What does "Control" mean?

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I've asked this question in a couple threads here and on other sites, but have never got a clear answer. When talking about a coaching vacancy, what is the word "control" in reference to?

For context - When someone says "Coach X won't come here because of control issues" or "We almost hired Coach Y, but the boosters didn't want to give up control"

1. What exactly are the Boosters and AD controlling?

2. What is a normal amount of "control" that a typical coach has?

3. What would be considered "too much control" for a typical coach?

4. Does the "normal" amount of control differ based on the caliber of the coach?


*Most of the answers I've got have been around budget allocations, financial decision making and player eligibility. While this all makes sense, I can't help but feel like there is more to it.
 
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Has a ton to do with control over schedule of team games, control over schedule of having to shake hands and raise $$. When and if a coach would want to do this. Control over staff changes, minor traditional changes made. Control to an extent to classes that can be offered 1st to football players.

Ability to cancel contracts with some recruiting services, hire new ones.
Off field player support programs, speakers that come in. Nutrition changes staff related.

A lot of non football related issues, that do effect the finished product.

Simplified there is a lot of things that the AD office organizes for your program.
Great coaches want control of every aspect to paint the whole picture that they want.
 
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AD Control = has to approve of staff hires and firings
Booster Control = Means having full access to the head coach and requiring said coach to attend social functions
 
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3. What would be considered "too much control" for a typical coach?

4. Does the "normal" amount of control differ based on the caliber of the coach?

3. A)Too much control to allow coach to bring Orange Dog to practice.
B)too much control to allow a coach to say their player busted their eye falling on a helmet or they need shower or eye discipline.

4.Yes. Gruden do what's necessary. Dooley & Jones you keep embarrassing us so STOP TALKING!
 
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At Tennessee it means the academic side controls certain aspects of the program. It means that certain boosters have the head coach on speed dial.

At Alabama, Saban runs everything and answers to no boosters.
 
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"Control" means something different every time the word is used in the coaching context. Possible elements include any combination of these:

(1) Recruiting -- freedom (or lack of freedom) to waive academic minimums, "whole person" considerations (e.g., disciplinary issues), decide unilaterally versus in a negotiation with the dean of admissions. How autonomous is the coach in his ability to invite athletes to become students at the university?

(2) Scholarships -- freedom (or lack thereof) to decide on scholarship awards; often goes hand in hand with recruiting, but is a separate issue.

(3) Scheduling -- the team calendar can be multi-faceted: not just games, but practices, spring and fall camps, community activities, team building trips, etc. The academic calendar has some big hard pillars built into it, like move-in and move-out windows, term end exam periods, graduation dates, proms, campus activities, and so on. Melding those two calendars together can be a real challenge. So how much autonomy does the football coach have in deciding how his schedule will interact with the larger one?

(4) Hiring and Firing -- most coaches want to have at least a deciding role in choosing their assistant coaches, S&C staff, medical and nutrition support staff, and so on. Some want full autonomy in these decisions, in spite of the fact that many schools have to abide by complex federal and state legal requirements in the hiring and staff management processes. Some coaches even want say over hiring and firing in parts of the AD staff, those parts most directly supporting uniquely the football program. It's a complex business, and one that begs for control issues.

(5) Finances and Resource Management -- a lot of coaches want to have nothing to do with the business side of the football program, are more than happy to let the Athletic Director's staff manage it. But some want to control parts of it, or even much of it, from the immediate (purchasing team equipment, setting and adjusting staff salaries) to the long term and strategic (improvements to stadium and team facilities, management of real estate, construction of new facilities, student athlete dorm considerations, the list is almost endless if you dive into the weeds).

(6) Academics and Academic Support -- there's this whole question of the extent to which student athletes can receive support from staff in their academics. Tutors, and aides, and secretarial staff, and so on. Some coaches like to get deeply involved in these questions, while many academic deans prefer the athletic leadership stay at arm's distance.

(7) Discipline -- players (and sometimes, assistant coaches) are going to get in trouble from time to time. How autonomous is the head coach in deciding punishment? Does he have to enforce and follow standards established for the university at large?

(8) Communications -- who deals with the media? And how much freedom do they have to interact however they wish? Will the coach's contract require him a certain number of media interactions throughout the year? And does the coach have to clear his talking points and messages with the university leadership? On and on this one can go.

