What is Butch Jones "potential"?

[BeecherVol]

Yes. I get it. The statistics Booger picked on SECN were only for the season to date. I would be curious to see a much broader data set. We are not the only team to give up a two score lead. Nevertheless that number went viral and fueled a lot of the fire here.. The media is all over the map. Ole Miss goes from unranked to 3. Mizzou came in ranked 25 at 3-0 this weekend despite poor play. The talking heads coronated Grayson Lambert after SC when he was shaky against Vandy. It is a long season that will sort itself out.

It will. Right now the recent trends (this year) if those are the ones we want to look at are pretty disturbing.

Its not fun, but you can't hide behind it forever.

 

[BeecherVol]

Gotcha. Sorry I missed it.

I was asking if DD4ME watches the titans because of the improvement in QB play and the effect on the offensive efficiency. Locker looked to be every bit as good as Mariota. But Mariota has the extra something g which makes other players around him better. Dobbs is good, heart of a lion, gavus his all on Saturday. But he may be a Locker and we may need a Mariota

Hes not an elite QB and probably never will be due to his lack of ability in readind Ds and throwing the ball. We got all we could get out of him Saturday.

 

[CountVolcula]

I was wondering what other fanbases had to say about CBJ, so I found this thread on a Bearcat board from when he was hired here.
UT fan needing thoughts/opinions about our new coach, Butch Jones [Archive] - BearcatTalk.com
Some quick comments:

"IMO, Butch will win the games UT are supposed/favored to win and he will lose the game UT are supposed to lose. Simple as that. That's what he did in a very mediocre Big East league and I don't see that changing. With that being said, it doesn't look good for UT because there are so many other power house teams. Enjoy listening to his corny sayings and weak play calling. I don't think he will succeed in the SEC and he will be gone in a few years. I am not bitter towards Butch in anyway but I have said since the rumors began he hasn't proved himself yet to be an SEC coach. The numbers don't lie."

"Moral of the story: Butch Jones will build a very consistent program, he recruits pretty well and says a lot of corny slogans. You probably won't lose too many games you shouldn't but you probably won't win any big ones either. I forsee a lot of 7-5, 6-6 and 8-4 seasons for y'all. If you are looking for in game adjustments, look for a different coach."

"Overall, Tennessee probably could have done better, but you obviously needed a coach badly this season and it's not a bad hire. Many UC fans think he will not last longer than 3 years at UT, but that could just be sour grapes. He may be successful, but I honestly don't see him creating a national title team every year as UT expects. I think Tennessee hired him to be the next Brian Kelly and the consensus in Cincinnati is he isn't. I wish him the best and think he can at the least create a contender. Hopefully this helps; good luck to you."

"I think Butch is a great players coach. The players and organization love him. However, the fact that we haven't taken the conference "championship" the last few years makes me wonder what he can do in the SEC. If he can't get it done in the Big East..what's going to happen against Saban, Miles and Co."

Spot on

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

We are still a year or two away from reaching Butch Jones "maximum potential" in regards to potential foreseeable talent. I truly do think with more elite classes filled with elite players, and a veteran offensive line and quality depth, that we will eventually be a perennial top 15 team and "contend" for an SEC or National championship.

But it worries me that Butch has allowed us to lose these close games so very often. There will be a day when we are looking at an 10-2 or 11-1 season, and we will be matched up against the Urban Meyer's and Nick Saban's of the world with just as much talent as us. I just don't feel confident that we can defeat a top caliber program in a crucial championship game when/if the time comes with Butch Jones.

The most frustrating and depressing realization is.....

If we just made a few more plays in the OU/UF games,
we would be a top 15 team instead of 42 and on the bottom of the list with "other receiving votes". He has two legitimate chances to capitalize on big opportunities this season with games against UGA and Alabama. It's still early in the season, and there is still chance for redemption with those two still on our schedule. We better damn pull off an upset in one of those games, otherwise there was nothing truly accomplished this season other than "hopefully" beating up a poor SEC east and an injured riddled Arkansas.

Top 5 classes will dry up quickly if 7-8 wins is the norm. Show me a program with that level of "success" that consistently pulls top 5, hell even top 10 classes.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Yes. I get it. The statistics Booger picked on SECN were only for the season to date. I would be curious to see a much broader data set. We are not the only team to give up a two score lead. Nevertheless that number went viral and fueled a lot of the fire here.. The media is all over the map. Ole Miss goes from unranked to 3. Mizzou came in ranked 25 at 3-0 this weekend despite poor play. The talking heads coronated Grayson Lambert after SC when he was shaky against Vandy. It is a long season that will sort itself out.

