hours now holding up the vote.
He's trying his best to be like his little brother Cory Booker & talk for hours about nothing.

 

[Vol8188]

True, many developed countries have high taxes like VATs and income taxes, but the tradeoff is they get universal healthcare, free or low-cost college, paid parental leave, subsidized childcare, and stronger social safety nets. In the U.S., we pay similar or higher out-of-pocket costs for those same needs, just privately, with fewer protections and worse outcomes.

The poor here get all that without higher taxes.

Can you specifics where the worse outcomes are?

 

[Vol8188]

You carrying the water for this monstrosity of a bill I see....

That’s a retarded response.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That’s a retarded response.

Matches this bill and our spending and our love for spending on groups that have no clue where the $$$ is going...

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Democrat Obama wannabe (Jeffries) is on the floor for hours now holding up the vote.
He's trying his best to be like his little brother Cory Booker & talk for hours about nothing.

What makes Jeffries a wannabe Obama?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What makes Jeffries a wannabe Obama?

All non white dudes in his mind are wannabe Obamas...

 

[DinkinFlicka]

All non white dudes in his mind are wannabe Obamas...

He even threw Cory Booker in there. Lol.

 

[Persian Vol]

Yes! Whether we agree on the best starting point or not, I agree the concept on which we approach funding is broken. If you agree, then we are faced with a dilemma. We either, a) continue in vain to find solutions in a system built on a broken concept (therefore the system is broken and incapable of a solution). Or b) look for a healthy concept and build healthy systems from the healthy concept.

There are a lot of concepts which are worth exploring.

What in particular?

 

[hog88]

Simply curious, if it was up to you, would you cut all of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid?

No. There are some truly needy people who are dependent upon aid through no fault of their own and we should take care of them.

 

[Persian Vol]

The poor here get all that without higher taxes.

Can you specifics where the worse outcomes are?

The U.S. spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country, yet ranks worse in infant mortality, life expectancy, and preventable deaths compared to other developed nations.

Yes, Medicaid exists, but it’s means-tested, varies wildly by state, and doesn’t guarantee consistent access to care. And our “free college” is mostly limited to community colleges, with public universities still saddling students with student debt. We’re the only developed country without federally mandated parental paid leave.

So yes, we pay more, get less, and have worse outcomes across the board compared to many European countries.

 

[Persian Vol]

No. There are some truly needy people who are dependent upon aid through no fault of their own and we should take care of them.

How would you restructure it?

 

[Vol8188]

The U.S. spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country, yet ranks worse in infant mortality, life expectancy, and preventable deaths compared to other developed nations.

Yes, Medicaid exists, but it’s means-tested, varies wildly by state, and doesn’t guarantee consistent access to care. And our “free college” is mostly limited to community colleges, with public universities still saddling students with student debt. We’re the only developed country without federally mandated parental paid leave.

So yes, we pay more, get less, and have worse outcomes across the board compared to many European countries.

That’s not really accurate. You’re taking non healthcare related issues and falsely pretending they’re healthcare issues.

We actually have the best life expectancy if you remove non health related issues such as car crashes and gun deaths. Those same issues are why we rank so high in preventable deaths. Infant mortality is the same story. Largely an issue of substance abuse

Neither gun violence in America nor car crashes are because we lack universal healthcare. It’s an insanely disingenuous argument.

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