(9) Outreach and Representational Duties -- the head football (and/or basketball) coach at many universities is the rock star of the faculty, often the only name known by the majority of folks who live in the state. So how much is the coach required to represent the university at social, community, fund-raising, alumni, and other events? This can be a big part of a head coach's job, measured by amount of time committed.

These are some of the bigger lumps in the oatmeal, but there's a lot more as well. The question of "control" is linked closely to the question of "responsibility," and while most coaches want as much as they can get of the first, they often do not want to be saddled with too much of the latter outside the football stadium. So it's a balancing act, and every university handles it all a bit differently.


p.s. At most universities, most of the time, boosters have little to no control over anything. They have voices, and often use them, and try to bring pressure, but control = hands on the steering wheels...and that, they pretty much never have. So all the above isn't about boosters, by and large.
 
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"Control" means something different every time the word is used in the coaching context. Possible elements include any combination of these:

(1) Recruiting -- freedom (or lack of freedom) to waive academic minimums, "whole person" considerations (e.g., disciplinary issues), decide unilaterally versus in a negotiation with the dean of admissions. How autonomous is the coach in his ability to invite athletes to become students at the university?

(2) Scholarships -- freedom (or lack thereof) to decide on scholarship awards; often goes hand in hand with recruiting, but is a separate issue.

(3) Scheduling -- the team calendar can be multi-faceted: not just games, but practices, spring and fall camps, community activities, team building trips, etc. The academic calendar has some big hard pillars built into it, like move-in and move-out windows, term end exam periods, graduation dates, proms, campus activities, and so on. Melding those two calendars together can be a real challenge. So how much autonomy does the football coach have in deciding how his schedule will interact with the larger one?

(4) Hiring and Firing -- most coaches want to have at least a deciding role in choosing their assistant coaches, S&C staff, medical and nutrition support staff, and so on. Some want full autonomy in these decisions, in spite of the fact that many schools have to abide by complex federal and state legal requirements in the hiring and staff management processes. Some coaches even want say over hiring and firing in parts of the AD staff, those parts most directly supporting uniquely the football program. It's a complex business, and one that begs for control issues.

(5) Finances and Resource Management -- a lot of coaches want to have nothing to do with the business side of the football program, are more than happy to let the Athletic Director's staff manage it. But some want to control parts of it, or even much of it, from the immediate (purchasing team equipment, setting and adjusting staff salaries) to the long term and strategic (improvements to stadium and team facilities, management of real estate, construction of new facilities, student athlete dorm considerations, the list is almost endless if you dive into the weeds).

(6) Academics and Academic Support -- there's this whole question of the extent to which student athletes can receive support from staff in their academics. Tutors, and aides, and secretarial staff, and so on. Some coaches like to get deeply involved in these questions, while many academic deans prefer the athletic leadership stay at arm's distance.

(7) Discipline -- players (and sometimes, assistant coaches) are going to get in trouble from time to time. How autonomous is the head coach in deciding punishment? Does he have to enforce and follow standards established for the university at large?

(8) Communications -- who deals with the media? And how much freedom do they have to interact however they wish? Will the coach's contract require him a certain number of media interactions throughout the year? And does the coach have to clear his talking points and messages with the university leadership? On and on this one can go.

(9) Outreach and Representational Duties -- the head football (and/or basketball) coach at many universities is the rock star of the faculty, often the only name known by the majority of folks who live in the state. So how much is the coach required to represent the university at social, community, fund-raising, alumni, and other events? This can be a big part of a head coach's job, measured by amount of time committed.

These are some of the bigger lumps in the oatmeal, but there's a lot more as well. The question of "control" is linked closely to the question of "responsibility," and while most coaches want as much as they can get of the first, they often do not want to be saddled with too much of the latter outside the football stadium. So it's a balancing act, and every university handles it all a bit differently.


p.s. At most universities, most of the time, boosters have little to no control over anything. They have voices, and often use them, and try to bring pressure, but control = hands on the steering wheels...and that, they pretty much never have. So all the above isn't about boosters, by and large.

And you know all this, ..how?
 
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And you know all this, ..how?

Well, I know it through a combination of ways.

