What do you hope to see/learn in these foreign games?

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Definitely wasn't forcing 3s or anything, we faced a good bit of zone once they realized they couldn't play man. Freddie, Santi, and Mashack didn't take more because they were facilitating a lot, especially in game 1. Game 2 is when Santi took and hit the bulk of his 6 of 9 from deep.

DJ shooting 1-8 with such low minutes was actually more concerning for me. He should be an explosive driver that doesn't settle from deep.
I think a lot of the 3pt volume from DJ (and also JJJ and Knecht) was a function of the D Lithuania played. They couldn’t stay in front of our guards and helped hard from the corner so that corner 3 was wide open all day for whoever was standing there.

You can’t really drive from that position because the guard already collapsed the defense and there’s 3-4 defenders in the paint so you taking that open corner 3 is the right play (plus it’s a hugely efficient shot usually). DJ’s % wasn’t very good, but in any high leverage game, those shots will be going to a better shooter or there will be less help on the drive.
 
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Thanks for sharing the stat lines, watched both games on YT thanks to Freak and I came away with these impressions.

1. Mashack, Awaka, Aidoo have all continued to get better with their game and will have impacts on this team's success this season.
2. Freddie, JP, & Gainey were very impressive as new additions to the rotation. Gainey and Freddie both look more than capable of finding their shots. JP rebounded well and has some great touch around the rim, further along than any big straight outta HS we've had in awhile
3. Knecht can shoot it from deep! Will be interesting to see how he holds up conditioning wise for a full grind in SEC play, he looked to be a better offensive threat than JJJ but no where near as strong of a presence on defense

Team is extremely deep with talent well into the 10th man. Would have liked to see some of Carr and Cade since it's just an exhibition game, but understand why they didn't get any minutes. ZZ can take his time and return at 100% I think between Freddie, Gainey, and Mashack I think PG will not be a huge concern early in the season. In SEC play ZZ returning will have a huge impact though.

It was announced that Carr and Cade were out

 
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After watching the second game, here are my brief thoughts...

1. Dilione gets to the rim in a hurry. Finishes with both hands, sees the court extremely well, and can shoot the ball from deep well enough. He will remind many of Cason Wallace or Jalen Hood-Schifino. Not as good a defender as Wallace (gets lost on switches a few times), but there is plenty of potential.

2. Awaka is proving why he's probably my favorite Vol in recent memory. He's everything I asked for when we courted Oscar Tshiebwe. He may not ever reach OT from a statistical standpoint, but they are eerily similar. He is going to be a big part of this team. Still has to play D without fouling.

3. Knecht can play. Shot is very pretty. He can score at all three levels and is deceptively athletic. Really gets up on his pull-up jumper in the lane. That shock won't be blocked often. Defense is a little lacking but he was pretty good on help defense.

4. Aidoo was super solid but not much competition for him either. He really outsized and outmatched the Lithuanians, but he looked sharp doing it. I'd still like to see him finishing some shots around the rim with authority instead of finessing, but he was as expected.

5. Vescovi was nearly invisible in game one, and not because he played poorly. He just didn't really assert himself, offensively. In game two, he made a concerted effort to be more of a threat and hit nearly every shot he took, if not every shot on his way to a team-high 19 points. Shot is so pure. We know what we have in him.

6. Gainey can shoot...we all sort of knew that. But he also can run the point in a pinch, as well, which was pleasantly surprising. He looked comfortable on the ball and he can also really shoot the ball. He is going to have a roll.

7. JJJ made some shots and played good D, but he was pretty reckless for a 5th year senior, especially early, with 3 TOs in the 1st quarter. He has to make better decisions and also be more judicious with his shot selection. He looked healthy, so there is that. It was just one game, so maybe it was just a case of knocking some rust off.

8. Mashack was great defensively. He made some shots on offense and has shown continued improvement. He needs to keep working on his ball-handling and outside shot, but his progression has been as expected.

9. Estrella looked like a freshman. You hope to not draw too many conclusions from this environment, but if he didn't have his way with this team, it's tough to project him making much impact on this team. I'd guess he may be a 5 -7 mpg game guy, at best based on this very limited sample unless we suffer a post injury or foul trouble.

