What if Jalen realizes how foolish he decision is:

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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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Yes, but.....I've heard that not only players, but coaches as well may be somewhat relieved that he's no longer there. So, even if he came back with hat in hand, asked for forgiveness and an opportunity to redeem himself, according some, he wouldn't be welcomed/allowed back.
 
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If that happened then it would take a monumental attitude adjustment from the young man. He is not the most well liked at this moment (or really for awhile) inside the locker room. However, if he proved he was sincere I could see a path for that in the future but it would be a process to re-build trust with the team. That being said though, I do not see it happening. It is my understanding he burnt the bridge with the team and it is best to just go separate ways.

Hopefully, he realizes that he is getting BAD advice from certain people and gets those people out of his ear. I wish him well and thank him for his effort for 2 years and 4.5 games but to me he is not, and will never again be a VFL.
 
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KBVol said:
Yes, but.....I've heard that not only players, but coaches as well may be somewhat relieved that he's no longer there. So, even if he came back with hat in hand, asked for forgiveness and an opportunity to redeem himself, according some, he wouldn't be welcomed/allowed back.
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This is a wise nuance to the original question. I could see Hurd welcomed back, forgiven. The real determining factor would absolutely be his attitude and action AFTER coming back. If it's same old, it would be a far worse situation. If it's renewed/improved, it would be an overall positive.
 
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No you don't let him come back, not if half the rumors are true of how he acted on the sidelines and towards teammates.

Even if his teammates forgave him, as a coach I wouldn't allow him back, the sole reason that this might give the next "Hurd" a reason to act out and not listen. A coach MUST have control of his team, and this would fly in the face of that.

So no, thank him for his time and send him on his way.
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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If you are looking for debate, tell your wife/girlfrind that she is fat and ugly. I assure you, it will generate all the debate you can handle. I will save you the suprise on who is going to win that debate. lol :blink:
 
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This has got me thinking about our neighborhood star that got mad at Coach Majors. Called his parents and said he was coming home. His Dad was waiting for him in the driveway and took him right back to Knoxville. He went on to play for the Seahawks. It's too bad he didn't take the opportunity to cool off.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Yep. He quit during the damn game. He can kick rocks. You may not like the coaches, but you don't hang guys you care about out to dry like that.
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Is there ANY evidence to support this? Why would Hurd be standing around on the sideline with his helmet on instead of sulking on the bench or walking off the field?

I actually think he was removed from the game against his will, either for injury reasons or because the coaching staff preferred using Kelly in a hurry-up offense. That seems like a far more realistic explanation for quitting the next day (perceiving that he lost his starting job), rather than this baseless narrative that he stopped wanting to play.

When I was a football player, the most frustrated I ever got was when an inferior player at my position made a mistake to lose the game. Imagine how frustrated Hurd must've been on the sideline when Fils-Aime bumped into Dobbs and caused that 4th quarter fumble. That doesn't excuse his decision to quit the team the next day, but it does begin to explain it.
 
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I think the ship has sailed. I doubt his teammates would be willing to forgive him easily and that would create a toxic situation. I'm sure CBJ would realize that and say you made your decision now you have to live with it.
 
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robow said:
If you are looking for debate, tell your wife/girlfrind that she is fat and ugly. I assure you, it will generate all the debate you can handle. I will save you the suprise on who is going to win that debate. lol :blink:
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Better yet, post pics and let us decide. :)
 
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I feel for Butch in all this too. Jones inherited a garbage can roster - far worse than Kiffin or Dooley. He recruited top prospect Hurd and featured him in the offense - and Hurd delivered with some terrific games. Early success went to Jalen's head and I understand his frustration with the offense and other issues. Butch was caught with all his ballyhoo and build-up of Hurd whose ego got larger and larger each season. In the third year - the star player - who is looking primarily at the NFL - turns into a coaching challenge and toxic for the squad.

Anyway we can look at Hurd as a JUCO player - thank him for his contribution but similar to Kelley Washington - be glad he is out of eligibility even if he fired himself.

This is most definitely bizarre and it will be interesting to see where Hurd ends up - I hope he gets a degree somewhere. He seems to be on the same career path as Marcus North.

As far as him coming back to the Vols in any capacity - that would be a losing proposition. Let some other staff invest in training him for a new position with 1 year of eligibility left.
 
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If he can get a grip on himself, apologize to his teammates and coaches, move to TE at UT, and come back for his Senior year, that's what would be best for him and the team.

I'd love to see Dormady or Guarantano throwing to Hurd and Wolf next year......That's also his best chance of making it to the NFL.
 
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McDad said:
That is more on Dobbs than anyone else.
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Dobbs had his worst game as a Vol... but he was still fighting for the win at the end of the game while Hurd was sulking on the sodeline by himself.

That should sum this discussion up.
 
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Why would he want to come back? Kamara is 1, and Kelly has earned the 2 spot. Hurd gonna come in for mop up duty? Sorry but if I'm in the middle of the crap I don't want a quitter beside me.
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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Where's the make fun of Tennessee Tech thread?
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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Apparently this isnt a rash decision. This is something he has thought over for a while. I think its a dumb decision but its his decision, not mine. Besides, in respect to the team, I think everything they needed to know was decided when he wouldnt go back in the SC game.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Is there ANY evidence to support this? Why would Hurd be standing around on the sideline with his helmet on instead of sulking on the bench or walking off the field?

I actually think he was removed from the game against his will, either for injury reasons or because the coaching staff preferred using Kelly in a hurry-up offense. That seems like a far more realistic explanation for quitting the next day (perceiving that he lost his starting job), rather than this baseless narrative that he stopped wanting to play.

When I was a football player, the most frustrated I ever got was when an inferior player at my position made a mistake to lose the game. Imagine how frustrated Hurd must've been on the sideline when Fils-Aime bumped into Dobbs and caused that 4th quarter fumble. That doesn't excuse his decision to quit the team the next day, but it does begin to explain it.
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TOS talked about him pulling himself.
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.
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Only if he brings the other quitter, Preston Williams back with him....
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?


Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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You should always take them back. How much respect to Sheridan earn by coming back.

It's hard at any age to admit you're wrong. It takes a certain level of maturity.

Take him back. And let him break all the records.
 
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SobeVol said:
For the sake of argument: If Jalen realizes his decision was selfish and impulsive; and he agrees to toe the line from here on. Can we / would we be able to keep him on the team?

Before I get blasted...Im not saying he would, or we should, etc...Im simply looking for debate.

Remember that this is a young kid that may have just made a rash decision that could very well change his course in life.
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If he humbles himself, and apologizes to his teammates with assurances to them that he will behave better, there's always a chance. But, it's a slim chance of happening. Being too full of yourself will usually alienates those around.
 
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I'm with Butchna. Reading the tea leaves and body language..............I think Hurd made some reference to leaving after this year during the team meeting and one or more of his teammates asked "Why wait?" He was pouting on the sidelines. He didn't go in after Kelly made a long run and was gassed. Freshman goes in and knocks ball loose on next play and Dobbs goes directly to Hurd and has some choice words. Dude had already quit. He quit about 2 1/2 yards from the goal line in Georgia game and hasn't stopped quitting since.
 
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