A lot of it comes with knowing how any complex organization works. I've led a few complex organizations, and served on the staffs of others, and so understand control issues in a generic sense: operations, finances, resource management, personnel management, hiring and firing, discipline, communications, public relations, outreach, and so on. These are common themes whether you're leading a football program, a business, or a large military outfit. So direct experience, first and foremost.

Then I gained even more understanding by reading voraciously. I've been a student of leadership all my adult life. Can't tell you how many thousands upon thousands of pages of books I've read on the subject. Since leadership and management go hand in hand most of the time, you learn a lot about the latter while studying the former.

And finally, for the football-unique elements of the question, I pay attention. I'm not saying I'm the brightest fellow in VolNation, there are guys here plenty brighter than me probably, but I do try to pay attention and understand what I'm seeing. And if you spend enough time watching and listening closely, you can't help but learn a great deal about the subject you're following. And I follow Tennessee football, and college football more generally.

So that's mostly how.

Why do you ask?
 
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Purportedly according to the dictionary of urban slang, "ConTrol" is an Internet or social media troll with a consistently extreme negative outlook.
 
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"Control" means something different every time the word is used in the coaching context. Possible elements include any combination of these:

(1) Recruiting -- freedom (or lack of freedom) to waive academic minimums, "whole person" considerations (e.g., disciplinary issues), decide unilaterally versus in a negotiation with the dean of admissions. How autonomous is the coach in his ability to invite athletes to become students at the university?

(2) Scholarships -- freedom (or lack thereof) to decide on scholarship awards; often goes hand in hand with recruiting, but is a separate issue.

(3) Scheduling -- the team calendar can be multi-faceted: not just games, but practices, spring and fall camps, community activities, team building trips, etc. The academic calendar has some big hard pillars built into it, like move-in and move-out windows, term end exam periods, graduation dates, proms, campus activities, and so on. Melding those two calendars together can be a real challenge. So how much autonomy does the football coach have in deciding how his schedule will interact with the larger one?

(4) Hiring and Firing -- most coaches want to have at least a deciding role in choosing their assistant coaches, S&C staff, medical and nutrition support staff, and so on. Some want full autonomy in these decisions, in spite of the fact that many schools have to abide by complex federal and state legal requirements in the hiring and staff management processes. Some coaches even want say over hiring and firing in parts of the AD staff, those parts most directly supporting uniquely the football program. It's a complex business, and one that begs for control issues.

(5) Finances and Resource Management -- a lot of coaches want to have nothing to do with the business side of the football program, are more than happy to let the Athletic Director's staff manage it. But some want to control parts of it, or even much of it, from the immediate (purchasing team equipment, setting and adjusting staff salaries) to the long term and strategic (improvements to stadium and team facilities, management of real estate, construction of new facilities, student athlete dorm considerations, the list is almost endless if you dive into the weeds).

(6) Academics and Academic Support -- there's this whole question of the extent to which student athletes can receive support from staff in their academics. Tutors, and aides, and secretarial staff, and so on. Some coaches like to get deeply involved in these questions, while many academic deans prefer the athletic leadership stay at arm's distance.

(7) Discipline -- players (and sometimes, assistant coaches) are going to get in trouble from time to time. How autonomous is the head coach in deciding punishment? Does he have to enforce and follow standards established for the university at large?

(8) Communications -- who deals with the media? And how much freedom do they have to interact however they wish? Will the coach's contract require him a certain number of media interactions throughout the year? And does the coach have to clear his talking points and messages with the university leadership? On and on this one can go.

(9) Outreach and Representational Duties -- the head football (and/or basketball) coach at many universities is the rock star of the faculty, often the only name known by the majority of folks who live in the state. So how much is the coach required to represent the university at social, community, fund-raising, alumni, and other events? This can be a big part of a head coach's job, measured by amount of time committed.

These are some of the bigger lumps in the oatmeal, but there's a lot more as well. The question of "control" is linked closely to the question of "responsibility," and while most coaches want as much as they can get of the first, they often do not want to be saddled with too much of the latter outside the football stadium. So it's a balancing act, and every university handles it all a bit differently.


p.s. At most universities, most of the time, boosters have little to no control over anything. They have voices, and often use them, and try to bring pressure, but control = hands on the steering wheels...and that, they pretty much never have. So all the above isn't about boosters, by and large.