10. DJ Jefferson flashed potential at points, but his shot isn't the greatest. A work in progress I guess. Still a lot of work to do on defense. He's a willing defender, but it hasn't quite yet clicked for him it doesn't appear from a team defense perspective.
 
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After watching the second game, here are my brief thoughts...

1. Dilione gets to the rim in a hurry. Finishes with both hands, sees the court extremely well, and can shoot the ball from deep well enough. He will remind many of Cason Wallace or Jalen Hood-Schifino. Not as good a defender as Wallace (gets lost on switches a few times), but there is plenty of potential.

2. Awaka is proving why he's probably my favorite Vol in recent memory. He's everything I asked for when we courted Oscar Tshiebwe. He may not ever reach OT from a statistical standpoint, but they are eerily similar. He is going to be a big part of this team. Still has to play D without fouling.

3. Knecht can play. Shot is very pretty. He can score at all three levels and is deceptively athletic. Really gets up on his pull-up jumper in the lane. That shock won't be blocked often. Defense is a little lacking but he was pretty good on help defense.

4. Aidoo was super solid but not much competition for him either. He really outsized and outmatched the Lithuanians, but he looked sharp doing it. I'd still like to see him finishing some shots around the rim with authority instead of finessing, but he was as expected.

5. Vescovi was nearly invisible in game one, and not because he played poorly. He just didn't really assert himself, offensively. In game two, he made a concerted effort to be more of a threat and hit nearly every shot he took, if not every shot on his way to a team-high 19 points. Shot is so pure. We know what we have in him.

6. Gainey can shoot...we all sort of knew that. But he also can run the point in a pinch, as well, which was pleasantly surprising. He looked comfortable on the ball and he can also really shoot the ball. He is going to have a roll.

7. JJJ made some shots and played good D, but he was pretty reckless for a 5th year senior, especially early, with 3 TOs in the 1st quarter. He has to make better decisions and also be more judicious with his shot selection. He looked healthy, so there is that. It was just one game, so maybe it was just a case of knocking some rust off.

8. Mashack was great defensively. He made some shots on offense and has shown continued improvement. He needs to keep working on his ball-handling and outside shot, but his progression has been as expected.

9. Estrella looked like a freshman. You hope to not draw too many conclusions from this environment, but if he didn't have his way with this team, it's tough to project him making much impact on this team. I'd guess he may be a 5 -7 mpg game guy, at best based on this very limited sample unless we suffer a post injury or foul trouble.

10. DJ Jefferson flashed potential at points, but his shot isn't the greatest. A work in progress I guess. Still a lot of work to do on defense. He's a willing defender, but it hasn't quite yet clicked for him it doesn't appear from a team defense perspective.
Concerning 10 - didn’t CRB say in a recent interview that DJ was leading the team in practice shooting over 40% from 3? If so, odd he would shoot so poorly in these scrimmages.
 
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Concerning 10 - didn’t CRB say in a recent interview that DJ was leading the team in practice shooting over 40% from 3? If so, odd he would shoot so poorly in these scrimmages.
Yeah, I'd guess it's just a different atmosphere. Pressure ramps up to perform in a game setting, and he may have been pushing. Him and Estrella being the only two scholarship players on the floor with the walkons is perhaps telling of where they currently fall on the death chart.
 
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After watching the second game, here are my brief thoughts...

9. Estrella looked like a freshman. You hope to not draw too many conclusions from this environment, but if he didn't have his way with this team, it's tough to project him making much impact on this team. I'd guess he may be a 5 -7 mpg game guy, at best based on this very limited sample unless we suffer a post injury or foul trouble.

Elaborate more here...based on his production

JP Estrella: 16mpg 5.5ppg 6.5rpg 71%FG 100%FT (1-1)

I felt like he looked a lot further along than I expected. Comparing him to what Aidoo, Awaka, or ORN even were as first year guys.
 
