What if?

[larjoranj]

Even better question for if we fire her and hire a new coach. How many wins does the new coach need to not be on the hot seat after first year?

That may very well be a better question. I'm not a very good question thinker upper. But that wasn't the question that started this thread. I'll make you a deal. I'll answer your question and then you answer mine. My answer to your question is - I personally couldn't put a number on it. There could be injuries. MR may be back, she may not. Same for DD. If a new coach was hired there could be defections, including from the incoming class. The final team roster would have to be taken into account and we won't know that for awhile. I can say if we won 25 games the new coach wouldn't be on the hot seat with me. If we win 3, they would be on the hot seat with me. In between and I'll have to weigh the circumstances.

 

[larjoranj]

If I were a recruit coming in next year and I got on here and read the crap that's posted about the team, coach and program, I'd be looking elsewhere for a school. These kids want to play for Holly, they committed to Holly, not UT. The school is icing on the cake. But they want stability in a coaching staff that generated a trust with them. That's not represented on VN.

Well, since 4 highly rated players did sign, are you saying they must not have read this board? Or are you saying maybe they read the board but had more common sense than to factor in what us nut jobs on Volnation think or say?
And could you link an interview or quote by the incoming group that indicates the main reason they chose to come to UT?

 

[larjoranj]

Actually, as every LOI makes clear, they committed to Tennessee and not to Holly. And I think it is pretty clear that it is TN and the legacy of Pat that drives the recruiting bus for the program. That is what you hear from the recruits, not how they believe Holly will drive them to be the best player they can become.

Odd. Coach Mike before you is sure they committed to Holly. You are sure they committed to Tennessee. I think one of you is not sure what the word "sure" means.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Actually, as every LOI makes clear, they committed to Tennessee and not to Holly. And I think it is pretty clear that it is TN and the legacy of Pat that drives the recruiting bus for the program. That is what you hear from the recruits, not how they believe Holly will drive them to be the best player they can become.

That's odd because KK and Hayes both indicated they want to play for Holly....people want so bad for these recruits to not like Holly 😂

 

[Top Gun]

That's odd because KK and Hayes both indicated they want to play for Holly....people want so bad for these recruits to not like Holly 😂

What I see out on the floor every time they play is a bunch of uninspired highly rated athletes. Now you can keep pretending that these girls are all giddy about playing for Holly or just maybe they still think that the legend of CPS will get the best out of them.

 

[LadyVol1908]

What I see out on the floor every time they play is a bunch of uninspired highly rated athletes. Now you can keep pretending that these girls are all giddy about playing for Holly or just maybe they still think that the legend of CPS will get the best out of them.

I don't have to pretend, it's what they're saying!

 

[VolRoger]

Knowing who is coming back would help answer the question. I do know that we can't go on like the last two seasons it is not who the Lady vols have been or what this program should be. Even if you don't blame all the in court play on Holly you still have to look at recruiting the last couple seasons and say she has failed there. She went into this season with three good players and a weak bench which are all players she recruited.
Right now if the big three all come back she needs to make the final four anything short of that would be a failure because with those three back and the players sitting out this season plus the freshmen coming in we will have top five talent no doubt.
We should also win the SEC next season we will have the top talent in the league.
I think it should be an ultimatum year for Holly to put up or give up the job so the program can get a fresh start. I have no problem with her coming back next season she and her staff recruited the players coming in should have a season to show what she can do with them.

I admit I don't follow Lady Vols B-ball closely, but I'm a little confused by your remarks. Just who are the great players sitting out this season? You said Holly's recruiting was bad. Is it really bad, or does she have key players she recruited with season ending injuries that prevented them playing? Something went right this year it seems in recruiting. Not being critical. Just want some clarification. Thx

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Short of her using a naughty accouterment to violate Geno Auriemma, she probably needs to go.

 

[Coachmike17]

Actually, as every LOI makes clear, they committed to Tennessee and not to Holly. And I think it is pretty clear that it is TN and the legacy of Pat that drives the recruiting bus for the program. That is what you hear from the recruits, not how they believe Holly will drive them to be the best player they can become.

Their relationships and trust are with the coaching staff. Not saying that Tennessee's reputation in women's basketball or the name Pat Summit doesn't mean anything in recruiting but these kids know the current staff. Their trust is in them.

 

[teacherdean]

Let us suppose that Holly is back next year, which is likely, even though many of you are stroking out at the thought. For those of you who would prefer Junior Samples or Frankenstein as coach over Holly, what kind of success next year would it take for you to think she deserved another year?