Ole Miss wasn't unranked, good god. They were 15th prior to the Bama game. Do you even college football brah?

 

[deaconkane]

If Dobbs was a downfield passing threat it would make him a heisman candidate and Butch could hit 10 wins just from having a QB of that skill. Dobbs is not of course but this hypothetical QB could win a NC behind another coach. So assume 2 games underperforming.

Take any qb in college football and he can't throw with this offense as it is. We have a worse hypothetical in our offensive scheme. It's actually more like a fairy tale. People dream about it, want to believe in it, but In the end it's not a reality.

 

[UCVols]

I was wondering what other fanbases had to say about CBJ, so I found this thread on a Bearcat board from when he was hired here.
UT fan needing thoughts/opinions about our new coach, Butch Jones [Archive] - BearcatTalk.com
Some quick comments:

"IMO, Butch will win the games UT are supposed/favored to win and he will lose the game UT are supposed to lose. Simple as that. That's what he did in a very mediocre Big East league and I don't see that changing. With that being said, it doesn't look good for UT because there are so many other power house teams. Enjoy listening to his corny sayings and weak play calling. I don't think he will succeed in the SEC and he will be gone in a few years. I am not bitter towards Butch in anyway but I have said since the rumors began he hasn't proved himself yet to be an SEC coach. The numbers don't lie."

"Moral of the story: Butch Jones will build a very consistent program, he recruits pretty well and says a lot of corny slogans. You probably won't lose too many games you shouldn't but you probably won't win any big ones either. I forsee a lot of 7-5, 6-6 and 8-4 seasons for y'all. If you are looking for in game adjustments, look for a different coach."

"Overall, Tennessee probably could have done better, but you obviously needed a coach badly this season and it's not a bad hire. Many UC fans think he will not last longer than 3 years at UT, but that could just be sour grapes. He may be successful, but I honestly don't see him creating a national title team every year as UT expects. I think Tennessee hired him to be the next Brian Kelly and the consensus in Cincinnati is he isn't. I wish him the best and think he can at the least create a contender. Hopefully this helps; good luck to you."

"I think Butch is a great players coach. The players and organization love him. However, the fact that we haven't taken the conference "championship" the last few years makes me wonder what he can do in the SEC. If he can't get it done in the Big East..what's going to happen against Saban, Miles and Co."

Found some other interesting nuggets from that forum:

"Butch's biggest weakness, IMO is his conservative nature. I feel like there were games where the play calling was too conservative and maybe kept games closer than they should have been. Maybe this seemed more evident since he followed Brian "River Boat Gambler" Kelly. The other knock that is fair is that he never won the big game. The Virginia Tech win this year was about as close as it got. His inability to either develop a QB or find one was the biggest issue with our team this year."

"...You'll know in 3 years whether its time to cut the cord or continue. And even if you cut the cord, he will leave a stable program that the next hire can take to the next level. I think it was a good risk by UT. Good luck."

 

[NashVol11]

Some of those early trick plays came, I think, in response to criticism from the fanbase. Do they troll VN? Hopefully not, but there is a broader fan response they are trying to manage and respond to - likely to their detriment. Playing not to lose and talking in coach speak are part of that. It is a no win situation (no pun intended) for Butch. If he stays on script he is in denial and detached and starts to turn some off. If he acknowledges errors, he emboldens his critics and invites more media questions and distractions

If the coaching staff is running plays to respond to the fanbase, they should be terminated immediately. That's ridiculous stupidity.

 

[dxhman]

The nice thing is that when he leaves in a year or two we will have improved our roster so it will be easier to get a good coach. :good!:

 

[gunner]

Hes a fool for utilizing an inept coaching staff.

Your certainly entitled to your opinion, but this staff while they aren't by any means perfect, they are far from inept. I have seen very postive improvements on both sides of the ball from when Dooley was the HC at UT, and UT's special teams are very close to being really special again!

 

[skyrookie]

we've got to give him at least 7 years. He's taking us to bowls!!!

bowl!

 

[Wilhelm16]

If he doesn't start delivering wins, we'll never see his potential. We'll never see what he can do with a team loaded with talent, because the recruiting will dry up. He can recruit now, because he doesn't have to own the things that happened before he got here. Now it's all on him. Elite players don't want to play for a guy who talks a good game but loses on Saturday, and 5*receivers certainly don't want to go to a school where they're given the opportunity to block for their quarterback 2 out of every 3 plays.