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me lately"....

Im about as tired of hearing that crap as I am of losing to FL.This seems to be the new catch phrase concerning high profile programs and head coaches.

Let me break it down to those that think we are all part of the "what have you done for me lately" by asking CPF resign...

First off, CPF a great person, coach, and leader, and I respect him tons.
What folks are getting confused at is that when you ask for high expectaions (SEC Football), your face value ticket prices are high, and your Head football coach is making millions a year, you MUST compete at a high level consistantly. UT has not.
Family or not, this IS a buisness. Fans cannot be asked to pay high ticket prices only to watch mediocracy and players that seem (and I said "seem") to be laughing on the sidelines during losses. It doesnt work that way.

What have you done for me lately? A disciplined football team that can compete consistantly within our conference. Thats not too much to ask...is it?
 
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Ahh crap, i missed that thread....my bad. I wanted to call into Mark Howard and Co. this morning when fans kept calling in and saying it.
 
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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Vince Lombardi
 

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undertakervol said:
Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Vince Lombardi
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Unless he meant it metaphorically, as in "winning" in life and as person of integrity, honesty and character, that is a downright immoral statement, and it's sad it's become a part of American culture.

I know some of you are religious, and I don't know how you square that quote with your beliefs. "Anything worth doing is worth doing well," I can live with as a motto, and Ws and Ls IS important for a college football coach, but it OUGHT to be FAR from the MOST important thing. It IS unfortunately the only thing anymore, and even though I supported a coaching change, I'm saddened that this is what college football has come to.
 
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Dobervol said:
Unless he meant it metaphorically, as in "winning" in life and as person of integrity, honesty and character, that is a downright immoral statement, and it's sad it's become a part of American culture.

I know some of you are religious, and I don't know how you square that quote with your beliefs. "Anything worth doing is worth doing well," I can live with as a motto, and Ws and Ls IS important for a college football coach, but it OUGHT to be FAR from the MOST important thing. It IS unfortunately the only thing anymore, and even though I supported a coaching change, I'm saddened that this is what college football has come to.
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Somebody get me a tissue. Better yet, a barf bag.
 
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Dobervol said:
Unless he meant it metaphorically, as in "winning" in life and as person of integrity, honesty and character, that is a downright immoral statement, and it's sad it's become a part of American culture.

I know some of you are religious, and I don't know how you square that quote with your beliefs. "Anything worth doing is worth doing well," I can live with as a motto, and Ws and Ls IS important for a college football coach, but it OUGHT to be FAR from the MOST important thing. It IS unfortunately the only thing anymore, and even though I supported a coaching change, I'm saddened that this is what college football has come to.
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Your preaching to the quire around bud, most people on this board only care about Ws and Ls, making fun of coaches and players, and how much money gets tossed around. I've said it before and always say it, if your not part of them your an enemy....period!
 
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hatvol96 said:
Somebody get me a tissue. Better yet, a barf bag.
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I'm not crying; I like your analogy. Your attitude makes me wanna puke, as well. This is typical of a "me first" society in the current mess it's in because of greed. "Modern" football's spoiled fans and hired mercenary coaches (like Saban: a talented coach, but do you really believe him if he says he isn't taking that other higher paying job?) are but a symptom of the world we live in, from greedy Wall Street fat cats on one side, and the "gimme something for free that somebody else worked for" welfare bunch on the other.

In college FB, coaches dislike the fans because of their demands; the players often dislike the fans for the same reason; the fans think the players are spoiled (and they often are); fans hate the coaches b/c they think they make too much $$ (and they sometimes do, e.g. Saban); the coaches won't be loyal b/c they know they'll be canned if they lose too much; and once Bowden and Paterno are fired, all schools are gonna be on a coaching carousel. Yeah, dude, it's grrrrrr-ate!
 
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1."In college FB, coaches dislike the fans because of their demands". If true, too bad. We pay the multi million dollar salary. Grow thicker skin, win, or leave.
2. "the fans think the players are spoiled (and they often are)". Only when they are laughing on the sideline when losing.
3."fans hate the coaches b/c they think they make too much $$ (and they sometimes do, e.g. Saban);". really? I dont know anyone that "Hates" CPF. But if you are confusing wanting a change with hate then, ok I guess.When fans pony up for high tickets prices (and these are high) is it too much to ask for consistant competetive play?
 
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"If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead."

