What if Pearl were 100% out of the picture?

#101
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NYC Vol said:
Please list them without Stokes. According to Rivals we have:

Hubbs
Josh Richardson
Austin
Cofer
Thompson

And again, I'll ask you this question again (I'm sensing a theme that you don't answer questions that don't fit your agenda). Since we have more 5* than all but 2 or 3 teams, should we expect that we will be top 4 in the conference next year?
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Well for starters I said 247, so I'm not sure why you immediately changed sites...

Darius Thompson
Jordan Cornish
CJ Turman


As for next year, without Stokes I think top 5-6 should be the expectation, with Stokes probably top 3-4.
 
#102
#102
NYC Vol said:
Chill dude. I can only answer so many of your silly posts at a time. At least I answer your questions. You avoid mine like the plague.

Hypocritical? Because some irrational fans change their mind after every game? Check out the UK board after the Fla game. Some fans there want Cal fired. Are we using the most irrational of fans as a barometer these days? Some fans wanted Pearl fired after some games as well. I don't think many of us took the asinine threads seriously.
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So what's the rule, 10 or more posters? 20? 50? 100? How many must say something before it qualifies as a small portion?
 
#103
#103
VolsSportsFan said:
I'm saying you have to look at all the factors. Remember, this is all based on a hypothetical that Martin makes it to at least 32.

If he makes the round of 32 at least (and even moreso a Sweet 16) and you fire him, at a place like UT, I think it will actually turn off a ton of candidates and we'll get bad press from this.This ain't UK, Kansas, Duke, etc. Now you say if we pay enough, well now you have to pay a buyout, and you can't tell me that doesn't factor in to how much we're willing to shell out.

Now onto the fan side, you say "some fans" are still hung up over Pearl, well is it a majority as many on here claim or is it just a vocal minority? I honestly can't tell you. If it's even half, then immediately 50% of the fanbase is going to be pissed if we hire an up and comer and probably won't give 2 craps if he can coach or not. They'll want wins ASAP, regardless of the circumstances.

I've long said Martin has to make the NCAAT, and for me he has to win at least one. I have a really hard time saying a guy at a place like UT is going to be sent packing after that. I feel like we asked him to improve, he did, and we still said "Sorry broseph, hit the road". Long term no he probably isn't the answer, but as I said, if he makes the round of 32/Sweet 16 and you show him the door, you better have something amazing lined up, whether it's Pearl or a proven winner.
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Fair enough. I really don't deal in hypotheticals. I don't expect the Vols to make the round of 32, let alone the round of 16. We've beaten one sure tourney team this year and another probable in Xavier. We've lost to teams we shouldn't have lost to and every team we should have lost to (we were favored vs UVA to let everyone remember the streak they were on prior to our game).

I truly hope it's the majority of fans that are stuck on Pearl. I think it's pure ego that they wouldn't look at him. I don't think compliance has anything to do with it. But hey, that's their choice. Do some research and find a guy. Talk to all available resources. Coaches know who is good. They know who can recruit. Talk to Ernie. Talk to as many basketball people as possible. Find a diamond in the rough, but not because they're "from a tree". Find a guy that had to fight his way to be a coach. Find the traits that make a great coach and a guy that has pulled a program up by its bootstraps. Some of these coaching searches are laughable. And yeah, we might be the next in line to do so. But I think it's worth the risk.
 
#104
#104
NYC Vol said:
Chill dude. I can only answer so many of your silly posts at a time. At least I answer your questions. You avoid mine like the plague.

Hypocritical? Because some irrational fans change their mind after every game? Check out the UK board after the Fla game. Some fans there want Cal fired. Are we using the most irrational of fans as a barometer these days? Some fans wanted Pearl fired after some games as well. I don't think many of us took the asinine threads seriously.
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I would say you are not the average UT basketball fan. If you look at this board, as I've said in another thread, the rarest posters you find are those that think Martin should go, and aren't clamoring for Pearl to return. The majority of posters here calling for Martin's job are very BBB.
 
#105
#105
NYC Vol said:
Fair enough. I really don't deal in hypotheticals. I don't expect the Vols to make the round of 32, let alone the round of 16. We've beaten one sure tourney team this year and another probable in Xavier. We've lost to teams we shouldn't have lost to and every team we should have lost to (we were favored vs UVA to let everyone remember the streak they were on prior to our game).