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Elaborate more here...based on his production

JP Estrella: 16mpg 5.5ppg 6.5rpg 71%FG 100%FT (1-1)

I felt like he looked a lot further along than I expected. Comparing him to what Aidoo, Awaka, or ORN even were as first year guys.
Well, we never got see Aidoo, Awaka, or ORN play against the Lithuanian U21 team as freshmen, either. JPE just looked unsure and unassertive in his minutes to me. Something I never really saw from Awaka as a freshman regardless of who it was against.

And again, I'll stress that it was a small sample size. Maybe just a bad day for him on those fronts. But still, that he was one of two scholarship players still playing with the walkons and did nothing of note in those final three minutes when he should have probably shined is an early indictment, as well.

I just saw no glimpses of a guy that would be relied upon for much more than cleanup duty in year one. In this environment, maybe that doesn't mean much. But to say that, we also have to admit that his 5.5 ppg and 6.5 rpg numbers probably don't either. Probably most damning was that he averaged the second fewest minutes of the 10 available scholarship players. I'm not down on him by any means. He's about where I expected him to be. I didn't have high hopes for him in year 1, and nothing he did changed that for me.
 
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Well, we never got see Aidoo, Awaka, or ORN play against the Lithuanian U21 team as freshmen, either. JPE just looked unsure and unassertive in his minutes to me. Something I never really saw from Awaka as a freshman regardless of who it was against.

And again, I'll stress that it was a small sample size. Maybe just a bad day for him on those fronts. But still, that he was one of two scholarship players still playing with the walkons and did nothing of note in those final three minutes when he should have probably shined is an early indictment, as well.

I just saw no glimpses of a guy that would be relied upon for much more than cleanup duty in year one. In this environment, maybe that doesn't mean much. But to say that, we also have to admit that his 5.5 ppg and 6.5 rpg numbers probably don't either. Probably most damning was that he averaged the second fewest minutes of the 10 available scholarship players. I'm not down on him by any means. He's about where I expected him to be. I didn't have high hopes for him in year 1, and nothing he did changed that for me.

I do agree he's not going to be a guy that grabs a ton of minutes THIS year, but I felt like from what I saw in his game he has plenty of potential to be a really good player here once he is getting more minutes.

He has good hands, keeps the ball high in the paint and uses his quickness and length well when going after rebounds.

I feel like with JJJ, Knecht and potentially DJ all likely being options at the 4 in small ball it's going to be tough for JP to see a ton of minutes. He's not in a place yet physically to earn them over Awaka or Aidoo. Still 5-7 mpg is waaaay low. I expect him to be in the 8-12 range. Even last year Awaka ended up with 10.3 mpg and he had Olivier, Uros, and Aidoo all ahead of him.
 
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It seems to avoid the offensive struggles of last season there needs to be 3 of Freddy, Vescovi, Knecht, ZZ, and Gainey on the court most times. Never more than 2 of Awaka, JJJ, DJ, and Mashack.
 
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It seems to avoid the offensive struggles of last season there needs to be 3 of Freddy, Vescovi, Knecht, ZZ, and Gainey on the court most times. Never more than 2 of Awaka, JJJ, DJ, and Mashack.

I think I’d lump JJJ in with Aidoo in the offensive neutral category. Not quite the same as the group of non-shooters.

(I’m also not totally sure DJ is a non shooter either. 2 games isn’t exactly a big sample size)
 
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1. Dilione gets to the rim in a hurry. Finishes with both hands, sees the court extremely well, and can shoot the ball from deep well enough. He will remind many of Cason Wallace or Jalen Hood-Schifino. Not as good a defender as Wallace (gets lost on switches a few times), but there is plenty of potential.
I think I posted somewhere that he reminded me of Wallace but I like the JHS comparison better actually. I’d be very happy with that level of production this year or of him, though I remember some Indiana fans giving JHS a hard time which I didn’t get
 
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I do agree he's not going to be a guy that grabs a ton of minutes THIS year, but I felt like from what I saw in his game he has plenty of potential to be a really good player here once he is getting more minutes.

He has good hands, keeps the ball high in the paint and uses his quickness and length well when going after rebounds.