George S. Patton
 
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Neo41 said:
Your preaching to the quire around bud, most people on this board only care about Ws and Ls, making fun of coaches and players, and how much money gets tossed around. I've said it before and always say it, if your not part of them your an enemy....period!
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I don't normally do this, but that has got to be the worst misspelling of "choir" I've ever seen. I thought you guys went to church around here.
 
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Well, it really is "the enemy" I'm preaching to, which I know always entails being pelted with fruits and vegetables. :p Flame suit on, and flames expected.

I'm a frequent poster on, as they say (and who are "they," anyway), another forum, and I'm not afraid to take unpopular positions there, either. I do have a really big, strong, bad dude who agrees with me, however, that character counts more than just Ws and Ls--Albert Haynesworth, as quoted in today's Tennessean:

"[CPF's resignatio] is a shame, because they are losing more than a football coach. He has helped a lot of players and people, including myself, to be the successes they are today. I guess in the grand scheme, winning is important. I hope the coach they do find will be as good a person and mentor as Coach Fulmer and who will have the well-being of the players in mind, and not just winning games and advancing his own career."

I have the same hope as Albert, but I'm not too optimistic about it.

Neo41 said:
Your preaching to the quire around bud, most people on this board only care about Ws and Ls, making fun of coaches and players, and how much money gets tossed around. I've said it before and always say it, if your not part of them your an enemy....period!
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Exactly, well put.

I've been pissed since the 2004 SECCG. I am in no way a big donor by any means, but we have owned 4 season tixs since 1983. Our UTAD donation is the minimum contribution level. We have frequently exercised our option to buy bowl tixs during these 25 years and NEVER missed a SECCG up until 2004.

But when we went to purchase our SECCG tixs in 2004, we were told that we no longer met the contribution requirements to receive SECCG tixs through UTAD. Really? Not only has the product on the field gotten significantly worse, but now lifelong season tix holders aren't good enough for SECCG tixs options. Its funny how much has changed for the bad on the field since then, and how much greedier the UTAD became since then. To put it simply, UT fans have been EXPLOITED for 5 years and UTAD only cares about the money in our pockets.

Now 4 years later, season tixs were available preseason for the first time since I can remember despite a recent stadium reduction. Additionally, the entire SEC has became a corporate b*tch that will postpone player issues inorder to further exploit its great fans at a price of $2.2 million dollars (tv contracts). UT's role in building the SEC into what it is today is one that only UF and Bama can challenge. Fortunately UT will get $16.5 million a year for the next 15 years for their 1/12th of the $$$. No longer does the UTAD have to exploit its fans but I don't expect that to change.

All I want is Hamiliton to take the money that we the fans earned, and buy the best dang coach money can buy. Give the fans what they deserve and don't jip us this one freakin' time!

So Hamiliton, get your suitcase full of money, jump on a plane for Tampa, and don't comeback without Jon Gruden. Do that and you can extort my funds and pimp my fandem' all you want. But don't think about selling me crap and tell me to try it out.
 
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Dobervol said:
I'll be sure to pass along to Mr. Haynesworth that you think he's a wussie, "non-ass-kicker" type for supporting Fulmer.
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I suppose Mr. Haynesworth gets paid a fortune to be a nice guy on the field, versus contributing to winning games. Winning is his frigging job.
 
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undertakervol said:
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Dead, undertaker? I'm a HUGE fan of Patton, btw, deliciously insane though he was, simply b/c the allies might not have won the war on the western european front w/o him kicking butt and taking names. That said: Are you seriously equating defeating Adoph Hitler and stopping the takeover of the free world by a murderous fascist with winning football games? Really? You wanna stick with that analogy?

Hmmmm, lemme see: 6 million murdered jews versus several hundred thousand whining football fans. Yeah, I see the comparison--NOT!
 
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Dobervol said:
Dead, undertaker? I'm a HUGE fan of Patton, btw, deliciously insane though he was, simply b/c the allies might not have won the war on the western european front w/o him kicking butt and taking names. That said: Are you seriously equating defeating Adoph Hitler and stopping the takeover of the free world by a murderous fascist with winning football games? Really? You wanna stick with that analogy?

Hmmmm, lemme see: 6 million murdered jews versus several hundred thousand whining football fans. Yeah, I see the comparison--NOT!
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A winner is a winner is a winner, whether it is militarily, financially, or athletically. Someone who does not accept losing is going to succeed. Someone who accepts losing is a failure and probably is sitting at home collecting their welfare check.
 
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