This is the type of answer I was looking for.. Thank you
 
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"Control" means something different every time the word is used in the coaching context. Possible elements include any combination of these:

(1) Recruiting -- freedom (or lack of freedom) to waive academic minimums, "whole person" considerations (e.g., disciplinary issues), decide unilaterally versus in a negotiation with the dean of admissions. How autonomous is the coach in his ability to invite athletes to become students at the university?

(2) Scholarships -- freedom (or lack thereof) to decide on scholarship awards; often goes hand in hand with recruiting, but is a separate issue.

(3) Scheduling -- the team calendar can be multi-faceted: not just games, but practices, spring and fall camps, community activities, team building trips, etc. The academic calendar has some big hard pillars built into it, like move-in and move-out windows, term end exam periods, graduation dates, proms, campus activities, and so on. Melding those two calendars together can be a real challenge. So how much autonomy does the football coach have in deciding how his schedule will interact with the larger one?

(4) Hiring and Firing -- most coaches want to have at least a deciding role in choosing their assistant coaches, S&C staff, medical and nutrition support staff, and so on. Some want full autonomy in these decisions, in spite of the fact that many schools have to abide by complex federal and state legal requirements in the hiring and staff management processes. Some coaches even want say over hiring and firing in parts of the AD staff, those parts most directly supporting uniquely the football program. It's a complex business, and one that begs for control issues.

(5) Finances and Resource Management -- a lot of coaches want to have nothing to do with the business side of the football program, are more than happy to let the Athletic Director's staff manage it. But some want to control parts of it, or even much of it, from the immediate (purchasing team equipment, setting and adjusting staff salaries) to the long term and strategic (improvements to stadium and team facilities, management of real estate, construction of new facilities, student athlete dorm considerations, the list is almost endless if you dive into the weeds).

(6) Academics and Academic Support -- there's this whole question of the extent to which student athletes can receive support from staff in their academics. Tutors, and aides, and secretarial staff, and so on. Some coaches like to get deeply involved in these questions, while many academic deans prefer the athletic leadership stay at arm's distance.

(7) Discipline -- players (and sometimes, assistant coaches) are going to get in trouble from time to time. How autonomous is the head coach in deciding punishment? Does he have to enforce and follow standards established for the university at large?

(8) Communications -- who deals with the media? And how much freedom do they have to interact however they wish? Will the coach's contract require him a certain number of media interactions throughout the year? And does the coach have to clear his talking points and messages with the university leadership? On and on this one can go.

(9) Outreach and Representational Duties -- the head football (and/or basketball) coach at many universities is the rock star of the faculty, often the only name known by the majority of folks who live in the state. So how much is the coach required to represent the university at social, community, fund-raising, alumni, and other events? This can be a big part of a head coach's job, measured by amount of time committed.

These are some of the bigger lumps in the oatmeal, but there's a lot more as well. The question of "control" is linked closely to the question of "responsibility," and while most coaches want as much as they can get of the first, they often do not want to be saddled with too much of the latter outside the football stadium. So it's a balancing act, and every university handles it all a bit differently.


p.s. At most universities, most of the time, boosters have little to no control over anything. They have voices, and often use them, and try to bring pressure, but control = hands on the steering wheels...and that, they pretty much never have. So all the above isn't about boosters, by and large.

Wow! Fantastic job answering this question! This is BY FAR the best explanation of the "control question" I have ever read on here.

Tip of the cap to you sir!

Also, thanks to the OP for asking the million dollar question that NEVER gets answered in detail on this site. Evidently you worded the question correctly, and I for one appreciate the hell out of it :)
 
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Wow! Fantastic job answering this question! This is BY FAR the best explanation of the "control question" I have ever read on here.

Tip of the cap to you sir!

Also, thanks to the OP for asking the million dollar question that NEVER gets answered in detail on this site. Evidently you worded the question correctly, and I for one appreciate the hell out of it :)

Just trust him, he knows!

Hehe, thanks South Dakota and Gunner. :hi:
 
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Well, I know it through a combination of ways.