I truly hope it's the majority of fans that are stuck on Pearl. I think it's pure ego that they wouldn't look at him. I don't think compliance has anything to do with it. But hey, that's their choice. Do some research and find a guy. Talk to all available resources. Coaches know who is good. They know who can recruit. Talk to Ernie. Talk to as many basketball people as possible. Find a diamond in the rough, but not because they're "from a tree". Find a guy that had to fight his way to be a coach. Find the traits that make a great coach and a guy that has pulled a program up by its bootstraps. Some of these coaching searches are laughable. And yeah, we might be the next in line to do so. But I think it's worth the risk.
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We weren't favored at B4A Xavier or at LSU :hi:
 
#106
#106
bleedingTNorange said:
So what's the rule, 10 or more posters? 20? 50? 100? How many must say something before it qualifies as a small portion?
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I'd say anyone that says a coach should be fired after 10 games can be labeled irrational. Most folks with common sense can figure that out.

And for the 3rd time I'll ask:

I don't get what you're arguing here. You've said time and time again over the last month that Zo is not the long term answer. Or did I imagine that?
 
#107
#107
NYC Vol said:
I'd say anyone that says a coach should be fired after 10 games can be labeled irrational. Most folks with common sense can figure that out.

And for the 3rd time I'll ask:

I don't get what you're arguing here. You've said time and time again over the last month that Zo is not the long term answer. Or did I imagine that?
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I'm arguing you saying we have the 10th worst roster next year, that's borderline institutionalized level IMO.
 
#108
#108
NYC Vol said:
Fair enough. I really don't deal in hypotheticals. I don't expect the Vols to make the round of 32, let alone the round of 16. We've beaten one sure tourney team this year and another probable in Xavier. We've lost to teams we shouldn't have lost to and every team we should have lost to (we were favored vs UVA to let everyone remember the streak they were on prior to our game).

I truly hope it's the majority of fans that are stuck on Pearl. I think it's pure ego that they wouldn't look at him. I don't think compliance has anything to do with it. But hey, that's their choice. Do some research and find a guy. Talk to all available resources. Coaches know who is good. They know who can recruit. Talk to Ernie. Talk to as many basketball people as possible. Find a diamond in the rough, but not because they're "from a tree". Find a guy that had to fight his way to be a coach. Find the traits that make a great coach and a guy that has pulled a program up by its bootstraps. Some of these coaching searches are laughable. And yeah, we might be the next in line to do so. But I think it's worth the risk.
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I don't mind that Pearl is popular, he definitely should be. My problem is the growing sentiment that UT basketball is doomed if they don't rehire him. I've repeatedly stated I have no problem if he's rehired and even look forward to it, but I refuse to act like they need to tear down TBA if it's not him.
 
#109
#109
bleedingTNorange said:
Well for starters I said 247, so I'm not sure why you immediately changed sites...

Darius Thompson
Jordan Cornish
CJ Turman


As for next year, without Stokes I think top 5-6 should be the expectation, with Stokes probably top 3-4.
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Okay, let's stick to 247.

We can take Austin off the list. Turman isn't 4*. Neither is Cornish. Man, this isn't going well for you. Care to try again?

Oh wait, neither is Thompson. Uh-oh. Want to try ESPN?

So by 247, we have:

Hubbs
uhh....ummm...uhhh

We have as many non-rated players on our roster next year as 4* or higher. Yep, 5th best in the conference.

edit: I mistakenly listed 4* players instead of top 150 players. Austin and Cofer are indeed top 150 players on 247.
 
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#110
#110
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm arguing you saying we have the 10th worst roster next year, that's borderline institutionalized level IMO.
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Let's try this one more time. I'll type slowly so you can understand:

You've said time and time again over the last month that Zo is not the long term answer. Or did I imagine that?

You've already looked silly by saying that our roster has 9 top 150 players on the roster. By the way, I was mistaken in the prior post. I was looking at stars. Austin is a top 150. So is Cofer. DT is not and neither is Cornish.
 
#111
#111
NYC Vol said:
Okay, let's stick to 247.