For those of you who think Holly is the most unfairly criticized human being of the last century, what would it take next year or the next couple years to push you into the "tar and feather Holly" group?

If Russell and Diamond stays, the ladies should at least make it to the SEC quarter finals and losing to. legit an SEC title contender. The teams needs to be an NCAA Final 4 contender, ranked consistently, all year, in the top 10, if not the top 5. Make it to at least the elite 8 losing only to a final four contender, i.e. Baylor, UCONN, ND, etc.

If Diamond leaves, the ladies still have very, very good talent and, with Cooper, a very good point guard. This will be true even if Russell turns pro. The team will need to beat teams they are suppose to beat. Jekyll and Hyde basketball is unacceptable. They should easily make it to the quarter finals of the SEC. this team should have no problem being ranked in the top 10 all year long. Holly should at least make it to the elite 8 losing only to a legit final 4 team.

If next year's team continue to go South, Holly has to go because she will never be the answer. If she continues to say that she does not know why an underperforming team is underperforming, then she will never understand.

 

[Coachmike17]

You are exactly right! In fact, the new coach Holly hired must be a great recruiter to get all this talent. Last year Holly didn't sign anyone. That should tell you all you need to know about wanting to play for Holly.

Never had a child commit to a school huh? Trust me, these kids develope personal relationships with the coaches recruiting them. Not just BB, but all sports. Yes the school matters also but quite honestly some of these girls have no connections to UT other than knowing some history about the program. Don't under sell Holly on this. If these girls are that good then they respect where they think the coaches can get them to.

 

[Coachmike17]

That may very well be a better question. I'm not a very good question thinker upper. But that wasn't the question that started this thread. I'll make you a deal. I'll answer your question and then you answer mine. My answer to your question is - I personally couldn't put a number on it. There could be injuries. MR may be back, she may not. Same for DD. If a new coach was hired there could be defections, including from the incoming class. The final team roster would have to be taken into account and we won't know that for awhile. I can say if we won 25 games the new coach wouldn't be on the hot seat with me. If we win 3, they would be on the hot seat with me. In between and I'll have to weigh the circumstances.

Poor recruiting classes which means the program has become stagnant. Losing record despite the talent level. I'm sure there's other reasons but...

 

[Coachmike17]

Odd. Coach Mike before you is sure they committed to Holly. You are sure they committed to Tennessee. I think one of you is not sure what the word "sure" means.

With all the great women's BB programs out there to choose from, are you telling me they don't care who the coach is, they just want to play for UT. I'm not trying to downplay the school or the legacy of CPS but these are potential next level recruits who want to be coached into the WNBA and obviously feel this staff can get them there.

 

[Coachmike17]

Odd. Coach Mike before you is sure they committed to Holly. You are sure they committed to Tennessee. I think one of you is not sure what the word "sure" means.

I don't see the word "sure" in either one of our posts. I'm as "sure" about what I think as you are "sure" about us using the word "sure". I "sure" wish you hadn't started this for "sure".

 

[Coachmike17]

I don't have to pretend, it's what they're saying!

I think you are correct Lady, some people let hatred blind them.

 

[Coach Jumper]

With all the great women's BB programs out there to choose from, are you telling me they don't care who the coach is, they just want to play for UT. I'm not trying to downplay the school or the legacy of CPS but these are potential next level recruits who want to be coached into the WNBA and obviously feel this staff can get them there.

When Geno moves on,,, there will be those who commit to uConN just to see if they can be the players who ...Just keep on winning. . . NO matter which coach succeeds him.


Not that easy.
You can't lose a Geno and not replace what he was.
Understand,
I didn't say replace HIM, I said replace what he was.

Same is true for us,
No one can replace Pat, but someone has to be what she was.

 

[larjoranj]

I don't see the word "sure" in either one of our posts. I'm as "sure" about what I think as you are "sure" about us using the word "sure". I "sure" wish you hadn't started this for "sure".

I stand corrected. You didn't use the word "sure". You did say the recruits committed to Holly and not UT. You didn't say probably, or maybe, or possibly. The other poster said they committed to UT, not Holly. Both of you seem certain. How can you possibly know what is in the mind of an 18 year old girl? They probably don't know themselves

 

[larjoranj]

Short of her using a naughty accouterment to violate Geno Auriemma, she probably needs to go.

Uh......ok

 

[djohnnyg]

This is a dream or not:

The Lady Vols will win out and make it to the Final Four in dramatic fashion by beating UConn.