A lot of it comes with knowing how any complex organization works.

were you the one that run the titty bar in Kingsport and burned it down ?:run:
















sorry just had to :hi:
 
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were you the one that run the titty bar in Kingsport and burned it down ?:run:



sorry just had to :hi:

Haha no, man, that wasn't me. But back when I was a company commander (talking decades ago), my buddy commanding a sister company and I indirectly contributed to the most infamous strip joint in Fayetteville, NC, a place called Rick's Lounge, burning down. Sort of. :)
 
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I don’t see anyone answering specifically how or why the Haslam’s, especially Jimmy, won’t give up “control”? What specific control do they have as it relates to someone like Gruden or Kelly? While the Haslams certainly are gigantic boosters, they are not micro managing in the football complex every day! Or are they? If they are, then the other super boosters need to step up to balance things out! God knows we don’t want to be the Browns!!!!
 
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Control is headed by "Chief" who's top man was "Smart" and his squeeze "99".
They were always battling "Chaos". Yep, I think that's right!
 
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"Control" means something different every time the word is used in the coaching context. Possible elements include any combination of these:

(1) Recruiting -- freedom (or lack of freedom) to waive academic minimums, "whole person" considerations (e.g., disciplinary issues), decide unilaterally versus in a negotiation with the dean of admissions. How autonomous is the coach in his ability to invite athletes to become students at the university?

(2) Scholarships -- freedom (or lack thereof) to decide on scholarship awards; often goes hand in hand with recruiting, but is a separate issue.

(3) Scheduling -- the team calendar can be multi-faceted: not just games, but practices, spring and fall camps, community activities, team building trips, etc. The academic calendar has some big hard pillars built into it, like move-in and move-out windows, term end exam periods, graduation dates, proms, campus activities, and so on. Melding those two calendars together can be a real challenge. So how much autonomy does the football coach have in deciding how his schedule will interact with the larger one?

(4) Hiring and Firing -- most coaches want to have at least a deciding role in choosing their assistant coaches, S&C staff, medical and nutrition support staff, and so on. Some want full autonomy in these decisions, in spite of the fact that many schools have to abide by complex federal and state legal requirements in the hiring and staff management processes. Some coaches even want say over hiring and firing in parts of the AD staff, those parts most directly supporting uniquely the football program. It's a complex business, and one that begs for control issues.

(5) Finances and Resource Management -- a lot of coaches want to have nothing to do with the business side of the football program, are more than happy to let the Athletic Director's staff manage it. But some want to control parts of it, or even much of it, from the immediate (purchasing team equipment, setting and adjusting staff salaries) to the long term and strategic (improvements to stadium and team facilities, management of real estate, construction of new facilities, student athlete dorm considerations, the list is almost endless if you dive into the weeds).

(6) Academics and Academic Support -- there's this whole question of the extent to which student athletes can receive support from staff in their academics. Tutors, and aides, and secretarial staff, and so on. Some coaches like to get deeply involved in these questions, while many academic deans prefer the athletic leadership stay at arm's distance.

(7) Discipline -- players (and sometimes, assistant coaches) are going to get in trouble from time to time. How autonomous is the head coach in deciding punishment? Does he have to enforce and follow standards established for the university at large?

(8) Communications -- who deals with the media? And how much freedom do they have to interact however they wish? Will the coach's contract require him a certain number of media interactions throughout the year? And does the coach have to clear his talking points and messages with the university leadership? On and on this one can go.

(9) Outreach and Representational Duties -- the head football (and/or basketball) coach at many universities is the rock star of the faculty, often the only name known by the majority of folks who live in the state. So how much is the coach required to represent the university at social, community, fund-raising, alumni, and other events? This can be a big part of a head coach's job, measured by amount of time committed.

These are some of the bigger lumps in the oatmeal, but there's a lot more as well. The question of "control" is linked closely to the question of "responsibility," and while most coaches want as much as they can get of the first, they often do not want to be saddled with too much of the latter outside the football stadium. So it's a balancing act, and every university handles it all a bit differently.


p.s. At most universities, most of the time, boosters have little to no control over anything. They have voices, and often use them, and try to bring pressure, but control = hands on the steering wheels...and that, they pretty much never have. So all the above isn't about boosters, by and large.

I guess this is all true, BUTT all you needed to say was "Sabin" :p
 

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