I feel like with JJJ, Knecht and potentially DJ all likely being options at the 4 in small ball it's going to be tough for JP to see a ton of minutes. He's not in a place yet physically to earn them over Awaka or Aidoo. Still 5-7 mpg is waaaay low. I expect him to be in the 8-12 range. Even last year Awaka ended up with 10.3 mpg and he had Olivier, Uros, and Aidoo all ahead of him.
As to your first paragraph, I'm not really sure I said, either explicitly or implicitly, anything to the contrary. Certainly he showed potential and room for growth.

As 5-7 mpg being "waaaay low", you predict 8-12 mpg. My high end and your low end are 1 minute apart. Not sure how that is viewed as some great divide. And comparing him to Awaka...and again, this is all based on such a small sample size...Tobe played that much because he earned it. He'd have maybe played more if he had more quickly learned to defend without fouling. He was always assertive (rare for a freshman post player), never turned down open looks, and rebounded the ball like his hair was on fire. I didn't see any of that level of assertiveness in JPE, but again, very small sample size.

We will see what happens when they get back stateside. A lot can change in the next three months, so these opinions of mine are certainly not concrete.

Edit: Watching today's game, now, and he has shown a greater sense of confidence and assertiveness thru the 1st Q.
 
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I think I posted somewhere that he reminded me of Wallace but I like the JHS comparison better actually. I’d be very happy with that level of production this year or of him, though I remember some Indiana fans giving JHS a hard time which I didn’t get
Yeah, I can see that. The Wallace comp is not an exact match because Wallace was a very high-level defender and FDV isn't that, at least not yet. I think Freddie also plays offense more like JHS, but they are all similar players, IMO.
 
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Gainey has looked really good, I remember getting a lot of contention when I said he could play some PG here for us, he’s looked good doing so, so far. Gotta continue to develop obviously but as a backup to Dilione and 3rd option when ZZ returns we could definitely do worse.
 
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Gainey has looked really good, I remember getting a lot of contention when I said he could play some PG here for us, he’s looked good doing so, so far. Gotta continue to develop obviously but as a backup to Dilione and 3rd option when ZZ returns we could definitely do worse.
Agree. I'm coming around on the idea. My hesitation was the lack of involvement at USCUpstate at that position, and how he'd translate to the SEC, which to be fair, we still haven't seen, but I'm encouraged.
 
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What are 1, or 2 things max that you are looking for/hoping to see on this foreign trip? For me…

1. Can Freddie handle PG? Not sure we get a definitive answer but I think we can at least come out of this trip either feeling better or worse, I’m hoping better.

2. Can we be better offensively? Last year we were 196th in PPG @70.8ppg (that stat can be skewed by possessions), but 255th in 3pt% @32.9% isn’t and neither is 212th in 2pt% @50.3% or 220th in FT% @70.8%. Again, doubt we get a definitive answer but we can come out of this feeling optimistic or very blah.
So after 3 games, some takeaways…

1. Freddie played well in spurts, struggled in some others…definitely don’t think we have a definitive answer on how good he will be at PG, but looks like at the very least he can hold his own. Ideally ZZ comes back sooner rather than later and we have options and Freddie can play off the ball as well. We did see Gainey play quite a bit of PG and looked solid doing so, that was nice to see.

2. Don’t want to make any huge judgments off 3 games against lackluster competition, but the offense definitely appears to have some additional firepower. I posted the above numbers, here’s some numbers in completion from the trip…
-103ppg, would obviously rank #1.
-46.4%FG would rank #45.
-56.5%2ptFG would rank #8.
-35.2%3ptFG would rank #104.
-80.8%FT would rank #2
-14 made 3’s a game would rank #1.
-40 made 3’s a game would rank #1.

Not sure over the course of the season what Dillione, JJJ, DJ or Mashack look like from 3, but at the very least Santi, Knecht & Gainey appear to be absolute snipers from deep.
 
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So after 3 games, some takeaways…

1. Freddie played well in spurts, struggled in some others…definitely don’t think we have a definitive answer on how good he will be at PG, but looks like at the very least he can hold his own. Ideally ZZ comes back sooner rather than later and we have options and Freddie can play off the ball as well. We did see Gainey play quite a bit of PG and looked solid doing so, that was nice to see.