They will win it all by finally playing 6 straight games of some fun fast paced basketball delighting all of Lady Vol Nation and saving Holly's job for real.

It could happen. :thumbsup:

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There is literally no chance in hell of Lady Vols beating UCONN. None. In fact, I can't imagine them even playing 3 good games in a row..no less 6.

This is the problem with Holly (well..there are many).

The crazy inconsistency from one game to the next.

Sometimes they show up...a lot of times they don't. That goes back to coaching. She can neither motivate a team...or coach them properly. The only reason this team wins any games at all is due strictly to the talent they have. UT womens basketball sells itself...and talent still wanting to come here is the gift Holly inherited...but if this losing 10+ games (minimum) a year continues....this "gift" will cease to keep on giving.

 

[armchair]

Holly Warlick is the luckiest coach in the history of women's basketball. She's a lousy coach and yet she's been coaching one of the top two premier programs in college basketball for six years. She should never have gotten in the job in the first place--she was the No. //2// assistant--not no. 1 assistant---for most of her coaching career at UT. She wasn't qualified for it, as we've sadly seen. We're a program that's been sick and struggling for a decade, and Warlick damn sure isn't the cure.

 

[T.J.]

I Get It!

But she ain't going nowhere right now.

The Lady Vols takes front and center. Don't worry about Holly right now. The LVs are good and bad. I'm taking the good right now because of the unknown.

Yes they are inconsistent.

Yes Holly's their coach.

But they've beaten
Pac-12 Champions Stanford
Big East Champions Notre Dame
SEC Champions South Carolina


There's no choice but to get with the Program The Tennessee Lady Volunteers. They need us fans to keep hope alive. For now we all must just forget about Holly. It's about The Lady Vols. Those teams aforementioned were beaten by the players not by Holly. She didn't do anything it is THE TEAM!

I am anxious for this NCAA tourney to start. You'll see. I'd rather have them win then lose.
I know it's a catch 22. They win Holly stays. They lose Holly still will stay. :crazy:

GOLadyVols!

 

[Martic]

We're all wanting chocolate cake... and the pantry is filled with rice cakes.

Pat and Holly were a great team because they fulfilled different roles and balanced each other. Pat was a tough disciplinarian who demanded every player's best and would accept no less. Holly was the mother hen. She listened, consoled, smoothed ruffled feathers and hugged away hurt feelings. Holly didn't have to be tough and demanding, because Pat took care of that. And now Pat is gone, and the winning formula is missing a key component. The hugs need the stare.

I'd like to see the LVs back in the Top 10, in the SECT finals and making the F4 next year. Without DD and MR, that's a big ask, and I'm sure UTAD will be content with much less.

I shutter to mention that the recipe needed a revision for at least the last 10 years. If not for CP and company the cake would not have risen. In other words the recipe had stopped working!! CHW needs a new choc. cake recipe.

 

[Top Gun]

Never had a child commit to a school huh? Trust me, these kids develope personal relationships with the coaches recruiting them. Not just BB, but all sports. Yes the school matters also but quite honestly some of these girls have no connections to UT other than knowing some history about the program. Don't under sell Holly on this. If these girls are that good then they respect where they think the coaches can get them to.

Point I was trying to make that Holly hasn't recruited well at all. Most all of her current highly rated players were here when she became coach. Last season she didn't even sign one recruit. She hired a new coach who can recruit, thus the no.1 class coming in. The new coach and the legend of Pat and UT was what drew the girls in ptobably, not Holly. Sorry to be so negative but she has had long enough. UT is a premier job, not just a good one. The fans deserve a premier coach.

 

[xanamanax]

Point I was trying to make that Holly hasn't recruited well at all. Most all of her current highly rated players were here when she became coach. Last season she didn't even sign one recruit. She hired a new coach who can recruit, thus the no.1 class coming in. The new coach and the legend of Pat and UT was what drew the girls in ptobably, not Holly. Sorry to be so negative but she has had long enough. UT is a premier job, not just a good one. The fans deserve a premier coach.

This is Holly's fifth season. ALL of the current players were recruited and signed when Holly was the head coach.

 

[Top Gun]

This is Holly's fifth season. ALL of the current players were recruited and signed when Holly was the head coach.

Sorry, I was wrong about that. Their big star was a transfer that was recruited hard when Pat was still coaching I think. Well let me ask you then. Do you think she has coached them up to their potential? If they are all her recruits then why are we now middle of the pack in our own conference? Teams are beating us now that have never beaten us before. She shouldn't be allowed to coach past this year. It is time, past time.