We can take Austin off the list. Turman isn't 4*. Neither is Cornish. Man, this isn't going well for you. Care to try again?

Oh wait, neither is Thompson. Uh-oh. Want to try ESPN?

So by 247, we have:

Hubbs
uhh....ummm...uhhh

We have as many non-rated players on our roster next year as 4* or higher. Yep, 5th best in the conference.
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Who the hell said anything about a 4*?

I said rated 150 or better bro.
 
#112
#112
NYC Vol said:
Let's try this one more time. I'll type slowly so you can understand:

You've said time and time again over the last month that Zo is not the long term answer. Or did I imagine that?

You've already looked silly by saying that our roster has 9 top 150 players on the roster. By the way, I was mistaken in the prior post. I was looking at stars. Austin is a top 150. So is Cofer. DT is not and neither is Cornish.
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You were mistaken.

First step is admitting you have a problem, hats off to you for that.
 
#113
#113
bleedingTNorange said:
Who the hell said anything about a 4*?

I said rated 150 or better bro.
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Take a look at my next post and I've edited that other post, bro. Nine top 150 players? Sucks that the interwebs makes info so readily available.

So yeah, I made a mistake since we were talking about 4* previously vs the top 150. My bad. What's your excuse for making up how many top 150 players we have?

Again, didn't you say that Zo isn't a good coach and is not the long term solution for the Vols? Did we all imagine that? Do I need to get the quote from the previous threads?
 
#116
#116
NYC Vol said:
Take a look at my next post and I've edited that other post, bro. Nine top 150 players? Sucks that the interwebs makes info so readily available.

So yeah, I made a mistake since we were talking about 4* previously vs the top 150. My bad. What's your excuse for making up how many top 150 players we have?
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Let's stick to one argument at a time since you clearly are having difficulties keeping up...

Thompson had cracked the top 150 in rivals, I thought it was 247, but it was rivals.

In my original post I never said anything about leaving stokes off, that was all you. So top 150: Stokes, Hubbs, Richardson, Thompson, Cornish, Austin, Cofer, Turman and Davis. Some of those guys may have fallen out in recent updates, I hadn't checked and I admit that, all were top 200.

So 9 players top 150-175, how many other teams in the SEC have that? I assume you have some sort of numbers or research you did to make that bold statement that our roster is 10th or worse...or no?
 
#117
#117
Do I want Pearl back? Yes!

Do I think Martin can be successful here? Yes.


To be honest Pearl was just a lot more fun. That's what I miss the most. I think the wins and NCAA appearances will come for Martin with a little more time, but the energy and enthusiasm isn't the same.
 
#120
#120
GAVol said:
Bruce IS out of the picture.
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Exactly. Bruce was gone, is gone, won't be nothing but gone, forever. He made that decision when he lied to the NCAA investigator and coerced his assistants to lie for him, and then had the balls to call the recruit's parents and try to get them to lie for him. He's done. STick a fork in him.

Regardless of what happens to Cuonzo, Pearl ain't never coming back.
 
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#121
#121
My dream scenario is that we do so well that someone hires Martin away and we get Bruce. If we don't hire him we'll end up losing to him.
 
#122
#122
bleedingTNorange said:
I was mistaken as well, a couple dropped to 175ish range.

For researches sake...how many SEC teams have 9 or more top 200 players on their roster?
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So you call me out for switching from 247 to Rivals, yet you switch to Rivals to include DT and now it's top 200? Let's use guys that made Parade All American honorable mention or the top 10 in their state! Just let me know when we meet the criteria that makes it look good for you.

And just to confirm, you NEVER said that you don't think Zo is the long term answer at UT?
 
#123
#123
NYC Vol said:
So you call me out for switching from 247 to Rivals, yet you switch to Rivals to include DT and now it's top 200? Just let me know when we meet the criteria that makes it look good for you.
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No, I'm not switching, I admitted I got the site confused as to who bumped him inside of 150.

I figured you had done some research on this to make that statement, I didn't realize I was gonna have to do it for you. Here ya go...list for me how many players are in the 247 top 200 on each SEC team next year.

When you answer that question, and list the teams in order, thus giving us the rankings you originally eluded to when calling us 10th or worse...we can then move on to the next topic.
 
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