2. Don’t want to make any huge judgments off 3 games against lackluster competition, but the offense definitely appears to have some additional firepower. I posted the above numbers, here’s some numbers in completion from the trip…
-103ppg, would obviously rank #1.
-46.4%FG would rank #45.
-56.5%2ptFG would rank #8.
-35.2%3ptFG would rank #104.
-80.8%FT would rank #2
-14 made 3’s a game would rank #1.
-40 made 3’s a game would rank #1.

Not sure over the course of the season what Dillione, JJJ, DJ or Mashack look like from 3, but at the very least Santi, Knecht & Gainey appear to be absolute snipers from deep.

Seems like definitely improvements in shooting with Santi, Gainey, Knecht, and ZZ when he comes back. Defense will be stout. I'm slightly worried about JJJ how bad his shot looked. He bricked and air balled wide open 3s. Maybe as small ball 4 with less 3s he'll be unlocked. Santi playing half speed looked amazing. Can't wait to see Freddie and ZZ together on court.
 
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Seems like definitely improvements in shooting with Santi, Gainey, Knecht, and ZZ when he comes back. Defense will be stout. I'm slightly worried about JJJ how bad his shot looked. He bricked and air balled wide open 3s. Maybe as small ball 4 with less 3s he'll be unlocked. Santi playing half speed looked amazing. Can't wait to see Freddie and ZZ together on court.
Yea if JJJ is gonna shoot like that he can’t play the 3, which he almost exclusively played the 4 so maybe that’ll stick. I would prefer we not see Mashack and JJJ on the floor together either, and probably DJ either, 1 of those guys at a time. Until ZZ comes back I’m all for Dilione, Santi, Knecht & Gainey eating up all the minutes 1-3.

Dilione/Gainy
Santi/Gainey
Knecht/Gainey
JJJ/Mashack/DJ
Aidoo/Awaka/JP
 
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Yea if JJJ is gonna shoot like that he can’t play the 3, which he almost exclusively played the 4 so maybe that’ll stick. I would prefer we not see Mashack and JJJ on the floor together either, and probably DJ either, 1 of those guys at a time. Until ZZ comes back I’m all for Dilione, Santi, Knecht & Gainey eating up all the minutes 1-3.

Dilione/Gainy
Santi/Gainey
Knecht/Gainey
JJJ/Mashack/DJ
Aidoo/Awaka/JP

Not enough Mashack IMO.

I think we see Tobe and Jonas on the floor together with Mashack at the 3 quite a bit this year.
 
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Not enough Mashack IMO.

I think we see Tobe and Jonas on the floor together with Mashack at the 3 quite a bit this year.
I really hope not…we played about 90% small ball over these 3 games, and that’s without Zeigler or Carr playing (Cade is redshirting), so when those 2 return (not sure Carr plays much but was getting buzz) that’s 2 more guards, I don’t see us then playing bigger. Not like we were missing post players for this trip.
 
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I really hope not…we played about 90% small ball over these 3 games, and that’s without Zeigler or Carr playing (Cade is redshirting), so when those 2 return (not sure Carr plays much but was getting buzz) that’s 2 more guards, I don’t see us then playing bigger. Not like we were missing post players for this trip.
Yes, we are definitely all in on small ball this year. Awaka may get about 8 minutes or so at the 4 against bigger teams but otherwise it is all JJJ and maybe a bit of Knecht.
 
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Not enough Mashack IMO.

I think we see Tobe and Jonas on the floor together with Mashack at the 3 quite a bit this year.
We are so guard deep, and talented there, need to use that to our advantage. Give me…

Dilione 12/Zeigler 28
Santi 10/Dilione 13/Gainey 17
Knecht 15/Santi 20/Gainey 5
JJJ 20/Mashack 15/Knecht 5
Aidoo 20/Awaka 20


Santi 30
Zeigler 28
Dilione 25
Gainey 22
Knecht 20
JJJ 20
Aidoo 20
Awaka 20
Mashack 15
 
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