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Tennessee were to win out, play Alabama in the SEC championship, even highly unlikely were to win, where does that put the Vols and does that leave the SEC out of the playoff?
 
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It was discussed the other day on ESPN that all Alabama has to do is win 1 of its next 2 and its guaranteed the number 1 spot. That's how dominate they have been and also how messed up the rest of the country is. We can only hope Auburn pulls the upset and we win the rematch when it really matters. Even then it would be hard to keep them out of the 4 spot. As I've stated in a couple other threads the playoff would've been in play had we not lost to South Carolina but since we lost that ship has sailed. That game will haunt us just like the LSU upset in the SEC Championship in 2001. That one still drives me bonkers.
 
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If Alabama is 11-1 with the only loss coming in the SEC championship they will most likely still make it in. They would probably still be the best if not second best 1 loss team in the nation. Only way they don't make it in IMO is if they lose in the Iron Bowl and in the SECCG.
 
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If we (the most mediocre team to make it to Atlanta in recent history) were to somehow beat the greatest Alabama team in history (better offense than 2011 team) then we would play in the Sugar Bowl. Had we taken care of SC then we would be in the playoff.
 
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Means Dobbs wins the Heisman, first round draft pick, first ballot future HOF, GOAT

D4H <insert any bandwagon fan here>
 
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amavol2 said:
Tennessee were to win out, play Alabama in the SEC championship, even highly unlikely were to win, where does that put the Vols and does that leave the SEC out of the playoff?
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A one loss Alabama would make the playoff ahead of a 3-loss SEC champ Tennessee.
 
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KBVol said:
A one loss Alabama would make the playoff ahead of a 3-loss SEC champ Tennessee.
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Yep. If by some chance we made Atlanta and won, bama will still be in the playoffs. If that's their only loss.
 
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We take their spot in the playoffs with a win. It's not fair, but the playoffs start early with the SECCG. Lose and you should be out, the SECCG should not be made into an exhibition, loser is out, winner is not guaranteed to make it either, but the loser should be out(at least for the way it looks this year). If they want to take both, I'm fine with that.

The team that wins the SEC is one of two things: 1) a good if not great team. or 2) the team that just beat a good if not great team.

When is the last time too bad teams played in the SECCG? Never. Typically the SEC Champ goes on to play for the NC. I say, "Let it ride".

Plan D all the way to Tampa.
 
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amavol2 said:
A team that doesn't win their conference should not be able to win the national championship.
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Disagree. Entirely disagree.

The four best teams in the country should play for the championship. Some years, they'll come from 4 different conferences, and all be conference champions.

Many years, they will not.

Let the four best play.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Disagree. Entirely disagree.

The four best teams in the country should play for the championship. Some years, they'll come from 4 different conferences, and all be conference champions.

Many years, they will not.

Let the four best play.
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i've gone back and forth on this, and while i still believe winning the conf should mean something to your post season goals, ie winning a national title....a 4 team playoff doesn't necessarily make that necessarily true...

if winning your conf was an "automatic qualifier", then you'd have to have more than 4 teams, period.

cause under the current system, and it could happen this year in the big 10, the "best" team may not even play in the conf title game.

if you break it down to who's really the 4 best teams, and we have say TN/FL win the SEC, VT win the ACC, and PSU win the Big 10, should they all get in to a 4 team playoff over Clemson, Bama, and OSU?

so to your point, no, they shouldn't.

now if we're talking an 8 team playoff, where you could get 5 power 5 conf champs in, and 3 "wild cards" or "at large" teams....then you might have a case.

but even then you'll have years where you'll have a team ranked 20th pull an upset, and that may take 2-3 teams out of the running that were in the top 10 all year long. when that happens, it's a penalty to have a conf title game.

where it helps, like it would have in the 90's....we'd of likely made such a playoff at least twice...95 and 96, definitely made it in 97 and 98, and maybe 99? but in a season like 01, the title game upset would have hurt....

long story short, i've done a 180 on the whole "you have to win your conf to win a national title" mindset. it should matter, but it shouldn't be a requirement.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it should matter, but it shouldn't be a requirement.
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Precisely.

Winning your conference is another data point in the effort to find the four best teams. Not the only data point, not the most important data point, but a significant data point.

It can help the committee in their deliberations about who the four best are. It should not make the decision for the committee.



[And I believe that would be true in an 8-team playoff, as well. The 5 Power5 champs would not necessarily all be among the best 8 teams in the country.]
 
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amavol2 said:
Tennessee were to win out, play Alabama in the SEC championship, even highly unlikely were to win, where does that put the Vols and does that leave the SEC out of the playoff?
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UT would go to the Sugar Bowl. That's about all that would be certain about that scenario.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Precisely.

Winning your conference is another data point in the effort to find the four best teams. Not the only data point, not the most important data point, but a significant data point.

It can help the committee in their deliberations about who the four best are. It should not make the decision for the committee.



[And I believe that would be true in an 8-team playoff, as well. The 5 Power5 champs would not necessarily all be among the best 8 teams in the country.]
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yeah, if i'm choosing between 12-1 power 5 champ (notice the 13th game there....) vs. 11-1 non conf champ from another power 5, that both are similarly ranked....i'd give the nod to the champ.

a 10-3 power 5 conf champ over an 11-1 non conf champion...no so much.

and i'd give a nod to a 1 loss power 5 that played and won a c'ship game over a big 12 champ, provided they're not undefeated.
 
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Are they picking the 4 best teams currently or are they picking the 4 best for the entire season, because this can change during the course of a season.
 
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They should break up the big12 and make 4 power conferences. Each conference champion makes it in.
 
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amavol2 said:
Are they picking the 4 best teams currently or are they picking the 4 best for the entire season, because this can change during the course of a season.
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currently. that's 'why a couple of years ago you had 3 teams from the SEC w all in the 1st ranking.

as the season goes on, it changes.

and why they have to have a tv show about it every tuesday.:eek:lol:
 
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Alabama is at least 20% better than any team in America and I am a tennessee fan. They are about 40% better than Tennessee and I hate to say that---but it is what it is.
 
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VolPack22 said:
It was discussed the other day on ESPN that all Alabama has to do is win 1 of its next 2 and its guaranteed the number 1 spot. That's how dominate they have been and also how messed up the rest of the country is. We can only hope Auburn pulls the upset and we win the rematch when it really matters. Even then it would be hard to keep them out of the 4 spot. As I've stated in a couple other threads the playoff would've been in play had we not lost to South Carolina but since we lost that ship has sailed. That game will haunt us just like the LSU upset in the SEC Championship in 2001. That one still drives me bonkers.
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That one bothers me more than any of the Fulmer era!
 
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